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Old 18th Dec 2009, 16:21
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There's a lovely blog exclusively devoted to Arik Air, its latest developments and strategies.

Http://arikmetics.wordpress.com

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Is there something wrong with my arikmetic?

I keep adding them up but I cannot get to 31 aircraft in Arik's fleet. I mean right here right now and not an imaginary flight of three 787s, say. Can someone enlighten me?
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Old 18th Dec 2009, 21:41
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2 x A340-500 (wet leased from HiFly)
4 x 737-800
9 x 737-900
2 x 737-300
4 x CRJ-900
3 x DH8-400
3 x DH8-300 (wet leased from Denim)
2 x F50 (wet leased from Denim)
2 x Hawker 800 (used for charters)

Total: 31

Orders: 777, 787, 737-800/900, CRJ-1000
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I think I saw a Q400 at Downsview a few months ago with that livery being tested, pre-delivery. Maybe they are counting that too.
 
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2 Q400's now and both operating services.



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2 x A340-500 (wet leased from HiFly)
4 x 737-800
9 x 737-900
2 x 737-300
4 x CRJ-900
3 x DH8-400
3 x DH8-300 (wet leased from Denim)
2 x F50 (wet leased from Denim)
2 x Hawker 800 (used for charters)

Total: 31

Orders: 777, 787, 737-800/900, CRJ-1000
All this information can be found in public places, including the Arik web site.

Arik Air - About Us

The specifications of various aircraft in our operating fleet as of November 12th, 2009 are given below.


Aircraft: Airbus A340-542
Quantity: 2

Aircraft: Boeing 737-800NG
Quantity: 2

Aircraft: Boeing 737-700NG
Quantity: 6

Aircraft: Boeing 737-700
Quantity: 3

Aircraft: Boeing 737-300
Quantity: 2

Aircraft: Bombardier CRJ-900
Quantity: 4

Aircraft: Bombardier Dash 8 Q400
Quantity: 2

Aircraft: Bombardier Dash 8 Q300
(Denim Air Wet Lease)
Quantity: 3

Aircraft: Fokker 50
(Denim Air Wet Lease)
Quantity: 3

Aircraft: Hawker HS 125-800XP
Quantity: 2


The 340's are owned by Arik, not HiFly. Therefore, in the strict sense of the words, they are not "wet leased". The Arik web site (quoted above) does not call them wet leased. How about "dry lease"?

There are no 737-900's. None.

There are currently only 2 Dash-8-Q400's

The web site claims 3 Fokkers.

I don't think there is even three, let alone 4 B737-800's, but I could be wrong. Again, Arik website says 2.
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This is it (31 aircraft in operation):

Aircraft: Airbus A340-542
Quantity: 2

Aircraft: Boeing 737-800NG
Quantity: 3 (5N-MJN, -MJO and -MJP)

Aircraft: Boeing 737-700NG
Quantity: 6

Aircraft: Boeing 737-700
Quantity: 3

Aircraft: Boeing 737-300
Quantity: 2 (5N-MJB probably still stored at Southend for engine change)

Aircraft: Bombardier CRJ-900
Quantity: 4

Aircraft: Bombardier Dash 8 Q400
Quantity: 2

Aircraft: Bombardier Dash 8 Q300
(Denim Air Wet Lease)
Quantity: 3

Aircraft: Fokker 50
(Denim Air Wet Lease)
Quantity: 2 (+ 2 for Arik Niger; not sure about the numbers, changes due to maintenance)

Aircraft: Hawker HS 125-800XP
Quantity: 2

Awaiting delivery a B738 (5N-MJQ) and a Q400 (5N-BKW). It appears Arik won't get a third A345 for now.

TW, are you still on the CRJ?
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I don't think there is even three, let alone 4 B737-800's, but I could be wrong. Again, Arik website says 2.
Arik website needs updating - the latest 737-800 to arrive is 5N-MJP making a total of 3 - more to arrive.

No 900's though


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Old 20th Dec 2009, 14:38
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It appears Arik won't get a third A345 for now.

TW, are you still on the CRJ?

Perhaps Arik will get something better than a A340 ????

Yes, on CRJ.
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Old 20th Dec 2009, 15:54
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3rd A340 NTU

Tony!

Please dont keep us in the dark and do share with us the rumour! Is Arik seriously looking into other options? I doubt honestly. They dont intend to grow beyond LHR, JFK and JNB in 2010 !!

But if they wish to fly daily to JFK they will need a 3rd.
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Old 20th Dec 2009, 17:47
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Its very well run by whomever is putting it together. Perhaps a guerilla marketing campaign?

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Please dont keep us in the dark and do share with us the rumour! Is Arik seriously looking into other options?

Obviously..... I can't give out anything that is not released by the company, or the press somewhere has outed them on.

To my knowledge, I haven't read anything in the local papers or internet (where I get a lot of information on my own company) about "other options".
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Old 24th Dec 2009, 15:11
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How's JFK doing?
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The answer to ur question is yes arik is expanding next stop is now houston,texas then paris &Beijing its now official texas is next on de list starting from march and two A330's are coming in by january. Been paid for alreay. While de 777s are expected in march 2 to be exact. One will replace de airbus going to new york .
So i hope this answers ur questions
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Old 26th Dec 2009, 04:52
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Fleet mix

Tangowiskey,

Last I checked the new 777 fleet was not due till 2011. Are these leased birds?

It seems odd the A340-500, A330-200 and 777 would be operated at once. Big mix for a relatively small long haul fleet don't you think?

Unless the 777 is the new order delivered earlier than scheduled (due to a cancelled slot by another airline), it would be alright as the A340 gets replaced, but then again they only have 2 A340s!!

Lagos-Houston now would be a HUGE seller and the first nonstop route (assuming its direct to LOS and not through JFK). Not sure about Beijing or Paris, better to add Hong Kong or Shanghai in my opinion, thats where most of the traders go. In Europe, flying to a place with a bigger Nigerian population is better than Paris. I dont see any O&D traffic between LOS and CDG beyond the traditional oil&gas market which Air France serves well.
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Old 26th Dec 2009, 05:49
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I think Milan, Frankfurt and increasingly Madrid host significant Nigerian communities and would be viable routes for Arik Air (at least in 737-800). Asia-bound, Beijing makes more sense in the long run because that's where China is focusing its mega projects.
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Old 26th Dec 2009, 20:46
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While de 777s are expected in march 2 to be exact.

If Arik is to get the planes that are currently on the production line in Renton, they won't be airworthy on March 2.... to be exact ;-) Boeing says third quarter 2010, which probably will be 2011, per Arik's own public data.

Also, I think your other projections are a bit optimistic. No mention of A330's on the Arik public web site, and no press release to such. Perhaps you know of a link to such machines?

The route map is on the Arik web site, included future planned destinations. No need to guess. They want you to know!!

As to how the loads are to JFK, or any place else out of Lagos, just get your cheap aviation frequency scanner, and listen to what the crews tell ATC on the radio, every time they take off or land. Simple, cheap way to judge your competition!!! Maybe there should be one of these:

Listen to Live ATC (Air Traffic Control) Communications | LiveATC.net
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Old 27th Dec 2009, 05:19
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Tony, the route network is outdated. I believe they've done some more soul-searching network-wise and the result is not necessarily reflected on that map which is at least 1.5 yrs old. For example Abu Dhabi is not on it despite Arik approaching AUH authorities officially for a 3 slots/week.
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I'm quite familiar with the plans of Arik, as a company employee. By asking for a reference, I'm looking for a method to comment publically.

If it's not disclosed by my company, or another news source, I'm not able to comment. If you can find a public resource about A330's at Arik, I'm very certain that there may be something that I can contribute to the conversation.

Capice?
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Old 27th Dec 2009, 21:41
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Interesting that Houston is next in March '10. I was under the impression there would be no new long-haul routes opened up next year, instead expanding in Africa would continue. Would be nice to have both JFK & IAH on their routemap.

A330 on the LOS - LHR, then A340's on LOS - IAH or perhaps LOS - JFK - IAH?
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