Situation In Lagos
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Does anyone go to Lagos on charter in the smaller variety of executive aircraft. I am looking for info on handling, accommodation, costs and CORRUPTION, aircraft parking, clearances and all the reat of the C
P that goes with flying into that hell hole.
You can PM me asw well
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P that goes with flying into that hell hole. You can PM me asw well
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Sorry can't help you with your query. I'm just asking a question. Have you ever been to Lagos?
I suspect not, or else you wouldn't be asking a question here. What is the basis of your last statement or are you just quoting the oft repeated crap. I'm not challenging the statement, just wanted to know if you had any personal experiences to support what you say.
Sorry can't help you with your query. I'm just asking a question. Have you ever been to Lagos?
I suspect not, or else you wouldn't be asking a question here. What is the basis of your last statement or are you just quoting the oft repeated crap. I'm not challenging the statement, just wanted to know if you had any personal experiences to support what you say.
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Been there but not in the last 12 months. Been ripped off by the airport authorities in Lagos and Abuja and have stayed a few nights unfortunately. So yes i can make those statements
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Since you're familiar with "the crap that goes on in that hell hole", why do you need any add'l info? Im sure you're well experienced to handle yourself in the "hell hole".
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Thanks for your reply CJ. It's just that most people I've met say the same things about Lagos/Nigeria without ever having set foot there. Those who have been, tend to tell their stories of woe as current news when they were there last 10-20 years ago.
Can't help you with your specific requests as I only pass through as pax and can say that the airport is a lot different from the late 80s/early 90's when every official in uniform asked for "dash". In the last 3 years, no one has so much as demanded anything from me and I pass through at least 3 times a month.
Can't help you with your specific requests as I only pass through as pax and can say that the airport is a lot different from the late 80s/early 90's when every official in uniform asked for "dash". In the last 3 years, no one has so much as demanded anything from me and I pass through at least 3 times a month.
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CJ750,
with an attitude like that do you honestly expect to get information,from here,i suggest you go to Hell,and get information about that hell hole,from the Devil,You FR.
Hell has handling agents... he is called Lucifier for the likes of you.
with an attitude like that do you honestly expect to get information,from here,i suggest you go to Hell,and get information about that hell hole,from the Devil,You F
R.Hell has handling agents... he is called Lucifier for the likes of you.
yea gooooooooooooooooooo hotmj and revnet!!!!! 
I have tried three times to provide a non abusive answer to the blinkered, opinionated and inaccurate post of CJ750, but each time I have had to delete it as it would probably have earned me a ban!!!
CJ750 I can vouch for what Revnet says re it isn't compulsory to 'dash'. I worked in Nigeria for 17 months from early 2005 and never had to 'dash' anyone to get things done, and my job was about getting things done. If you go to a place expecting to offer bribes you probably end up giving them, but I doubt it will have been necessary.
Nor was I attacked by anyone, ripped off by anyone, or threatened by anyone. Sure I was careful where I went (even if security didn't think so
) but no more than I would be in parts of London, Manchester, Atlanta, L.A. or any other City in the world.
Suggest your own attitude might be why people don't want to do things for you. Your posts on here portray you as a self-opinionated bigot. If that isn't an accurate portrayal in your opinion, or that of your mum, then you need to look at how you inter react with folks.
I have tried three times to provide a non abusive answer to the blinkered, opinionated and inaccurate post of CJ750, but each time I have had to delete it as it would probably have earned me a ban!!!
CJ750 I can vouch for what Revnet says re it isn't compulsory to 'dash'. I worked in Nigeria for 17 months from early 2005 and never had to 'dash' anyone to get things done, and my job was about getting things done. If you go to a place expecting to offer bribes you probably end up giving them, but I doubt it will have been necessary.
Nor was I attacked by anyone, ripped off by anyone, or threatened by anyone. Sure I was careful where I went (even if security didn't think so
) but no more than I would be in parts of London, Manchester, Atlanta, L.A. or any other City in the world.Suggest your own attitude might be why people don't want to do things for you. Your posts on here portray you as a self-opinionated bigot. If that isn't an accurate portrayal in your opinion, or that of your mum, then you need to look at how you inter react with folks.
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Revnet thanks for your input.
At least you did not go as low as ndb17 and hotmj43 and surelynot.
Guys all i asked for was current information on Lagos. I have travelled extensively all over Africa and live in Africa so if my pax are worried about their destination then i am entitled to ask for info from wherever i can get it from especially if situations change in cities and countries from day to day.
I do not appreciate the tone of the replies from the above 3 replies and have to ask the moderators if this kind of abuse is allowed.
At least you did not go as low as ndb17 and hotmj43 and surelynot.
Guys all i asked for was current information on Lagos. I have travelled extensively all over Africa and live in Africa so if my pax are worried about their destination then i am entitled to ask for info from wherever i can get it from especially if situations change in cities and countries from day to day.
I do not appreciate the tone of the replies from the above 3 replies and have to ask the moderators if this kind of abuse is allowed.
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Avsec,
the chap wants information that will supposedly help,him operate into Nigeria,and he feels he should be abusive to get the information.
He claims he has operated into Nigeria before,i suggest he do what he did before,and F F.
CJ750 SHOULD LEARN TO BE CIVIL,or is it because he is coming south !!!!
It is not surprising he keeps getting ripped off
the chap wants information that will supposedly help,him operate into Nigeria,and he feels he should be abusive to get the information.
He claims he has operated into Nigeria before,i suggest he do what he did before,and F
F.CJ750 SHOULD LEARN TO BE CIVIL,or is it because he is coming south !!!!
It is not surprising he keeps getting ripped off
CJ750 you are being amusing aren't you? Go on, please confirm you are having a bit of fun....................
That is major league back peddling!!!!!!
Your original post, that you don't find to be abusive or offensive............
Like I said, if you were less inflammatory in your phrasing then you would have received less inflammatory replies. Live by the sword and die by the sword matey...................
Hmmmm you can dish it out but get a bit precious when it is given back...... you don't play for the Aussie cricket team do you??
Guys all i asked for was current information on Lagos. I have travelled extensively all over Africa and live in Africa so if my pax are worried about their destination then i am entitled to ask for info from wherever i can get it from especially if situations change in cities and countries from day to day.
I do not appreciate the tone of the replies from the above 3 replies and have to ask the moderators if this kind of abuse is allowed
I do not appreciate the tone of the replies from the above 3 replies and have to ask the moderators if this kind of abuse is allowed
Your original post, that you don't find to be abusive or offensive............
Does anyone go to Lagos on charter in the smaller variety of executive aircraft. I am looking for info on handling, accommodation, costs and CORRUPTION, aircraft parking, clearances and all the reat of the CP that goes with flying into that hell hole.
Hmmmm you can dish it out but get a bit precious when it is given back...... you don't play for the Aussie cricket team do you??
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CJ750,
Listen to your self,i replay the tape
i am looking for CORRUPTION, and all the rest of CP that goes into flying into that Hell hole...............And you think we will not find it offensive.........realign your Brain,is that how you talk to your passengers.
Listen to your self,i replay the tape
i am looking for CORRUPTION, and all the rest of C
P that goes into flying into that Hell hole...............And you think we will not find it offensive.........realign your Brain,is that how you talk to your passengers.
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Not back pedalling at all.
That is my personal opinion/experience of Lagos. I have flown in there so i can talk from experience. Nov 2007. I do not ask for corruption but general aviation is always seen as a cash cow especially when you have VIP's on board.
you are entitled to your opinion just as i am about the situation in Lagos. When we stop we get charged different prices every time for the same things and a lot of people arrive at the steps with receipt books for a herd of other charges, again not every time. I do not mind paying but they should be consistent and not differ by a huge amount.
You complain about me calling Lagos a hell hole but judging by your comments on the other posting about the APPARENT murder of the expat station manager you say one must be careful in west africa. If it is so great why do you not live there anymore. See you live in the UK.
Not back pedalling at all.
That is my personal opinion/experience of Lagos. I have flown in there so i can talk from experience. Nov 2007. I do not ask for corruption but general aviation is always seen as a cash cow especially when you have VIP's on board.
you are entitled to your opinion just as i am about the situation in Lagos. When we stop we get charged different prices every time for the same things and a lot of people arrive at the steps with receipt books for a herd of other charges, again not every time. I do not mind paying but they should be consistent and not differ by a huge amount.
You complain about me calling Lagos a hell hole but judging by your comments on the other posting about the APPARENT murder of the expat station manager you say one must be careful in west africa. If it is so great why do you not live there anymore. See you live in the UK.
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CJ750,
You still dont get it,Well given that you are in the small charter biz,i feel
real sorry for the clients you ferry around,you have demonstrated here,how ignorant you are.
Well i dont blame you,given that,industry is highly mobile right now,hence the likes of you get jobs ferrying Vips around........if only they knew.
From what i see,you will always get ripped off be it in Europe...Asia or where ever,because you are basically,as TK as to short blanks.
Safe journey........written on the Mammy wagons that ply the streets of Nigeria i saw Once,TO BE A MAN IS NOT A ONE DAY BUSINESS.
You still dont get it,Well given that you are in the small charter biz,i feel
real sorry for the clients you ferry around,you have demonstrated here,how ignorant you are.
Well i dont blame you,given that,industry is highly mobile right now,hence the likes of you get jobs ferrying Vips around........if only they knew.
From what i see,you will always get ripped off be it in Europe...Asia or where ever,because you are basically,as T
K as to short blanks.Safe journey........written on the Mammy wagons that ply the streets of Nigeria i saw Once,TO BE A MAN IS NOT A ONE DAY BUSINESS.
Which is the best company to use for the armed escort you will need between the airport and your hotel ?
Which companies provide insurance against kidnapping ?
Which emergency medical evacuation service is good ?
This is probably the sort of information he's interested in.
Which companies provide insurance against kidnapping ?
Which emergency medical evacuation service is good ?
This is probably the sort of information he's interested in.
Ohhh selective response to try to back up a weak position by CJ750
Yet on this very thread my post #7 states
so clearly I recommend care wherever you travel to in this world................
I don't live there any more because my contract came to an end. If it hadn't I would happily be there still. I enjoyed the people I worked with immensely, and met many others who are also still friends that I stay in touch with. Sure the country has difficulties in its infrastructure, but slowly it is improving.
I come from the UK, have family there still, but I currently live and work elsewhere.
Regarding your points re the inconsistency in charges to be collected. From my experience I suspect that the inconsistency is down to some shifts being more efficient, professional, at collecting the monies genuinely owed. If you are being asked to sign numbered receipts with the Handling Agent, NCAA or FAAN logos on then it is likely that the charges are legitimate.
If you are handing money over without an official receipt then I would ask .....Why??
about the APPARENT murder of the expat station manager you say one must be careful in west africa. If it is so great why do you not live there anymore. See you live in the UK.
Nor was I attacked by anyone, ripped off by anyone, or threatened by anyone. Sure I was careful where I went (even if security didn't think so ) but no more than I would be in parts of London, Manchester, Atlanta, L.A. or any other City in the world.
I don't live there any more because my contract came to an end. If it hadn't I would happily be there still. I enjoyed the people I worked with immensely, and met many others who are also still friends that I stay in touch with. Sure the country has difficulties in its infrastructure, but slowly it is improving.
I come from the UK, have family there still, but I currently live and work elsewhere.
Regarding your points re the inconsistency in charges to be collected. From my experience I suspect that the inconsistency is down to some shifts being more efficient, professional, at collecting the monies genuinely owed. If you are being asked to sign numbered receipts with the Handling Agent, NCAA or FAAN logos on then it is likely that the charges are legitimate.
If you are handing money over without an official receipt then I would ask .....Why??
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At least I have excuse that English is not my language. I feel sorry of the passengers for hotmj. I hope his flying skill exceeds his typing and spelling. BTW the phrase for which you search is as thick as 2 short planks!
Anyway, back to the thread. He ask of corruption in Nigeria and some peoples here are offended by him! Get real peoples:
Nigeria ranks 142nd out of 163 countries in Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index for 2006. Corruption is endemic at all levels of government and society, and the president, vice president, governors, and deputy governors are constitutionally immune from civil and criminal prosecution.
Here is what Independent Advocacy Project has to say:
"Nigeria Corruption Index (NCI): The highly successful Nigeria Corruption Index was published in 2005 and 2007 with the support of the National Endowment for Democracy. NCI sought to empirically determine the degree of corruption in Nigeria and emphasize its adverse effects on democracy, development and good governance in the country. NCI 2005 and 2007 collated and analysed the responses of ordinary Nigerians on their daily encounter with corruption – for instance who they bribe, how much, and for what. In 2005, the Nigerian Police topped the league table of the most corrupt organizations with incidences of reported bribery standing at 96 per cent. Next was the Power Holding Corporation of Nigeria (formerly National Electric Power Authority, NEPA), and the Customs and Excise Department which posted 83 and 65 per cents respectively. Other corruption-ridden organizations included the Ministry of Education, while at the Immigration and Passport Office, survey respondents reported incidence rate of 63 and 56 per cents respectively. NCI 2007 also came up with a league table involving various public sector institutions in the country – the police, judiciary, education, health, public institutions providing service such as those of telecommunications, electricity, etc.
Published shortly after the elections, NCI 2007 identified the Nigerian Police Force as the most corrupt institution in the country, followed by Power Holding Company of Nigeria (PHCN), Education Ministry (particularly higher institutions and examination bodies) and the Customs and Excise Department. The Health Ministry, Justice Ministry, Nigeria Airports Authority, Federal Road Safety Corps (FRSC), Nigerian Railway Corporation and Agricultural Development Authorities are said to be the institutions least likely to collect bribe."
So it seems that Customs and Excise and Immigration which is definitely at the airport as well as police and may be encounter by CJ750 are exceptionally corrupt. Why does some of you think there is EFCC in Nigeria and many ex-politicians is now being investigated and in prison awaiting trial. This is the reality of Nigeria that too many Nigerians still don't want to admit. Luckily there are some enlighten persons which is why it ranks lower in international corruption now, but it is still shamefully high .
Anyway, back to the thread. He ask of corruption in Nigeria and some peoples here are offended by him! Get real peoples:
Nigeria ranks 142nd out of 163 countries in Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index for 2006. Corruption is endemic at all levels of government and society, and the president, vice president, governors, and deputy governors are constitutionally immune from civil and criminal prosecution.
Here is what Independent Advocacy Project has to say:
"Nigeria Corruption Index (NCI): The highly successful Nigeria Corruption Index was published in 2005 and 2007 with the support of the National Endowment for Democracy. NCI sought to empirically determine the degree of corruption in Nigeria and emphasize its adverse effects on democracy, development and good governance in the country. NCI 2005 and 2007 collated and analysed the responses of ordinary Nigerians on their daily encounter with corruption – for instance who they bribe, how much, and for what. In 2005, the Nigerian Police topped the league table of the most corrupt organizations with incidences of reported bribery standing at 96 per cent. Next was the Power Holding Corporation of Nigeria (formerly National Electric Power Authority, NEPA), and the Customs and Excise Department which posted 83 and 65 per cents respectively. Other corruption-ridden organizations included the Ministry of Education, while at the Immigration and Passport Office, survey respondents reported incidence rate of 63 and 56 per cents respectively. NCI 2007 also came up with a league table involving various public sector institutions in the country – the police, judiciary, education, health, public institutions providing service such as those of telecommunications, electricity, etc.
Published shortly after the elections, NCI 2007 identified the Nigerian Police Force as the most corrupt institution in the country, followed by Power Holding Company of Nigeria (PHCN), Education Ministry (particularly higher institutions and examination bodies) and the Customs and Excise Department. The Health Ministry, Justice Ministry, Nigeria Airports Authority, Federal Road Safety Corps (FRSC), Nigerian Railway Corporation and Agricultural Development Authorities are said to be the institutions least likely to collect bribe."
So it seems that Customs and Excise and Immigration which is definitely at the airport as well as police and may be encounter by CJ750 are exceptionally corrupt. Why does some of you think there is EFCC in Nigeria and many ex-politicians is now being investigated and in prison awaiting trial. This is the reality of Nigeria that too many Nigerians still don't want to admit. Luckily there are some enlighten persons which is why it ranks lower in international corruption now, but it is still shamefully high .