another plane crash
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another plane crash
I believe another aerrie - this time a Caravan - has crashed
while trying to take off at Vaalwater. Apparently six on board
but fortunately no one killed, although one person was badly burned.
The Caravan was burnt out, I hear.
while trying to take off at Vaalwater. Apparently six on board
but fortunately no one killed, although one person was badly burned.
The Caravan was burnt out, I hear.
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From: JOHANNESBERG
Caravan Crashes
Rumour has it that it was a Pretotia Based Charter company from Wonderboom.Aircraft was a cessna caravan ZS-PCM.
Do other people have any info Im hearing it crashed and burned at Madikwe today, but just with 2 crew.Crew I heard made it out okay.
Any body have more info?
Do other people have any info Im hearing it crashed and burned at Madikwe today, but just with 2 crew.Crew I heard made it out okay.
Any body have more info?
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From: Benoni
The latest gen I have is,
This was a Genair aerie, based at wonderboom and the reg is ZS-PCM. Not to sure if it was 1 or 2 crew, but 5 pax. They crashed at Madikwe. Apparently they landed and the pilot relised that it was the wrong runway and tried to do a go around. They ran off the end of the runway at 80knots.
All seem to be ok, but there is nothing left of the plane!
Thank goodness for that, planes can be replaced, but no more deaths this month please.
Guys, keep it out of the weeds, and fly safe.
This was a Genair aerie, based at wonderboom and the reg is ZS-PCM. Not to sure if it was 1 or 2 crew, but 5 pax. They crashed at Madikwe. Apparently they landed and the pilot relised that it was the wrong runway and tried to do a go around. They ran off the end of the runway at 80knots.
All seem to be ok, but there is nothing left of the plane!
Thank goodness for that, planes can be replaced, but no more deaths this month please.
Guys, keep it out of the weeds, and fly safe.
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From: Is that so important?
Aviation-Safety website...
There is very few information on the Aviation-safety website about this one.
ASN Aircraft accident 01-NOV-2008 Cessna 208B Caravan ZS-PCM
But I must say everytime I go and check what is happening in the World in relation to Aircraft accidents, I see a new entry with the small RSA Flag next to it...(before it used to be with the Namibian one..)
No need to say seeing such a tragic serie happening in your beautiful country does not impress me much!
ASN Aircraft accident 01-NOV-2008 Cessna 208B Caravan ZS-PCM
But I must say everytime I go and check what is happening in the World in relation to Aircraft accidents, I see a new entry with the small RSA Flag next to it...(before it used to be with the Namibian one..)
No need to say seeing such a tragic serie happening in your beautiful country does not impress me much!
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From: Down the airway.
Sorry for abstract argument but how can one do a go around after a landing?
After a landing, to get air born must need a take off? Therefore it is a take off run, perhaps reduced because of speed already there and lift off.
A go around is a decision not to land.
A missed approach is a decision to abandon an approach-usually instrument approach of one sort.?
After a landing, to get air born must need a take off? Therefore it is a take off run, perhaps reduced because of speed already there and lift off.
A go around is a decision not to land.
A missed approach is a decision to abandon an approach-usually instrument approach of one sort.?
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From: Turn left at the door
There is such a thing as an aborted landing whereby one decides to abandon the landing attempt and get airborne again as quickly as possible. Entirely different to the well known touch and go. Usually performed almost immediately after touchdown and does not involve any configuration changes, effectively a go around from ground level. Now, back to the topic.
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From: G P
BALKED landing, come on guys think before you post, a go around can be done before reverse thrust or power has been taken.
And then a go around after reverse is not advisable...
So you can do many things, especially in a van
FYI a 340 did it in Nairobi a few months ago and they run off the edge of the runway
And then a go around after reverse is not advisable...
So you can do many things, especially in a van
FYI a 340 did it in Nairobi a few months ago and they run off the edge of the runway
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From: Down the airway.
Well so-not to spilt the hairs because who cares-the best that can be said in this deal by all the accounts so far reported is that a professional pilot landed on the wrong runway, decided to get going (????fancy names for a ++++up) selected a flap setting other than landing flap setting, change of configuration, and then used more runway to get going again into a ditch than hard braking would have taken up. Oh Ja- if he hit the ditch at 80 mph-he must have been very slow when he opened up to 'go around' - like almost stopped!
Where is there a trace of airmanship in any of that? If that is the scene as it happens really?
Where is there a trace of airmanship in any of that? If that is the scene as it happens really?
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From: South
On good authority:
1. Wrong GPS Co-ordinates by clients?
2. Landed safely on the field at the above co-ordinates.
3. Established that had to fly to other field.
4. Restart & Normal Take-off & initial climb until some distance beyond upwind threshold.
Now speculating due to me not being there:
5. What is presumed to be a severe down draught prevented safe further climb out. OAT in excess of 30 deg C with high ground in the area and strong winds through several layers.
6. Probably Elected to do a forced/precautionary landing straight ahead.
7. Flew the plane till the touch down.
8. Post crash fire destroyed most of the aircraft forward of the firewall.
No severe injuries!
Several aircraft have been caught this way even at controlled airfields with weather services.
VG300
1. Wrong GPS Co-ordinates by clients?
2. Landed safely on the field at the above co-ordinates.
3. Established that had to fly to other field.
4. Restart & Normal Take-off & initial climb until some distance beyond upwind threshold.
Now speculating due to me not being there:
5. What is presumed to be a severe down draught prevented safe further climb out. OAT in excess of 30 deg C with high ground in the area and strong winds through several layers.
6. Probably Elected to do a forced/precautionary landing straight ahead.
7. Flew the plane till the touch down.
8. Post crash fire destroyed most of the aircraft forward of the firewall.
No severe injuries!
Several aircraft have been caught this way even at controlled airfields with weather services.
VG300
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From: kansas
VG 300...Did you mean down draft?!
Am aware first hand how this wx phenomenon can overwhelm even a seasoned pilot. I once lost almost 500 feet, thank God, i was at a safe altitude.
Fly smart!
Am aware first hand how this wx phenomenon can overwhelm even a seasoned pilot. I once lost almost 500 feet, thank God, i was at a safe altitude.
Fly smart!
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Hammer
U seem to be very good at posting your amazing insight into aircraft accidents. While i commend you on your super-natural powers of perception, clearly a gift you have inherited from Rasputin, maybe you should have been in this aircraft and you could have prevented the changing flap setting, set the power and made the decisions for the pilots too for that matter! (unless im missing your point and you actually did that by telepathy?)....... at the very least it would have saved us having to read you weak and frankly pathetic posts!
I suggest you change your own flap setting .....you talk of airmanship...good luck in your quest to find it!
U seem to be very good at posting your amazing insight into aircraft accidents. While i commend you on your super-natural powers of perception, clearly a gift you have inherited from Rasputin, maybe you should have been in this aircraft and you could have prevented the changing flap setting, set the power and made the decisions for the pilots too for that matter! (unless im missing your point and you actually did that by telepathy?)....... at the very least it would have saved us having to read you weak and frankly pathetic posts!
I suggest you change your own flap setting .....you talk of airmanship...good luck in your quest to find it!
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From: JOHANNESBERG
Im Not So Sure?
Dear Vortex gen 300,
Me has my doubts about about your account?
I have it from a very good source that the same pilot nearly wrote himself and the same aircraft off a few weeks earlier.
This same pilot did a dangerous shocking approach into a bush strip with my friend as the co jo.-NO pax on board thank goodness.
This pilot nearly killed both of them-THEREFORE i have my doubts about the airmanship of this chap-was it weather? or did he just retract his flap far to early?. OR did he do a go around? trust me none of us will ever know.Would love to chat to those pax.
I know the weather account is possible-BUT ME HAS MY DOUBTS.
Me has my doubts about about your account?
I have it from a very good source that the same pilot nearly wrote himself and the same aircraft off a few weeks earlier.
This same pilot did a dangerous shocking approach into a bush strip with my friend as the co jo.-NO pax on board thank goodness.
This pilot nearly killed both of them-THEREFORE i have my doubts about the airmanship of this chap-was it weather? or did he just retract his flap far to early?. OR did he do a go around? trust me none of us will ever know.Would love to chat to those pax.
I know the weather account is possible-BUT ME HAS MY DOUBTS.
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From: Still looking for a place
Up-hill & 20 Kt Tailwind
Apparently..(Rumour), has it that he elected to take off up-hill.......still not a problem....BUT, APPARENTLY, there was also a 20/25 kt TAILWIND.
This I was told by someone that was in the vicinity at the time....but as I said, "Apparently.....Rumour", as I was not there and no-where near the accident.
So if that was the above case, then we can deduce to why things went a bit haywire...(experience would come into that)
It would be nice to read a couple of the pax's reports...oh, and the pilot's.
Goffel.
This I was told by someone that was in the vicinity at the time....but as I said, "Apparently.....Rumour", as I was not there and no-where near the accident.
So if that was the above case, then we can deduce to why things went a bit haywire...(experience would come into that)
It would be nice to read a couple of the pax's reports...oh, and the pilot's.
Goffel.
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From: Down the airway.
You guys do me a wrong thing here.
All that I ever said in posts was .......by all accounts so far reported... and..if that is the scene as it really happens....read my words properly before you are so rude! I only made comment on what I had read in press and made acknowledgment to that fact. This is more than some of you have done!
It is obvious no accident report out yet so this is, as one said, idle speculation, if you do not want this sort of crap chat, why start the godam thread in the beginning.
All that I ever said in posts was .......by all accounts so far reported... and..if that is the scene as it really happens....read my words properly before you are so rude! I only made comment on what I had read in press and made acknowledgment to that fact. This is more than some of you have done!
It is obvious no accident report out yet so this is, as one said, idle speculation, if you do not want this sort of crap chat, why start the godam thread in the beginning.
