Executive Turbine.....Ha, ha, ha

[Jangys]

Rumour has it that Executive Turbine only paid half salaries to crew and staff???

Is this true....??

[shutupanfly]

And what exactly do you find funny? Do you not like the company or the staff, do you want more people out on the street sans job............

[JetPark]

I'd like to see the look on his face when the same thing happens to him

[RICCARDOVOLANTE]

No Money

Salary?????
pilot should work for FREEE.
You see what happen ??? when pilots are stubbing other pilots company will take advantage of it and will do everything they want to do.

Learn the lesson and let all the airplane on the GROUND.
R.V.

[three eighty]

If this is true then a fail to see the "ha ha ha" in it!

[suitcaseman]

I would imagine the "Ha, ha, ha" was nothing more than a sneer at a company that claims to be "Executive" but short changes its staff. Dont take everything so personally.

Still, if its true, I would rather have half pay and a job than no job and no pay at all.

[RICCARDOVOLANTE]

suitcaseman

suitcaseman .
Negative , negative negative
Better let sit on the ground all the airplanes and you will see if does not pay any longer.
If we are not playing the hard way we are going back the old days where pilots were flying for free.
DON to accept it
Lets be together on this
ground all the airplane now.
R.V.

[KRONOS]

E.T.

Stand together , what a joke, want some cheese with that whine....E.T. and Quilla screwed the market by paying crew exorbitant salaries, guess what, it was and still is unsastainable, where are those company's now... flush

RV why dont you ground the whole contract fleet with a strike? and see what happens, there are a lot of North American crew that will fly for a lot less than S.A. crew, and be more than happy with half pay than no pay at all, ask the guys let go by Solenta, E.T., Fedair, Avstar, Norse, the list goes on, aviation is where it was 10 years ago, stop complaining, do what you are paid to do, dont break the rules, fly safe, F.I.F.O.there really is a lot of crew, probably better than you , looking for work...

[RICCARDOVOLANTE]

KRONOS

KRONOS
You stop doing that you hope in someone will give you the job for less or you are one those guys that wanna pilots work for free.
Norse air was not pay more that waiter working at the table in North America .
All those company you mentioned they shut down for the mismamangement and not for the miserable salary given to pilots .
You wanna just doing all for you nothing for others.
Sure it is nice to have y6our boss travel with the latest mercedes benz model in while I do not have no money for my family because there are people like you that do not have Balls.
Who screw us are pilots or manager like you that threat a pilots like slave .
What do you think that just a beer will do for a guy flying in RDC ? e??Malaria , revolutions and so on?/ Sure I will go fly and I will kiss the hand of the boss.
Now the market is screwed because of all those bunch of no sens of Human resorsuse , assistant deputy manager , deputy manager and so on... For each pilot there are from three to five managers over him doing nothing.....
people steal money from the company live S.A. go to Europe and say that was fault the pilots if they went bankruptcy , it is an old story everybody knows that.
Read the latest article about the incident that occurred in Colgan air , even the FAA says that what pilots people can you excpect when companies pays the own pilots 15000USD per year???
Are we going crazy here 15000 USD is what you get working as waiter and even more.
That is enough
lets back to change all the situations here. Lest cut the balls and ground all the airplane of all those miserable that abuse our category NOW lets ground now before is to late .
Lets make all those smarts pilots that wanna fly for less ,not to be able to find a job.
Guys put in your mind that UN/ONG and Customers pay a lot of money for the pilots for you guys out there and who is getting in their pocket are those bunch of CEO) , Managers a and so on ..
look their life style .. guys weak up look at their life style??and now compare to yours .. see what a big difference there is ... that t because they do not wanna reduce their profit at any cost ... so no spare parts.. no money for pilots and so on....
Lets ground the airplanes NOW.
R.V.

[suitcaseman]

Riccardovolante

Easy to say but I'm guessing you have a job. When you have been unemployed for 6 months, your cash reserves are gone and you dont know how you are going to pay the rent or feed your family your attitude may be a little different. It's all about supply and demand and unfortunately as pilots its not our time now.

And by the way, I was not being negative at all, quite the opposite. I dont know the company or the people but just trying to justify the original thread statement as Jangys took a lot of flack.

[RICCARDOVOLANTE]

suitcaseman

suitcaseman,
My last job was the 15 July of 2008, now we are in august 2009.
I guess it is more tha 1 year I do not work.
At the mean time I refused several jobs included Captain on the B737 in Cong RD because they were paying 3500USD per month and did not want to destroy the market.
I do not have any cash in my pocket and God knows how I am living now, thanks to my wife job and full of debts.
So please don't come to me and telling me about no jobs and short on cash if you do not want that I write a country song about this my life in this year.
Still that is the only way to go because pretty soon you will not have not even that half if you are still alive to get it.When company are short the first two thinks goes away are spare parts and pilot salary.
Just remeber.
Today two new incident in Idonesia read about it and see if we do not ground it we crash it.
R.V.

[suitcaseman]

Would you please send me the address of the company in Cong RD so I can post my CV.










(Not really, just winding you up)

What you going to do when your wife loses her job?

[RICCARDOVOLANTE]

suitcaseman

Here you are ,be my guest

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"What you going to do when your wife loses her job? "
I have accepting before lower pay ,not half, but lower pay and in two cases I didn't even get those money still.
One was in Senegal on the Be200 called "SenegalAir "
and the other one was in Uganda as D/O on the B737 was "Skyjet Uganda"
I lost money and I never got my salary .
Is not that worse?
And you know why? because pilots that believed that to them would never happen they accepted the job without the monthly salary due ,well now not even them got paid .
Now how about I do not get my salary at all? worse .How about I crash and I cannot flying any longer?There is not insurance coverage in most those companies and in any case the fault will be always mine,the pilot fault.
In this case what my family would?
No
Now we have the chance to change the situation because now is the right time.
Many company are expanding and new company are opening up.
Do not believe to what the news and your boss says just see how many young pilots are getting with 200 hours job on the Airbus ,B737 and so on ..
But you see if we still have incompetent manager that jump from one company to another one like that one that was CEO of Skyeurope ,two days after one of his airplane was impounded on the runway for insolvency , He quit and got a job as CEO to Air arabia.
I can tell you several story about that where manager who failed to manage properly their company they just quit and get a job with another company.
It is time to speak up .Time to let sit on the ground those airplane, time to burn the ground of those pilots who wanna work for a beer or less, pilots that fly junk airplane .
Lets finish with that
Lest REFUSE now.

[Jangys]

And what exactly do you find funny? Do you not like the company or the staff, do you want more people out on the street sans job............

Nope, I really like the staff, and do not want to see people out on the streets without jobs...but I dont think ET Management shares the same....

The funny thing is, why do they call themselves Executive??

jangys = small penis if he finds another company's strife a laughing matter.

shame, i have to pity people like him.

With a name like "kleintjie" you just gave it away...want to compare??

[Fuzzy Lager]

RV, you need to spend quality time with a shrink

You really are a piece of work. You are out of work so you encourage everyone else to join you in the unemployment queue. When you were working, your posts were all about grounding aeroplanes too. So you ground the aeroplane, the company has no income, you lose your job and then you are surprised. Man, you must be thick.

People like you do so much damage to aviation, its image and the morale of the crew that you work with. Why don't you go be a waiter in north America? Betting you may not get great tips with your approach to life.


If it is true about the ET salaries then sterkte guys, I hope it works out for you.

[B200Drvr]

KRONOS,
I cant speak for ET, as I never worked for them, but I can speak for Qwila, as I did work for them. First of all Bruce SOLD Qwila, it didn't close down.
Furthermore, they didn't ruin the contract industry by paying higher wages, they paid a fair wage for the work being done, it was most of the other companies that were/ are short changing their crews.
Qwila had good contracts like the ICRC which paid more, and that was in turn filtered down to the crews, but not in some astronomical figure that your post suggests. I also worked for an American outfit doing the same contracts, and was paid almost double the SA salaries!!!
How strange.

[RICCARDOVOLANTE]

Fuzzy Lager

So you ground the aeroplane, the company has no income, you lose your job and then you are surprised

Job ???? what job???


Look at the dictionary at the word JOB and see what It says .
Maybe it says :
Job is work with an underpaid salary?
Job is work without remuneration?
I do not think so.
So what job I am loosing if I do not get paid?

About the moral of the pilots so it is my fault and not fault of the companies that do not pays their salary to their employers and make them fly with junk airplane .
Sure It is my fault because I say that Pilots got the power to change the situation to make them better and not to be treated like an alcoholics stupid.
I met so many pilots with so low self consideration due to people like you and the case is that most of them are .....not any longer among us .
No I tell you we should ground the airplanes .
No money no job.
There will be always company that will open up do not worry.
Lets be together on this No Money , No fly.
R.V.

[RICCARDOVOLANTE]

B200Drvr

I was making 400 USD per day , plus food or in the hotel or in any restaurant in Lumb. Free accommodation,plus free internet, plus cell phone ,plus free international and local call, 24 per day car with a driver, free medical Insurance, plus all the travel to and back home in business class.
Flying the Beech 1900 D.
R.V.

[Carrier]

Job is an acronym for “Just Over Broke!”

The wealthy usually became so by being entrepreneurs. You are unlikely to get rich by having a job.
However, in the 21st century there is a reasonable minimum expectation that any job will enable a person to survive, as in pay for accommodation, food, clothing, medical treatment, car, the occasional vacation, etc. It should not be necessary for the job holder to have to deplete savings and thereby subsidise the employer. Regrettably that situation exists far too often in aviation.
Bottom-feeding companies that exploit employees do not deserve any respect. We should all work to improve the situation and weed out such operators. Apart from employee treatment, another reason is safety. If they are prepared to be cheap and cut corners with employees then it is a fair and reasonable assumption that they are likely to do the same in other areas, such as maintenance, operating procedures, overloading, etc.

[PhoenixDC]

RV

Ah….. so refreshing to once more read the RV ranting and raving again.
If you have been making so much loot in the past, you should have sufficient funds to keep you going for the next ten years. But from your postings, I would imagine that your holding down a flight job for more than a week would have been a long time before any management would have been glad to see the last of you.
I, on the other hand have flown most of the contracts that exist on the African continent and currently fly both prop and jet on a free lance basis for a reasonable remuneration.
Behave in a reasonable manner, and you too could be turning down requests to fly.
The contract companies out there need to turn a profit, but hey, if you continue to throw your toys out of the cot like a spoilt brat, and ground the aircraft on a regular basis, they will go bust and no longer employ.
My advice to you is that if you cannot beat them, join them and put your money where your mouth is. Buy an aircraft, operate it and employ crew, then you can implement all your ideas to your hearts content.
Please keep your post short and to the point, and most of all lucid.