Jetstar roadshow in Jan `08?
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It's the Alzheimer's.
Can't blame Oz companies' policies on those they wish to employ, mate. Pick on the companies themselves if you want to change things.
The Ozmates I know are all a good bunch and have no problems with others, although most have worked outside Oz as expats themselves so probably see it from a different point of view. Saffers will probably have less problems assimilating into Oz society because of the similarities and are usually bright enough to adapt their culture to fit into their new home. Those who don't integrate are more than likely in a minority and should rethink their choices if they want to be happy where they are. It takes a generation or so to become completely Oz so give it time, rather than get wound up. We're all immigrants or descendants of immigrants of one kind or another.
As for Go Right, he's proof Oz is a liberal progressive society. In SA we put our plonkers in parliament where we can keep an eye on them instead of letting them loose on the street without a minder...
Can't blame Oz companies' policies on those they wish to employ, mate. Pick on the companies themselves if you want to change things.The Ozmates I know are all a good bunch and have no problems with others, although most have worked outside Oz as expats themselves so probably see it from a different point of view. Saffers will probably have less problems assimilating into Oz society because of the similarities and are usually bright enough to adapt their culture to fit into their new home. Those who don't integrate are more than likely in a minority and should rethink their choices if they want to be happy where they are. It takes a generation or so to become completely Oz so give it time, rather than get wound up. We're all immigrants or descendants of immigrants of one kind or another.
As for Go Right, he's proof Oz is a liberal progressive society. In SA we put our plonkers in parliament where we can keep an eye on them instead of letting them loose on the street without a minder...
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Fair enough comments. People are definitely unhappy with J*. I know enough people from SA to know that if jobs were being being offered to outsiders because the nationals weren't taking them then there would be a fair degree of unhappiness.
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Fair enough. We already have a number of foreign folks working for the contract operators. Plenty of Skippies and Kiwis in Maun too. Good blokes and always available for a cold chibuli....
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Jetstar scales
Did some research, but please don't quote me on this:
Allowances:
Flight Pay / Per Diem last update
Capt Overtime >75 hrs/ month. $161 p/h Narrow Body, $175 p/h Wide Body. (Aug 2006*) 27/May/06**
FO $97 p/h Narrow Body, $105 p/h Wide Body (Aug 2006*) 27/May/06**
The amounts are in Aussie dollars. I'm not sure if there's any housing allowances, pension, education, etc. maybe someone can share some light....
First Officer
Base (Narrow Body)
82,100**
Base (Wide Body)
89,000**
Top (Narrow Body)
102,000**
Top (Wide Body)
113,000*
Captain
Base (Narrow Body)
136,860**
Base (Wide Body)
147,800**
Top (Narrow Body)
171 100**
Top (Wide Body)
185 000*
Base (Narrow Body)
82,100**
Base (Wide Body)
89,000**
Top (Narrow Body)
102,000**
Top (Wide Body)
113,000*
Captain
Base (Narrow Body)
136,860**
Base (Wide Body)
147,800**
Top (Narrow Body)
171 100**
Top (Wide Body)
185 000*
Allowances:
Flight Pay / Per Diem last update
Capt Overtime >75 hrs/ month. $161 p/h Narrow Body, $175 p/h Wide Body. (Aug 2006*) 27/May/06**
FO $97 p/h Narrow Body, $105 p/h Wide Body (Aug 2006*) 27/May/06**
Notes:
1.Current Fleet:
23 Airbus A320-200 (Narrow Body) replacing a fleet of 14 B717-200. (12/Jul/05)
2. Orders:
6 Airbus A330 (Wide Body) as stop gap measure until arrival of at least 10 B787 commencing in 2008.
1.Current Fleet:
23 Airbus A320-200 (Narrow Body) replacing a fleet of 14 B717-200. (12/Jul/05)
2. Orders:
6 Airbus A330 (Wide Body) as stop gap measure until arrival of at least 10 B787 commencing in 2008.
The amounts are in Aussie dollars. I'm not sure if there's any housing allowances, pension, education, etc. maybe someone can share some light....
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Onya Wayne Krr
I think Wayne understands my point precisely. I have nothing against people wanting to immigrate to Oz, God knows my ancestors were immigrants too but having been here 3 generations now, I can see why people want to come here. Its possibly one of the best countries to live in and bring up a family. Sure it has its negative points, but which country doesnt. My only gripe is when people dont respect the country and its law of the land. There is nothing worst than sitting in a pub and hearing immigrants(no disrepect intended) who have made Oz home, complain and bitch about the place. And of course the old, back in such and such this wouldnt happen. I hate to say this but in my experience it seems the Yarpies are the worst at it, sorry but mates of mine have all noticed a similar trend..obviously where there is smoke there is fire... I saw a tshirt a while back and it read " Australia Love it or 
OFF"....
But more on this topic, it has been an unwritten rule that the Oz pilot fraternity are trying to improve their conditions which in turn will benefit those coming to work here, and therefore most of us have taken a stand to boycott these low paying and crappy conditions Airlines until they pull their fingers out and start offering us what we believe we are worth. Just have a look at what is been offered to work in the mines to people with no qualifications and i mean not even finishing high school. Think its time for Jet* and the likes to have a look at what the global airline industry is offering to keep guys.
I guess you can all understand why it is frustrating for those waiting back and trying to improve conditions, then to find people jumping at the opportunity to do the job for half the price. You Saffers are caught between a rock and a hard place, as most of you who want to come to Oz because of the Visa but then again you need to step on some toes due to the situation the airlines have put you into.
OFF"....But more on this topic, it has been an unwritten rule that the Oz pilot fraternity are trying to improve their conditions which in turn will benefit those coming to work here, and therefore most of us have taken a stand to boycott these low paying and crappy conditions Airlines until they pull their fingers out and start offering us what we believe we are worth. Just have a look at what is been offered to work in the mines to people with no qualifications and i mean not even finishing high school. Think its time for Jet* and the likes to have a look at what the global airline industry is offering to keep guys.
I guess you can all understand why it is frustrating for those waiting back and trying to improve conditions, then to find people jumping at the opportunity to do the job for half the price. You Saffers are caught between a rock and a hard place, as most of you who want to come to Oz because of the Visa but then again you need to step on some toes due to the situation the airlines have put you into.
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I can understand your frustration "go right ahead" but REALITY is when you are not welcome in your own birthcountry anymore ,where crime is rampant and a future for our children is uncertain, you would’ve done EXACTLY the same. Believe me, every Yarpie I know wouldn’t just move for the hell of it. We all love our country but circumstances beyond our control makes the choice of jumping ship mush easier. Everybody have to think about their own family and future. I agree, respect the country where you have a future or swim back where you are coming from.
I’m sure you couldn’t give a rats ass about our problems on this side of the big pond but with all due respect, the feeling is mutual.
I’m sure you couldn’t give a rats ass about our problems on this side of the big pond but with all due respect, the feeling is mutual.
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How rude of me bitching on new years eve… Happy new years to all our oz mates and see you soon. At least we all enjoy a cold frostie. Good luck and blessings for 2008!!!!!
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Mate i fully understand your situation. I have spend a fair bit of time travelling thru SA and i did love the place very much, specially Capetown, the wine region and Haut bay and so on. I could not agree with you more that you have a very beautiful country and I have always said it myself, if it wasnt for Oz, i could easily live in Capetown. Obviously if situations improve i mean.
So i do understand that family and future comes first and hence i mentioned you guys are left with not much of a choice. Perhaps i didnt explain myself properly or maybe you interpreted the post in another way.
All im saying is we are all a bit pissed off because we are trying to improve the lifestyle and conditions and when people accept conditions which are below standard, it will not improve anything. We need to airlines to realise that people will not accept there misely conditions, however as you can see in my post i did mention been stuck between a rock and a hardplace. By the way it's not just the Yarpies, we have a lot of General Aviation guys here flying B200 and other props who would kill for a jet seat, but as we are in contact with these guys directly, we can tell them to hold off a little while longer with their applications. Having said that there are still those around the country who are applying and getting in, but point been we are hoping the word is getting out slowly, so all will benefit in the future. I cant meet with you and your mates in the pub in SA to tell you this, hence i put it here so those who read it can take it in and perhaps realise why most Aussies are pissed off with what is happening.
As was mentioned before by someone else, i also have a lot of mates in GA who have more than enough experience to accept a right seat on a jet but they have decided against paying for a rating and then getting ****ty conditions.
All the best to you for 2008 and look forward to having a beer in a pub someone and discuss this in greater length
GRA
So i do understand that family and future comes first and hence i mentioned you guys are left with not much of a choice. Perhaps i didnt explain myself properly or maybe you interpreted the post in another way.
All im saying is we are all a bit pissed off because we are trying to improve the lifestyle and conditions and when people accept conditions which are below standard, it will not improve anything. We need to airlines to realise that people will not accept there misely conditions, however as you can see in my post i did mention been stuck between a rock and a hardplace. By the way it's not just the Yarpies, we have a lot of General Aviation guys here flying B200 and other props who would kill for a jet seat, but as we are in contact with these guys directly, we can tell them to hold off a little while longer with their applications. Having said that there are still those around the country who are applying and getting in, but point been we are hoping the word is getting out slowly, so all will benefit in the future. I cant meet with you and your mates in the pub in SA to tell you this, hence i put it here so those who read it can take it in and perhaps realise why most Aussies are pissed off with what is happening.
As was mentioned before by someone else, i also have a lot of mates in GA who have more than enough experience to accept a right seat on a jet but they have decided against paying for a rating and then getting ****ty conditions.
All the best to you for 2008 and look forward to having a beer in a pub someone and discuss this in greater length
GRA
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Similar type of thing here with folks paying for ratings, even paying to fly right seat in some instances, and putting up with the crap conditions that go with operators like that to the detriment of the industry as a whole. If you do a search you'll find a couple of threads addressing these issues on this forum. Like you, I don't agree with it but the rock and hard place you mentioned are a bit closer to home in these parts. It's a tricky situation trying to choose between two evils, both of which will have far reaching effects. As things stand, it could be the difference between arriving in Oz as a refugee or an immigrant as mentioned earlier in this thread.
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Hi All and best wishes for 08,
You chaps in Oz should maybe call on IFALPA to assist in this regard in a similar fashion to what happened at Cathay some years back with the ban on recruitment. Its a bit of a tall order considering that the airline industry has evolved to the point where low cost outfits are only going to pay so much and no more based on their business model and cost structure. I don't think that we as crew have too much pull here, costs are costs.
I hope that you guys sort it out domestically and none of us has to migrate out there to spoil the party. Trouble with these things as usual is the employement side of the setup is much the same as the nature of the business itself.........a free market.
Adios..
You chaps in Oz should maybe call on IFALPA to assist in this regard in a similar fashion to what happened at Cathay some years back with the ban on recruitment. Its a bit of a tall order considering that the airline industry has evolved to the point where low cost outfits are only going to pay so much and no more based on their business model and cost structure. I don't think that we as crew have too much pull here, costs are costs.
I hope that you guys sort it out domestically and none of us has to migrate out there to spoil the party. Trouble with these things as usual is the employement side of the setup is much the same as the nature of the business itself.........a free market.
Adios..
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The Jet* show is going on.
I'm going to talk to them while on lay-over in SA.
Other saffers have apointments to talk to them in MEL.
I received mail stating they will be in SA, middle & end of January. Apointments can be made any time for Melbourne.
I'm going to talk to them while on lay-over in SA.
Other saffers have apointments to talk to them in MEL.
I received mail stating they will be in SA, middle & end of January. Apointments can be made any time for Melbourne.
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Does anyone got contact details or info where they are having there Raodshow, or aint you allowed to gate-crash?(by appointment only) ! Strange this Raodshow was held such a secret,unlike the other''flavours''that passed through with there well advertised roadshows.
Not a cadet,but I would also like to hear what they got to offer !!!!!!
Not a cadet,but I would also like to hear what they got to offer !!!!!!
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From what I hear its not so much a roadshow as individual interviews. And it seems to be mainly if not solely for airbus rated guys.
I stand to be corrected but the only guys I've heard of with interviews scheduled are airbus guys.
I stand to be corrected but the only guys I've heard of with interviews scheduled are airbus guys.
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Jetstar Roadshow
Compliments of the seaso!
Seems like the rumour is actually quite true...in fact here in Josieburg at the moment. Attended yesterday(1/1/8), was quite interesting and really worth some serious consideration!
They here for about a week or so, returning end Jan.Best way is to apply thru on-line application.....or of course go and have chat to them if you in this part of Souf Efrika??? (where every housewife drives a 4 X 4 since the roads are so shocking, and 436664 stands proud! ) figure that one out??
Seems like the rumour is actually quite true...in fact here in Josieburg at the moment. Attended yesterday(1/1/8), was quite interesting and really worth some serious consideration!
They here for about a week or so, returning end Jan.Best way is to apply thru on-line application.....or of course go and have chat to them if you in this part of Souf Efrika??? (where every housewife drives a 4 X 4 since the roads are so shocking, and 436664 stands proud! ) figure that one out??
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Its not a roadshow. Had an actual interview with the ozzi boys. You must be REALLY desperate to go to OZ as the "package" is non existant. The salary is a laugh and no other benefits, a typical low fair setup. No wonder the local lads in oz is giving them the finger.
Not sure what I expected but very doubtfull if I'll be interested in going on to the next phase (if there is one). Everyone to himself.
Goodluck to all.
Not sure what I expected but very doubtfull if I'll be interested in going on to the next phase (if there is one). Everyone to himself.
Goodluck to all.
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You must be REALLY desperate to go to OZ as the "package" is non existant. The salary is a laugh and no other benefits, a typical low fair setup.