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This refers to my posting from yesterday that I subsequently deleted until I had some more info.
Can anyone from 1Time shed any light on the JNBCPT leg yesterday (flight nbr unknown) that apparently suffered an engine failure en-route to Cape Town? Speaking to somebody who is with some pax on the flight, there was supposedly a loud bang (isn't there always?) followed by the captain announcing "prepare for a crash landing". I find it hard to believe that he used the word "crash", but that is what these pax heard (regardless of what was said). The crew then briefed the pax for an emergency landing at CPT screaming instructions, yelling "brace" etc. This freaked out a number of pax who then got on their mobiles to say their farewells, and others just prayed! Allegedly, on landing the a/c only just missed some cars (I presume this was the N2) and landed heavily. Photos were taken of the engine that failed as their was fluid pouring out, but I haven't seen these.
I use allegedly, apparently and supposedly alot because I wasn't there, but this story is starting to do the rounds and I'm sure it won't be long before it appears in the press.
Anybody else heard anything?
Can anyone from 1Time shed any light on the JNBCPT leg yesterday (flight nbr unknown) that apparently suffered an engine failure en-route to Cape Town? Speaking to somebody who is with some pax on the flight, there was supposedly a loud bang (isn't there always?) followed by the captain announcing "prepare for a crash landing". I find it hard to believe that he used the word "crash", but that is what these pax heard (regardless of what was said). The crew then briefed the pax for an emergency landing at CPT screaming instructions, yelling "brace" etc. This freaked out a number of pax who then got on their mobiles to say their farewells, and others just prayed! Allegedly, on landing the a/c only just missed some cars (I presume this was the N2) and landed heavily. Photos were taken of the engine that failed as their was fluid pouring out, but I haven't seen these.
I use allegedly, apparently and supposedly alot because I wasn't there, but this story is starting to do the rounds and I'm sure it won't be long before it appears in the press.
Anybody else heard anything?
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I'm also under the impression that something happened on Tuesday with a 1Time flight from JNB to GRJ, at first the flight showed on ACSA's website to have departed on time (10mins after scheduled), but eventualy was 2 and half hours late? Was this a turn-back? 1Time is always very quite about incidents like these, but I guess rightfully also, because most of the time these things get totally blown out of proportion.
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The incident was definitely 1Time.
Another scare on 1time flight
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JOHANNESBURG - 1Time airline has had its second scare in as many days, with another plane running into engine trouble 20 minutes into its flight to Cape Town.
Yesterday The Citizen reported flight 1t823 was forced to return to Johannesburg on July 14, when the right-hand engine gave out 10 minutes into the flight. The following day, passengers on flight 1t103 to Cape Town braced for impact, when that plane’s left-side engine also gave issues.
“While we were making our de-scent, we were informed we needed to make our way back to OR Tambo,” Renee Matthews said. The situation devolved “from quite serious to very serious”, with the flight crew drilling emergency procedures.
Matthews said the crew told the passengers to “remove all sharp things from around us, pack our bags away and remove high heels”. The captain announced the left engine had suffered a drop in oil pressure, and was “no longer working”.
The plane then went into a “quick descent”, with crew yelling at them to “brace!” for impact.
“I grabbed my two-year-old son and held him down, and sang in his ear as we made our landing,” said Matthews. She said she’d found the experience terrifying – but it scared her even more to hear about similar incidents on other 1time flights.
1time CEO Rodney James said both landings and the cabin safety procedures were “precautionary”, and passengers were never in any danger. Flight 103 turned back due to a “minor defect” caused by problems with its oil quantity indication, said James. “It’s company policy to rather turn back, than continue a flight where we have a warning indication,” he said.
South African airline maintenance and safety has been under the microscope since the Civil Aviation Authority decided to ground local operator Nationwide’s fleet in November 2007 – saying its maintenance division couldn’t guarantee passenger safety.
Analysts believe the liberalisation of the skies and the 2010 Fifa World Cup will exponentially increase the burden on SA’s existing aviation infrastructure, consequently leading to an increased safety risk.
Johannesburg International is expecting, and preparing for, an increase in passengers to 25 million by 2010. This is a jump of 12 million more people passing through the airport's gates since 2004.
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March 2008: Passengers on 1t219 to Durban hear rattling and the sound of popping tyres as the plane attempts take-off, and are reportedly “shocked into complete silence as the entire plane starts shaking”. On the second take-off attempt, the engine fails completely due to a “compressor problem”.
January 2009: A 1time passenger aircraft makes an emergency landing when the left engine fails 10 minutes into the flight, emitting “three loud bangs” and “causing the plane to list”.
April 2009: Flight 1t829 makes a “precautionary” emergency landing at a South African Air Force base near Bredasdorp, when the Boeing 737 experiences a “wing flap indication warning”.
Another scare on 1time flight
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JOHANNESBURG - 1Time airline has had its second scare in as many days, with another plane running into engine trouble 20 minutes into its flight to Cape Town.
Yesterday The Citizen reported flight 1t823 was forced to return to Johannesburg on July 14, when the right-hand engine gave out 10 minutes into the flight. The following day, passengers on flight 1t103 to Cape Town braced for impact, when that plane’s left-side engine also gave issues.
“While we were making our de-scent, we were informed we needed to make our way back to OR Tambo,” Renee Matthews said. The situation devolved “from quite serious to very serious”, with the flight crew drilling emergency procedures.
Matthews said the crew told the passengers to “remove all sharp things from around us, pack our bags away and remove high heels”. The captain announced the left engine had suffered a drop in oil pressure, and was “no longer working”.
The plane then went into a “quick descent”, with crew yelling at them to “brace!” for impact.
“I grabbed my two-year-old son and held him down, and sang in his ear as we made our landing,” said Matthews. She said she’d found the experience terrifying – but it scared her even more to hear about similar incidents on other 1time flights.
1time CEO Rodney James said both landings and the cabin safety procedures were “precautionary”, and passengers were never in any danger. Flight 103 turned back due to a “minor defect” caused by problems with its oil quantity indication, said James. “It’s company policy to rather turn back, than continue a flight where we have a warning indication,” he said.
South African airline maintenance and safety has been under the microscope since the Civil Aviation Authority decided to ground local operator Nationwide’s fleet in November 2007 – saying its maintenance division couldn’t guarantee passenger safety.
Analysts believe the liberalisation of the skies and the 2010 Fifa World Cup will exponentially increase the burden on SA’s existing aviation infrastructure, consequently leading to an increased safety risk.
Johannesburg International is expecting, and preparing for, an increase in passengers to 25 million by 2010. This is a jump of 12 million more people passing through the airport's gates since 2004.
[email protected]
March 2008: Passengers on 1t219 to Durban hear rattling and the sound of popping tyres as the plane attempts take-off, and are reportedly “shocked into complete silence as the entire plane starts shaking”. On the second take-off attempt, the engine fails completely due to a “compressor problem”.
January 2009: A 1time passenger aircraft makes an emergency landing when the left engine fails 10 minutes into the flight, emitting “three loud bangs” and “causing the plane to list”.
April 2009: Flight 1t829 makes a “precautionary” emergency landing at a South African Air Force base near Bredasdorp, when the Boeing 737 experiences a “wing flap indication warning”.
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Any offers as to what the engine gave out? free fumes maybe ?
Interesting on the de-scent - is that what they do to the a/c prior to the descent?
Interesting on the de-scent - is that what they do to the a/c prior to the descent?
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Passengers on previous flights also stated that they had seen flames coming out the back of the engine on a 1time flight.....DUH.....hang on I think that person had eaten a real Durban Bean Bunny the night before........
When is it never blown out of proportion???
When is it never blown out of proportion???
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All this 'brace! brace!' sh1t from the hosties is what gives the pax such a fright. Sure, you have to tell the crew to prepare for an 'emergency' landing but there's no degree to the emergency in their minds. And the cabin crew LOVE to play up to it too. So to most of them its either a normal landing or a full-on Class 1 Grade A Pink Ribbon Force 12 World War 4 catastrophe. And it scares the hell out of the pax. I don't think it's neccessary for the cabin to continue screaming 'brace &%*# brace' at the top of their lungs until the thing comes to a stop one way or another - it stuns the pax into wide-eyed bunny syndrome. And then when they get off they feel as if they've survived a catastrophe and report such to the media. Meanwhile it was a standard precautionary landing after a precautionary shutdown due to instrument failure.
I think the hosties should be trained in categories of emergency landing.
Cat I being a precautionary return due to a tech fault or loss of an engine.
Cat II being a precautionary return due to unsafe gear warning, not extended etc where it might prang a bit on the airfield
Cat III being an ok-we're-definitely-gonna-prang thing due, say, to having an excess of air in your fuel tanks and no runway close by.
In all categories they need to clear the cabin, but for Cat I the pax don't need to be told and thus alarmed.
For Cat II the pax need to be briefed, the pink card thing done and pax told TWICE to BRACE before touchdown but downplay the event 'cos 9/10 these things work out ok.
Cat III they can go beserk and foam at the mouth, they're probably gonna be in the paper anyway.
I think the hosties should be trained in categories of emergency landing.
Cat I being a precautionary return due to a tech fault or loss of an engine.
Cat II being a precautionary return due to unsafe gear warning, not extended etc where it might prang a bit on the airfield
Cat III being an ok-we're-definitely-gonna-prang thing due, say, to having an excess of air in your fuel tanks and no runway close by.
In all categories they need to clear the cabin, but for Cat I the pax don't need to be told and thus alarmed.
For Cat II the pax need to be briefed, the pink card thing done and pax told TWICE to BRACE before touchdown but downplay the event 'cos 9/10 these things work out ok.
Cat III they can go beserk and foam at the mouth, they're probably gonna be in the paper anyway.
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You talk about this 'brace,brace' stuff. We had a little incident on a 727 years ago, nothing serious, but an 'emergency' landing was needed. We were doing fine, until at 200ft, every single pax (+-150) started screaming "BRACE.BRACE, KEEP YOUR HEADS DOWN" in time with the cabin crews chant. At that late stage of the game we flippen sh@t ourselves, missed the altitude callouts........well that was my excuse for the landing anyway.
