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B737 Type schools
Higher Power or Boeing Training.
Don't waste your time in Florida, all your getting is paper. Not solid, competent training. I have been to all the Florida schools and walked out of a few of them in disgust.
If you want to really learn the 737, it will take more than a computer ground school course and Six sim periods. Compare the course syllabus and Instructor accreditation, not the $$$ amount.
Remember, when you get a job on the 737, you have to prove you can fly it in a myriad of abnormal conditions. Not just a clean pattern.
Don't waste your time in Florida, all your getting is paper. Not solid, competent training. I have been to all the Florida schools and walked out of a few of them in disgust.
If you want to really learn the 737, it will take more than a computer ground school course and Six sim periods. Compare the course syllabus and Instructor accreditation, not the $$$ amount.
Remember, when you get a job on the 737, you have to prove you can fly it in a myriad of abnormal conditions. Not just a clean pattern.
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CAUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As Manuvar said, be very careful about committing yourself to a self-sponsored TR if you are an expat coming to Nigeria.
I have a friend(Nigerian) who got his 737 TR from HPA last year and is having problems endorsing the rating on his Nig license cos NCAA is really giving him issues. They wont endorse it cos he did it in a Level C sim and hasnt done base checks in the actual aircraft. Dont think you'll have a problem endorsing a TR on your Nig license if its already endorsed on your foreign license.
I also HEARD there's an embargo on hiring expat F/Os who dont have at least 1000 hrs on type.
So whatever you do, or are about to do, check with the NCAA before hand if your intention is to come to Nig.
I have a friend(Nigerian) who got his 737 TR from HPA last year and is having problems endorsing the rating on his Nig license cos NCAA is really giving him issues. They wont endorse it cos he did it in a Level C sim and hasnt done base checks in the actual aircraft. Dont think you'll have a problem endorsing a TR on your Nig license if its already endorsed on your foreign license.
I also HEARD there's an embargo on hiring expat F/Os who dont have at least 1000 hrs on type.
So whatever you do, or are about to do, check with the NCAA before hand if your intention is to come to Nig.
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Uh Oh! I jus recently committed to a TR with PAn Am on the 733EFIS which starts in a week. Its on a C sim. As with most things Nigerian I expected there to be "minor" difficulties with the endorsement but now you say he's been waiting since last yr Im getting pretty worried. Is his case prevalent with those doing the TR on C sims?
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Few Questions
1) Are you local or expat?
2) Have you got an FAA license
3) If yes, will the rating be endorsed on your FAA license
If you answer yes to all the above questions, I'd ASSUME you shouldn't have any problems.
From what I know, if you bring a Foreign License for conversion, then you'll get all the ratings held on your Foreign License.
Best of Luck
2) Have you got an FAA license
3) If yes, will the rating be endorsed on your FAA license
If you answer yes to all the above questions, I'd ASSUME you shouldn't have any problems.
From what I know, if you bring a Foreign License for conversion, then you'll get all the ratings held on your Foreign License.
Best of Luck
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1.If you did your training in a Level C sim and it was not endorsed on your Foreign License, NCAA requires that you do a base check,which means you have to get employed or pay to do it,then NCAA shall issue the license.
2,If you did your training in a level D simulator,and it was not endorsed on your foreign License, NCAA can issue you a License with the endorsement PROVIDED you did your training in an NCAA APPROVED Level D sim.
3. IF you have your rating endorsed on your foreign License,All you need to do is go to NCAA,write Air Law, and get the the Nigerian License with the rating endorsed.
4.For those in the USA,ensure you do the PIC training as NDB17 mentioned earlier.SIC will not get you any NCAA endorsement.But make sure it is in a Level D Sim so that you dont have to do the base check.
PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG
2,If you did your training in a level D simulator,and it was not endorsed on your foreign License, NCAA can issue you a License with the endorsement PROVIDED you did your training in an NCAA APPROVED Level D sim.
3. IF you have your rating endorsed on your foreign License,All you need to do is go to NCAA,write Air Law, and get the the Nigerian License with the rating endorsed.
4.For those in the USA,ensure you do the PIC training as NDB17 mentioned earlier.SIC will not get you any NCAA endorsement.But make sure it is in a Level D Sim so that you dont have to do the base check.
PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG
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I am a local. I just completed my CFI and CFII(FAA). The TR is going to be endorsed on my FAA license but like I said its on a level C and I know illl have to get flight time in the actual AC and then send my logbook back to the FSDO to get the restriction removed. I can't seem to find any affordable level D 733 sims anywhere. I was told by PAN AM that some VN/NEA pilots did their tr. On the C sims and didn't have any problems back home. Is there any truth to this?
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I have applied to VN 2 weeks ago and I still have no reply from them.
I have JAA ATPL (frozen), 1100TT and 800 on B737.
If anyone has applied and got responese or has any info regarding the recruitment process please PM me or post it here.
Blue skies to all of you
I have JAA ATPL (frozen), 1100TT and 800 on B737.
If anyone has applied and got responese or has any info regarding the recruitment process please PM me or post it here.
Blue skies to all of you
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I was told by PAN AM that some VN/NEA pilots did their tr. On the C sims and didn't have any problems back home. Is there any truth to this?
KLOGIC, there's a lotta logic in what you said and cant fault any of your points.
You are on point.
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Foriegn Licence Conversion
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I think there is a bit of confusion about TR in the FAA sense and JAA. FAA type ratings have specific requirements and for PIC one of the requirements is for the applicant to have 2000 TT or more on either Jets or Turbo Props (FAR 61).In the case of a 737 type,whether it is done on a level C in the case of the classics( I have not seen any level D classic Sim yet are there any?) or level D in the case of the 600/700/800/BBJ the endorsement on the licence after passing the FAA check/evaluation is sinply 737 type rated.For those with less than the requirement for PIC they do what is called Special operations experience SOE and then need some actual time of supervised flying in the 737 aircraft before any limitation can be removed.Most of the times 25 hours of base training.I did a 737 300 type rating on level C and differences in the 800 level D sim but i only have 737 type rating on my ATP Airman Certificate issued by the FAA.I am not an authority on JAA procedures but i think the NCAA will help pilots who seek to work in Nigeria by coming up with clear cut policy on Foreign License conversions ie FAA/JAR/ICAO so as to avoid confusion and speculations.Finally i think any one seeking clarity must contact the NCAA.
I think there is a bit of confusion about TR in the FAA sense and JAA. FAA type ratings have specific requirements and for PIC one of the requirements is for the applicant to have 2000 TT or more on either Jets or Turbo Props (FAR 61).In the case of a 737 type,whether it is done on a level C in the case of the classics( I have not seen any level D classic Sim yet are there any?) or level D in the case of the 600/700/800/BBJ the endorsement on the licence after passing the FAA check/evaluation is sinply 737 type rated.For those with less than the requirement for PIC they do what is called Special operations experience SOE and then need some actual time of supervised flying in the 737 aircraft before any limitation can be removed.Most of the times 25 hours of base training.I did a 737 300 type rating on level C and differences in the 800 level D sim but i only have 737 type rating on my ATP Airman Certificate issued by the FAA.I am not an authority on JAA procedures but i think the NCAA will help pilots who seek to work in Nigeria by coming up with clear cut policy on Foreign License conversions ie FAA/JAR/ICAO so as to avoid confusion and speculations.Finally i think any one seeking clarity must contact the NCAA.
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I agree with you perfectly and also advice that for those getting an FAA rating please let your Type rating Center know about the NCAA requirements so that the training can be tailored to enable easy validation.
I agree with you perfectly and also advice that for those getting an FAA rating please let your Type rating Center know about the NCAA requirements so that the training can be tailored to enable easy validation.
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I've decided to just stick with the 733 on the C sim, I would love to do the NG but I dont want to tie myself to Arik just yet. As for Pan Am now they want me to do a jet transition. Did any of you fresh from a light twin do the TR (home study option)? How did you cope?
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TR Home Study
Hi,
I'm a light twin pilot currently doing my home study for a 737-300 TR. The home study is not bad at all. Systems are not nearly as complicated as an airbus. Supposed to do my sim training in a couple of weeks. That's when the rubber meets the road, I'm more worried about the actual flying of the aircraft over the ground school portion which is very maneagable with my experience: 1500 tt, 600 me, no turban.
I'm a light twin pilot currently doing my home study for a 737-300 TR. The home study is not bad at all. Systems are not nearly as complicated as an airbus. Supposed to do my sim training in a couple of weeks. That's when the rubber meets the road, I'm more worried about the actual flying of the aircraft over the ground school portion which is very maneagable with my experience: 1500 tt, 600 me, no turban.
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EM20, I have just a shade under 250 and and about 50 ME time. Im not worried about the systems as well, just the flying part and the people at Pan Am say Ill probably require extra Sim time soo I'm about to commit to the Jet Transition which will be on the 732 as its the cheapest sim they have. Where are you doing your TR
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Menatti,
I repeat dont do your sim in the -200. NCAA will only issue you a -200 type. Guys for the last time, if you're doing any training in the US, get the type on your FAA. Do not do an SIC. Do the PIC with SOE restriction if you have less than ATP mins.
The guys who had problems did not have an FAA license, so all they did was bring their training records back. That was why NCAA required them to do the base training.
If you're going to fly classics, do your training on the -300. They will request for your training records to see what type of sim you did your training in. That is how they determine whether to issue you an NG, classic or Geriatric type.
If you're confident in your abilities disregard the "jet transition". Guys have done the type in the minimum time specified.
Everything is predicated on how sharp you are on your instrument skills.
Fly Safe
I repeat dont do your sim in the -200. NCAA will only issue you a -200 type. Guys for the last time, if you're doing any training in the US, get the type on your FAA. Do not do an SIC. Do the PIC with SOE restriction if you have less than ATP mins.
The guys who had problems did not have an FAA license, so all they did was bring their training records back. That was why NCAA required them to do the base training.
If you're going to fly classics, do your training on the -300. They will request for your training records to see what type of sim you did your training in. That is how they determine whether to issue you an NG, classic or Geriatric type.
If you're confident in your abilities disregard the "jet transition". Guys have done the type in the minimum time specified.
Everything is predicated on how sharp you are on your instrument skills.
Fly Safe
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NDB,
Im just doing the jet transition on the 200 but the TR on the 300 EFIS. Im doing the PIC as well, as for the instrument bit, its probably the best part of my flying, Im more worried about making good landings. You said something about the base training not being required if I've gt FAA CPL, Pls elaborate for us simple minded folks
Im just doing the jet transition on the 200 but the TR on the 300 EFIS. Im doing the PIC as well, as for the instrument bit, its probably the best part of my flying, Im more worried about making good landings. You said something about the base training not being required if I've gt FAA CPL, Pls elaborate for us simple minded folks
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menatti...
Hey menatti.. Where are you ? I am in dallas and in the same situation as you right now. I am in contact with Pan am.......... They told me the jet transition is optional.
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I did my 733 type at Aeroservice.. cheap.. but the worst training I've ever seen.. Horrible equipment.. broken half of the time, and instructors that just want to come in and get out. They don't care if you learn or not. Management likes that, so they can charge you for extra sim rides when you aren't ready..
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Menatti,
Due to ICAO conventions, NCAA honors FAA licenses. They will issue either a validation or an endorsement to you. I take it you dont have a Nigerian license.
If you're nigerian with your FAA license and a B737 type, all you need to do is take the airlaw exam, and you will be issued a nigerian license with a B737 type on it.
For non-nigerians, they wil be issued a validation based on their FAA to fly nigerian registered aircrafts. After a year they can apply and get a nigerian license.
Base training arises if you dont have the type on any license but have done the training at an NCAA approved institution. The problem is getting an aircraft to do the base training, plus airlines aren't too keen.
Concerning landings, you will get a hang of it as you go. We all have give some pax backaches at some point.
em20,
Be well prepared. A very good preparation prevents poor performance. I have no doubts you will do fine. Some of my colleagues here have done training with aeroservices and they had no problems.
Due to ICAO conventions, NCAA honors FAA licenses. They will issue either a validation or an endorsement to you. I take it you dont have a Nigerian license.
If you're nigerian with your FAA license and a B737 type, all you need to do is take the airlaw exam, and you will be issued a nigerian license with a B737 type on it.
For non-nigerians, they wil be issued a validation based on their FAA to fly nigerian registered aircrafts. After a year they can apply and get a nigerian license.
Base training arises if you dont have the type on any license but have done the training at an NCAA approved institution. The problem is getting an aircraft to do the base training, plus airlines aren't too keen.
Concerning landings, you will get a hang of it as you go. We all have give some pax backaches at some point.
em20,
Be well prepared. A very good preparation prevents poor performance. I have no doubts you will do fine. Some of my colleagues here have done training with aeroservices and they had no problems.