Comair salary negotiations?
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It is very disappointing, but I am not surprised. It appears that management has either misjudged the situation or they are using very bold tactics. The DFO is trying desperately to improve the situation by making changes to the fleet manager position
, quite positive though. Wait and see, be patient. 
, quite positive though. Wait and see, be patient.
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7%!
Comair is in a dilemma! The "career" drivers at Comair will be laughing all the way to the bank, as they have no desire to leave Comair, and any increase to them is a bonus. BUT, to keep the others is going to take much, much more than 7%.
Try the sandpit trick - start paying per hour as well and all the posts about flying too much will disappear!
Comair is in a dilemma! The "career" drivers at Comair will be laughing all the way to the bank, as they have no desire to leave Comair, and any increase to them is a bonus. BUT, to keep the others is going to take much, much more than 7%.
Try the sandpit trick - start paying per hour as well and all the posts about flying too much will disappear!
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That is interesting...
Considering that the October 2006 to October 2007 year-on-year CPI was already and officially pegged at 7.9%
For similar period the CPIX was pegged at 7.3% (but CPIX excludes Interest Rates on Bonds - we all know what these are...)
Considering that the October 2006 to October 2007 year-on-year CPI was already and officially pegged at 7.9%
For similar period the CPIX was pegged at 7.3% (but CPIX excludes Interest Rates on Bonds - we all know what these are...
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What did CPA ask for?
Had a mail the other evening with details from the DFO's letter to the pilots but nothing about what was asked for and what was offered.
I don't believe the 7% story, someone must be pulling our chains!
Surely both their management and the pilots (be they "career" driver or otherwise) must realise that if they want to stay operational they will have to offer pilots from the other SA airlines an incentive to go to Comair? How will they draw them?
Quick command?
New aircraft?
New types?
Working conditions?
Career progresion (longhaul)?
Remuneration?
Out of those you have to offer at least 3 to draw new pilots. Those you choose will then in turn cause a pilot to stay for a longer or shorter term.
eg. Quick command on a new aircraft with a move onto long haul will surely draw pilots. But only for the short term if remuneration and working conditions aren't right.
Comair, at this stage will have to go for the quick command, remuneration and working conditions package. That will draw and keep people for the short to medium term, then follow that up with career progresion and new types, which will solve the longer term. New aircraft will not be on the cards (I'm talking post 2006 models here).
They will be competing for drivers with ALL the local airlines since they will all be loosing pilots to the ME, Europe, Far east and soon Australia as well.
Hope it will get solved the right way...............................
Had a mail the other evening with details from the DFO's letter to the pilots but nothing about what was asked for and what was offered.
I don't believe the 7% story, someone must be pulling our chains!
Surely both their management and the pilots (be they "career" driver or otherwise) must realise that if they want to stay operational they will have to offer pilots from the other SA airlines an incentive to go to Comair? How will they draw them?
Quick command?
New aircraft?
New types?
Working conditions?
Career progresion (longhaul)?
Remuneration?
Out of those you have to offer at least 3 to draw new pilots. Those you choose will then in turn cause a pilot to stay for a longer or shorter term.
eg. Quick command on a new aircraft with a move onto long haul will surely draw pilots. But only for the short term if remuneration and working conditions aren't right.
Comair, at this stage will have to go for the quick command, remuneration and working conditions package. That will draw and keep people for the short to medium term, then follow that up with career progresion and new types, which will solve the longer term. New aircraft will not be on the cards (I'm talking post 2006 models here).
They will be competing for drivers with ALL the local airlines since they will all be loosing pilots to the ME, Europe, Far east and soon Australia as well.
Hope it will get solved the right way...............................
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Exit Plans
At 7% increase next year, comair can count on my exit plan along with the 15 odd others going for interview in Jan/Feb. Plenty of jobs out there, more pay, less work. Will see the family more even if on contract.
Hope my mates will follow.
Comair Golf day in the sandpit me thinks.
Hope my mates will follow.
Comair Golf day in the sandpit me thinks.
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Yeah, you can join the ex-Nationwiders in the Sandpit and commiserate on the useless companies back in SA! 
No wonder the word is being spread amongst Nationwide crew to give Comair a call - other companies must love Nationwide, they know that at least they don't treat their crew as badly as VB does, so there's always somebody to pillage crew from!
No wonder the word is being spread amongst Nationwide crew to give Comair a call - other companies must love Nationwide, they know that at least they don't treat their crew as badly as VB does, so there's always somebody to pillage crew from!
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LETS JUSt STRIKE
LETS STRIKE.
Christmas time is perfect. Loss of revenue should give an indication of how much the flight crew are worth. Next years profits may not be
Christmas time is perfect. Loss of revenue should give an indication of how much the flight crew are worth. Next years profits may not be
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Work to rule is a far better option.
You don't need a strike vote, you don't need to give notice...............
You simply take legal fuel and divert at the first sign of holding.
You work your roster. No off day work, no FDP extentions, no rest reductions. Combine this with no visual approaches and you'll soon have them begging for your proposal.
O, and if you have a cough or sneeze or feel tired, just phone in sick - even if you're on a lay over away from base!
Good luck!
You don't need a strike vote, you don't need to give notice...............
You simply take legal fuel and divert at the first sign of holding.
You work your roster. No off day work, no FDP extentions, no rest reductions. Combine this with no visual approaches and you'll soon have them begging for your proposal.
O, and if you have a cough or sneeze or feel tired, just phone in sick - even if you're on a lay over away from base!
Good luck!
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That implies a VERY high level of pilot co-operation, without any legal backup if you overstep the line.
Management can then also employ to rule, if you step out of line in any way you're going to get hammered..................
Management can then also employ to rule, if you step out of line in any way you're going to get hammered..................
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With the total lack of crew to keep the tattered schedule in some form of running operations, the cockpit crew could easily afford to go the "work to rule" method and there would be no repercussions, unless of course the MD's,CEO's etc are prepared to cancel hand fulls of flights and take a serious cut in their personal bonuses, then only should the pilots should watch their backs.
I think the Pilots actually have a winning hand with management, they just don't realize it, or are scared and not prepared to use this advantage, and would rather play the submissive kind, but you can only push them so far and the bubble will burst.
I think the Pilots actually have a winning hand with management, they just don't realize it, or are scared and not prepared to use this advantage, and would rather play the submissive kind, but you can only push them so far and the bubble will burst.
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Placido wrote
The letter from the FltOpsMngr basically asked for all to be professional and if necessary to apply all the rules as required ie FDP, no exceedences, fuel decisions re alternates and WX etc..and that management would ie FltOps would back up the pilots in their decision ...but...as 777Contrail put it
we have to carefull that we have our facts and figures straight....
but line-driver also has a point about the lack of crew etc etc and that their is defenitely a win situation for the pilots at hand unless a down-scalling is on the cards.....I don't think so.
Work to rule is a far better option.
You don't need a strike vote, you don't need to give notice...............
You simply take legal fuel and divert at the first sign of holding.
You work your roster. No off day work, no FDP extentions, no rest reductions. Combine this with no visual approaches and you'll soon have them begging for your proposal.
O, and if you have a cough or sneeze or feel tired, just phone in sick - even if you're on a lay over away from base!
Good luck!
You don't need a strike vote, you don't need to give notice...............
You simply take legal fuel and divert at the first sign of holding.
You work your roster. No off day work, no FDP extentions, no rest reductions. Combine this with no visual approaches and you'll soon have them begging for your proposal.
O, and if you have a cough or sneeze or feel tired, just phone in sick - even if you're on a lay over away from base!
Good luck!
Management can then also employ to rule, if you step out of line in any way you're going to get hammered..................
but line-driver also has a point about the lack of crew etc etc and that their is defenitely a win situation for the pilots at hand unless a down-scalling is on the cards.....I don't think so.