Saa crew caught at LHR again
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CL, SCM
At no time did I mention any specific group as being the culprits. I'm well aware of past indiscretions. If the flight deck crew are stroking the cat they will get nailed, allowing CC to carry on to their hotac. The reverse also applies but it will serve to isolate the group involved instead of inconveniencing all concerned. A further step may be to prohibit crew luggage on board unless it's tagged with name and details on a non removable tag in indelible ink. No doubt this has already been mooted but as we've seen, the security firm they employ to monitor these things in house are just not up to the job.
At no time did I mention any specific group as being the culprits. I'm well aware of past indiscretions. If the flight deck crew are stroking the cat they will get nailed, allowing CC to carry on to their hotac. The reverse also applies but it will serve to isolate the group involved instead of inconveniencing all concerned. A further step may be to prohibit crew luggage on board unless it's tagged with name and details on a non removable tag in indelible ink. No doubt this has already been mooted but as we've seen, the security firm they employ to monitor these things in house are just not up to the job.
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Humpme,
Separating the FD and CC transport is not because of some superiority complex we hold. It would just mean less innocent parties spending the night in the clink. The FD has also had an indiscretion or two so this could even help both sides.
I can assure the cabin crew would have no problem using their own transport. No dropping the pilots off first. No more waiting for the cockpit outside their hotel etc.
Separating the FD and CC transport is not because of some superiority complex we hold. It would just mean less innocent parties spending the night in the clink. The FD has also had an indiscretion or two so this could even help both sides.
I can assure the cabin crew would have no problem using their own transport. No dropping the pilots off first. No more waiting for the cockpit outside their hotel etc.
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Champagne yes I have noticed how some people get very jumpy when you mention Nigerians, however how strange that the first suspect cabin crew member arrested just happend to be married to a .......yes you guessed it a Nigerian, how shocking imagine that, what are the chances
Humpme you seem like a very balanced individule with a chip on both shoulders, its not a case of the pilots feeling superior to anyone else, although that has been the standard cabin crew gripe from the begining of flying....and i would site that to jelousy because basically the pilots have more, get more for what they do and well they should, just like a doctor gets more for what he does versus the nurse, there is nothing stopping any cabin crew member going out and getting a licence. However back to the point its not so unreasonable for the cockpit crew to request different transport in London, it happens at dozens of other destinations and flight deck and cabin crew stay at different hotels in many places including London, the reason for this is that the pilots and the cabin crew have different unions, they negotiate separatley for stuff like hotels etc, now why is it so unreasonable for the pilots to ask there union to try and protect them from incidents like this where 2 nights in a UK jail seem to be the norm just because you happen to be sitting on the same bus as some drug peddler.
Its not unreasonable, maybe you would have a different view on this if you found yourself bending over and touching your toes whilst HM Customs gives you a free prostate exam just because some 23 year old cabin crew member who has been in the company for 6 months decided to follow the teachings of her government, and suppliment her income.
Humpme you seem like a very balanced individule with a chip on both shoulders, its not a case of the pilots feeling superior to anyone else, although that has been the standard cabin crew gripe from the begining of flying....and i would site that to jelousy because basically the pilots have more, get more for what they do and well they should, just like a doctor gets more for what he does versus the nurse, there is nothing stopping any cabin crew member going out and getting a licence. However back to the point its not so unreasonable for the cockpit crew to request different transport in London, it happens at dozens of other destinations and flight deck and cabin crew stay at different hotels in many places including London, the reason for this is that the pilots and the cabin crew have different unions, they negotiate separatley for stuff like hotels etc, now why is it so unreasonable for the pilots to ask there union to try and protect them from incidents like this where 2 nights in a UK jail seem to be the norm just because you happen to be sitting on the same bus as some drug peddler.
Its not unreasonable, maybe you would have a different view on this if you found yourself bending over and touching your toes whilst HM Customs gives you a free prostate exam just because some 23 year old cabin crew member who has been in the company for 6 months decided to follow the teachings of her government, and suppliment her income.
p myself if an SAA hostie says she's just going to powder her nose. Do SAA do coke on domestic flights?
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drug dealing is only lucrative,in nations packed with users!
CL fyi drug usage is almost non existent in Nigeria,and we dont have the death sentence.
Drug dealers thrive where there's a market!
kill the market,and drug dealers are no more!
CL fyi drug usage is almost non existent in Nigeria,and we dont have the death sentence.
Drug dealers thrive where there's a market!
kill the market,and drug dealers are no more!
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Go sjampers go- let the punishment fit the crime - all this bull sh*t of "my human rights" when a perpetrator is cornered must be changed.
Where is the "responcibilities" that comes with the "rights" and what happened to consequences of your actions?
ps- more of a beer lover myself?
Where is the "responcibilities" that comes with the "rights" and what happened to consequences of your actions?
ps- more of a beer lover myself?
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It seems that passengers luggage is handled differently to that of the crew. Why not treat them all the same - i.e. make everyone pick up their luggage before going through customs? This would prevent the entire crew being subjected to this nightmare. My sympathy to the innocent members of the crew - and I hope the guilty party / parties get jail time in SA. I suspect that UK jails aren't much of a deterrent.
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Peer group pressure exists everywhere,even in Saudi/Malaysia e.tc even Nigeria,but selling drugs is still not lucrative,as there is no market even with the peer pressure!
Check the stats,most Nigerian drug "users" are not in Nigeria.They have are mostly in places were there is a market for usage.
Once more kill the market,you kill the dealers
Peer group pressure exists everywhere,even in Saudi/Malaysia e.tc even Nigeria,but selling drugs is still not lucrative,as there is no market even with the peer pressure!
Check the stats,most Nigerian drug "users" are not in Nigeria.They have are mostly in places were there is a market for usage.
Once more kill the market,you kill the dealers
Paxing All Over The World
Once more kill the market,you kill the dealer
I am NOT advocating full decrimilatisation but the way to kill the market takes about 50 years and involves education of children from day one and their expectation that they will see the quality of life staying level or imprioving. In the UK, many have seen their quality of life deteriorate since the 1980s (aka Thatcher) and now that the Banks have stuffed the world economy, a lot more will want to find their way out of the problem via drugs. The market will grow.
The only way for SAA to fix this is to carry out their own rules and monitor their own procedures and standards. The govt wants 2010 to be a success, so there is a chance that they will fix this. Then the problem will return in 2011 ...
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With regard to the screening of SAA personnel, the police have already admitted that the drug syndicates have members working in many companies across different operations at the airport. Drugs can be taken airside by other syndicate members, be they in catering, cleaning or anywhere else, and passed down the line to the airline crew member in the syndicate.
The screening of other airside workers still focusses almost exclusively on metal objects. Until all people with access to the airside (including personnel working for other airlines) are properly screened in much the same way SAA crew flying on international flights are now, the syndicates are going to find a way to move drugs.
On the topic of drug dealers, it amazes me that some contributors vigorously defend the drug dealers, saying get rid of the users. This is a scary thought. Does it mean you think all crime is a legitimate business as long as there are people stupid enough to be victims?????????
The screening of other airside workers still focusses almost exclusively on metal objects. Until all people with access to the airside (including personnel working for other airlines) are properly screened in much the same way SAA crew flying on international flights are now, the syndicates are going to find a way to move drugs.
On the topic of drug dealers, it amazes me that some contributors vigorously defend the drug dealers, saying get rid of the users. This is a scary thought. Does it mean you think all crime is a legitimate business as long as there are people stupid enough to be victims?????????
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Carte Blanch last night
Did anyone see Carte Blanch last night...was quite interesting! There were some anonymous speakers on the show, including some SAA technical guys who said that the cabin crew are just the tip of the iceberg - its the technical guys that are the real smugglers.
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Champagne Lover & fluffyfan,
Yes, i would imagine that the technical staff, cabin crew and pilots of that airplane were Nigerians??? Or rather, maybe they're all related in some way to Nigerians??
Get over yourselves boys!! There are Nigerian dealers and so are there South African dealers/ smugglers as well!!
If anything is ever mentioned about drugs, it is always assumed that it just has to be Nigerians. I am not saying that Nigerians do not push these substances, but merely pointing out the fact that South Africans do too.
As a personal opinion, i do not care about the nationality of the dealers/smugglers/users, i think they are all equally guilty as charged of the same offence!
The manufacture, distribution, transport, delivery and use of banned items and substances should all carry an equal arm of justice!
There would be no market if there were no users, there would be no users if there was no contraband!
Which came first? The chicken, or the egg?
South Africans are human and are equally susceptible to the temptation of quick cash! Deal with reality!
Nigerian or otherwise, i think they all belong in cages with no keys, PERIOD!
Yes, i would imagine that the technical staff, cabin crew and pilots of that airplane were Nigerians??? Or rather, maybe they're all related in some way to Nigerians??
Get over yourselves boys!! There are Nigerian dealers and so are there South African dealers/ smugglers as well!!
If anything is ever mentioned about drugs, it is always assumed that it just has to be Nigerians. I am not saying that Nigerians do not push these substances, but merely pointing out the fact that South Africans do too.
As a personal opinion, i do not care about the nationality of the dealers/smugglers/users, i think they are all equally guilty as charged of the same offence!
The manufacture, distribution, transport, delivery and use of banned items and substances should all carry an equal arm of justice!
There would be no market if there were no users, there would be no users if there was no contraband!
Which came first? The chicken, or the egg?
South Africans are human and are equally susceptible to the temptation of quick cash! Deal with reality!
Nigerian or otherwise, i think they all belong in cages with no keys, PERIOD!
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VIVA
VIVA, our SAA crew, VIVA. Let us send this evil WHITE powder that ENSLAVES us back to the IMPERIAL PIGS where it belongs. This is only the beginning as MILKY BARS are next!!!!.
