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Thanks for that 
let us know how you feel after a few months.
Perhaps rather than offering more money/bigger types to fly, they would attract more people by offering more (or more frequent) time off.
6weeks/10 days isn't the worst, but it is a long way from the best too, particularly if you lose 2 of these days coming home & then back.
Good luck anyhow, watch your FMA !
let us know how you feel after a few months.Perhaps rather than offering more money/bigger types to fly, they would attract more people by offering more (or more frequent) time off.
6weeks/10 days isn't the worst, but it is a long way from the best too, particularly if you lose 2 of these days coming home & then back.
Good luck anyhow, watch your FMA !
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Ethiopian Airlines TP/Q400 ops
Hi fellow aviators,
"Unfortunately" (cos some of you would disagree) I am not yet a jet skipper, far from that
but does anyone on here have an insight on the Dash8 ops with Ethiopian? Future plans, will it be the indoc fleet for cadets, T&C days off etc....Would indeed appreciate it
Have seen a single agency advertising for Q400 Captain positions....any direct hiring via the Airline itself? I suppose they are flying with Bombardier Captains/Contractors on the LHS right now.
Cheers,
luftwaffe
"Unfortunately" (cos some of you would disagree) I am not yet a jet skipper, far from that
but does anyone on here have an insight on the Dash8 ops with Ethiopian? Future plans, will it be the indoc fleet for cadets, T&C days off etc....Would indeed appreciate it Have seen a single agency advertising for Q400 Captain positions....any direct hiring via the Airline itself? I suppose they are flying with Bombardier Captains/Contractors on the LHS right now.
Cheers,
luftwaffe
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ETH A Reality Check!
Consider this carefully. Though everyone you will meet at Ethiopian is very nice and coordial. Once your Training begins they will use every means to disrespect, demean you and totally Break you mentally. When you get to the check ride, they will play every dirty trick they can to fail you! And you WILL FAIL the first one! Every expat going thru the training there has! No matter how good or expeienced you are. However once the Line training is done and they let you go "Solo" they'll leave you alone!
and for sure good to know beforehand, you paying attention there Turkpilot 
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Ethiopian training
Human Kargo......Im not sure what you are on about.The training at ET is quite thorough and demanding, that is for certain.When you join your can go through 20 hours of SIM, but it is all standard/normal stuff.Lots of steep turns, stalls etc, and a full-on Addis training exercise.Its a Cat C airport, so it needs to be covered properly.It is 8000 feet asl after all.Lots of terrain too.So what?.....I never found them unreasonable, but they have a right to make sure you can handle their operation safely.Surely you agree.Some cant hack it.It takes up to 3 months to get the hang of all the ins and outs of the flying there.......
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Hey Mr. Pet Sir.
As to my posting i would refer you to the Title..
"ETHIOPIAN A REALITY CHECK"
I have no agenda since i am neither employed there nor do i have any plans of going there. However i did have the opportunity to meet some foriegn ET crew in FRR and In ADD within the last few weeks. And they all tell the same dreadful story. ALL the expats captains on the 738 have failed the sim check on the 1st go. And then given and equally hard time on the line training buy younger and less experienced "line Trainers". Its supposed to be line training and introduction to their opperations but its more like Hazing.
Like wise on the 75/76 every Expat Captain has been "harrassed" to the point of total humiliation, buy yelling training Captains who make false accusations for minor differences in interpretations of SOP and aircraft system operations.
One Captain actually cancelled Takeoff clearence and returned to the gate and got off the aircraft! and when the Passengers saw this the wanted to get off too! Because of the Vorracity of the training captains remarks. Unsafe Cockpit...Your Think!!
Mind you these EXpat Captains are retired from other airlines who have flown these types for over 20 years.
So again I say, This is the "ETHIOPIAN AIRLINES reality check"!
If your are going to go there, Please read the find print and ask your self, Are you able to put up with this type of humiliation for Less pay! Or else stay away.
Cheers!
HC.
As to my posting i would refer you to the Title..
"ETHIOPIAN A REALITY CHECK"
I have no agenda since i am neither employed there nor do i have any plans of going there. However i did have the opportunity to meet some foriegn ET crew in FRR and In ADD within the last few weeks. And they all tell the same dreadful story. ALL the expats captains on the 738 have failed the sim check on the 1st go. And then given and equally hard time on the line training buy younger and less experienced "line Trainers". Its supposed to be line training and introduction to their opperations but its more like Hazing.
Like wise on the 75/76 every Expat Captain has been "harrassed" to the point of total humiliation, buy yelling training Captains who make false accusations for minor differences in interpretations of SOP and aircraft system operations.
One Captain actually cancelled Takeoff clearence and returned to the gate and got off the aircraft! and when the Passengers saw this the wanted to get off too! Because of the Vorracity of the training captains remarks. Unsafe Cockpit...Your Think!!
Mind you these EXpat Captains are retired from other airlines who have flown these types for over 20 years.
So again I say, This is the "ETHIOPIAN AIRLINES reality check"!
If your are going to go there, Please read the find print and ask your self, Are you able to put up with this type of humiliation for Less pay! Or else stay away.
Cheers!
HC.
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Ethiopian training
Human Kargo......Im not sure what you are on about.The training at ET is quite thorough and demanding, that is for certain.When you join your can go through 20 hours of SIM, but it is all standard/normal stuff.Lots of steep turns, stalls etc, and a full-on Addis training exercise.Its a Cat C airport, so it needs to be covered properly.
That paragraph says everything I need to know about you.
Yes - Addis is a reasonably busy airport by African standards and has a lot of terrain and density altitude considerations.
BUT compared to the rest of the world - ADD is small-time. If you think Addis is busy or challenging, what do you think of LHR, JNB, DXB, JFK, or HKG.....
'Enuf said.
Ethiopian training
Human Kargo......Im not sure what you are on about.The training at ET is quite thorough and demanding, that is for certain.When you join your can go through 20 hours of SIM, but it is all standard/normal stuff.Lots of steep turns, stalls etc, and a full-on Addis training exercise.Its a Cat C airport, so it needs to be covered properly.
That paragraph says everything I need to know about you.
Yes - Addis is a reasonably busy airport by African standards and has a lot of terrain and density altitude considerations.
BUT compared to the rest of the world - ADD is small-time. If you think Addis is busy or challenging, what do you think of LHR, JNB, DXB, JFK, or HKG.....
'Enuf said.
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JTrain.
It has absolutely nothing to do with how busy it is.This tells me something about YOU.....What ET put new hires through is not overly demanding or out of the ordinary in my opinion.I have never heard the negative feedback regarding training that you refer to from my friends who are working in Ethiopia right now.Quite the opposite in fact.The pass rate is comparable to other employers.If it were my airplane, I would want to ensure my pilots can handle what they will encounter on a daily basis.Pete.
It has absolutely nothing to do with how busy it is.This tells me something about YOU.....What ET put new hires through is not overly demanding or out of the ordinary in my opinion.I have never heard the negative feedback regarding training that you refer to from my friends who are working in Ethiopia right now.Quite the opposite in fact.The pass rate is comparable to other employers.If it were my airplane, I would want to ensure my pilots can handle what they will encounter on a daily basis.Pete.
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Training and Interview
I second the training question. I have an interview there next weeka and would like any insight into the process.
As far as money, I have been told $6500 per month base, $1800 per diem, $1250 housing, and overtime of about $80 per hour over 80 hours.
They are hiring Dash Cpt according to my agency and are in such a dire need that they are asking them to start immediately after the interview.
I am going for 737 cpt and am hoping for the same.... Need some moolah.
As far as money, I have been told $6500 per month base, $1800 per diem, $1250 housing, and overtime of about $80 per hour over 80 hours.
They are hiring Dash Cpt according to my agency and are in such a dire need that they are asking them to start immediately after the interview.
I am going for 737 cpt and am hoping for the same.... Need some moolah.
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@Human Cargo, I totally agree with you. I am not employed by Ethiopian but have lived in Ethiopia for several years. Ethiopians have this belief that they are better than everyone else in this world and that everything that they do, no matter how silly, is better. They are the most hard headed people I have ever met
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HA HA!
Funny thing though, Two International airlines from East Africa who train at the same facility, with the same Instructors, have the same Controlled Flight in to Terrain accident on the same Type in the Same Weather conditions!!
Makes you wonder sometimes about the true quality of their "instructors"! and what is being taught.
Let them continue to delude themselves about their greatness. Let Boeing continue to provide them with technology that mask's poor & marginal piloting skills and systems understanding. We''ll continue to see alot more of this nonsense!
As for them taking expats, in my opinion this just a cover for them (Ethiopian Airlines) to sidestep culpability for the most recent accident in Beirut.
All you expat going there will subject yourselves to pilot training nightmares never before seen in all your career!
Good Luck All!
Be Happy!
YD
Human Cargo great post!!!!!!!!!!
Funny thing though, Two International airlines from East Africa who train at the same facility, with the same Instructors, have the same Controlled Flight in to Terrain accident on the same Type in the Same Weather conditions!!
Makes you wonder sometimes about the true quality of their "instructors"! and what is being taught.
Let them continue to delude themselves about their greatness. Let Boeing continue to provide them with technology that mask's poor & marginal piloting skills and systems understanding. We''ll continue to see alot more of this nonsense!
As for them taking expats, in my opinion this just a cover for them (Ethiopian Airlines) to sidestep culpability for the most recent accident in Beirut.
All you expat going there will subject yourselves to pilot training nightmares never before seen in all your career!
Good Luck All!
Be Happy!
YD
Human Cargo great post!!!!!!!!!!
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Hey There Mr. li'l pete.
Seems like you work for these big headed fellows in Addis. So your defense is understandable. However from looking at your other statements, i think you might be on CRACK!
!
Be happy
YD
Seems like you work for these big headed fellows in Addis. So your defense is understandable. However from looking at your other statements, i think you might be on CRACK!
!Be happy
YD
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Hey There Mr. li'l pete.
Seems like you work for these big headed fellows in Addis. So your defense is understandable. However from looking at your other statements, i think you might be on CRACK!!
Be happy
YD
Seems like you work for these big headed fellows in Addis. So your defense is understandable. However from looking at your other statements, i think you might be on CRACK!!
Be happy
YD
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Well said "GoForIt".......and now back to the thread and the last question:
anyone know
"How long is the training from start to finish" For TypeRated Expat pilots
Anyone?
Flex
anyone know
"How long is the training from start to finish" For TypeRated Expat pilots
Anyone?
Flex