South African Black Pilots
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Bushmeat 1,
i can not thank you enough,for putting out this,it speaks for its self. I had the privelage of meeting Capt Rufus,be it that he had long retired then,and i was just coming into the profession,a most humble man,and one Nigeria and Affrica should be proud of.
We in Nigeria should not forget Capt Bob Hayes........many will remember him,i leave it at that.
Thanks once again
i can not thank you enough,for putting out this,it speaks for its self. I had the privelage of meeting Capt Rufus,be it that he had long retired then,and i was just coming into the profession,a most humble man,and one Nigeria and Affrica should be proud of.
We in Nigeria should not forget Capt Bob Hayes........many will remember him,i leave it at that.
Thanks once again
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Sounds like an extract from "Fate is the hunter".
It REALLY speaks for itself.
Main snag in aviation (as this is our field) in South Africa, is that apartheid thing. It is not frequently mentioned here but it WAS there.
If I copied BALEWA stength 5, he wants to know how was it like to be a (black) pilot in the face of apartheid, we know there were lawyers who actually practised, why not ask about pilots?
Correct me if I am doing the thinking for you balewa buddy...
It REALLY speaks for itself.
Main snag in aviation (as this is our field) in South Africa, is that apartheid thing. It is not frequently mentioned here but it WAS there.
If I copied BALEWA stength 5, he wants to know how was it like to be a (black) pilot in the face of apartheid, we know there were lawyers who actually practised, why not ask about pilots?
Correct me if I am doing the thinking for you balewa buddy...
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Race~ Skin colour! Power etc....
Under the PREVIOUS "regime", skin colour was 80% of everything. The remainder was Name, i.e. Koos Oberholzer, Language i.e. Afrikaans and thirdly but not last, Religion i.e. Dutch reformed!
Now it's 100% Skin colour!
Take a stroll through immigration, see what races are represented by these public officials. ALL black skins! Same with most other departments. Try the SACAA counters???
Black pilots....white companies. Mmmm... Where are the BLACK airline companies????? And then, I will also want to see a correct proportion of white male pilots there too!
No, their businessmen/woman are too busy creaming off easy got money through goverment deals to bother about private black empowerment. Much rather ride on the white mans toil! Strange, huh? Why is it not the other way round????? Why IS there an issue to start off with?
"Rumour" has it, that a certain 'islander' was in the goverment after Apartheid, when a foreign country offered to "help" by giving money and other aid, to start an internal airline to help the previously disadvantaged. This he graciously accepted. Then he was susequently approached by the French to "procure" their machines. With a little backhand deal from them. He agreed and accepted the backhand. Well, the original donor company advised him which of their aircraft they will be selling to SA for the airline, and he said, "No, I don't think so. I have already chosen the aircraft we will use, they will come from France."
Well, did he get a WAKE-UP call when the donor company told him that eith it's their countries aircraft or no deal! What did he think???? Had to pay the back-hand back!
Now it's 100% Skin colour!
Take a stroll through immigration, see what races are represented by these public officials. ALL black skins! Same with most other departments. Try the SACAA counters???
Black pilots....white companies. Mmmm... Where are the BLACK airline companies????? And then, I will also want to see a correct proportion of white male pilots there too!
No, their businessmen/woman are too busy creaming off easy got money through goverment deals to bother about private black empowerment. Much rather ride on the white mans toil! Strange, huh? Why is it not the other way round????? Why IS there an issue to start off with?
"Rumour" has it, that a certain 'islander' was in the goverment after Apartheid, when a foreign country offered to "help" by giving money and other aid, to start an internal airline to help the previously disadvantaged. This he graciously accepted. Then he was susequently approached by the French to "procure" their machines. With a little backhand deal from them. He agreed and accepted the backhand. Well, the original donor company advised him which of their aircraft they will be selling to SA for the airline, and he said, "No, I don't think so. I have already chosen the aircraft we will use, they will come from France."
Well, did he get a WAKE-UP call when the donor company told him that eith it's their countries aircraft or no deal! What did he think???? Had to pay the back-hand back!
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Black, White, Yellow, I don't care, as long as you can fly. However I will not stand for racisme in the flightdeck. Outside that door and away from being on duty for your airline, do what ever you please. I'll give you a short story of a company I used to work for in Europe.
Funny that always the whiteboy gets blamed for racisme. That sad story is that it isn't, nor is it only in South Africa. Most of you love to believe this, unfortunatly the truth is far from this.It happens everywhere.....
Some of you might know the person I'm about to refer to, W.B. Person in question is an American, or African American as he calls himself. Now when I first met Walter he was a Co-Pilot on the DC-8, helluva driver too I must admit! Flew with him a year he being F/O. Then Walter went for his upgrade, now Walter is a DC-8 Captain.Good on you Walt.You deserve it man!
Walter does fine and gets along with everybody. Walter loves to play Golf and most of us will play with 'ol Walt a round.Walt seems like a real nice guy, a bit strange towards his sexual orientation.But hell, the nicest guys you can imagine! Few months get on, Walter is getting bored...
Walt starts to crack jokes.... Jokes to where ol' Walt is referring himself to as a 'Nigger'. Yeah great fun! Now Walt is trying to get it out of our mouths too. He wants us to call him a ''Nigger". Sorry Walt, no can do.
However Walt won't quit. It's getting inside the Flight Deck now as well. Cracking jokes (not sure if it was or not) about him being a Nigger. Walt ends up being a pain in the royal behind. Ol' Walt doesn't win his battle with racisme. So no problem for Walt. Walt now will be a pain in the ass with everybody he fly's with.Walt being the Captain of this old ****ty DC-8 will make every trip he goes on a nightmare.
Walt is flying up and down Africa (because he's been pulled off one of the better contracts flying around at night in Europe) and hates it. Now ol' Walt is getting more and more p*ssed, at what, I still don't know. It came to the point that ol' Walt was insulting local ground crew in Abidjan, calling them "Niggers". It even went further then that but I'll leave at that.
Ol' Walt a few months later get's involved in an arguement with one of his crewmembers in the hotel bar (real clever). Anyways, Walt got what he finally wanted and the preson in question called him a "Nigger". Now Walt makes a big scene in the bar and calls for a "Webster's" dictionary, to show his fellow collegue what that word really means.
Not much later on another layover, Ol' Walt plays golf with his crew. One of his crew members fall for his trick again and calls ol' Walt a "Nigger". Well, so Walt claims. Nobody was there to witness it.
That must have been what Walt was looking for. Just as he did in Emery he tried to sue our company. He did walk away from Emery with a few bob, but he didn't with us.With our company he left empty handed and lost respect from all of his fellow aviators.
You can be a racist all you want. But keep it out of your job, wether it's in the airline industry or KFC.
For those of you who know ol' Walt, you probably know what I mean.
Funny that always the whiteboy gets blamed for racisme. That sad story is that it isn't, nor is it only in South Africa. Most of you love to believe this, unfortunatly the truth is far from this.It happens everywhere.....
Some of you might know the person I'm about to refer to, W.B. Person in question is an American, or African American as he calls himself. Now when I first met Walter he was a Co-Pilot on the DC-8, helluva driver too I must admit! Flew with him a year he being F/O. Then Walter went for his upgrade, now Walter is a DC-8 Captain.Good on you Walt.You deserve it man!
Walter does fine and gets along with everybody. Walter loves to play Golf and most of us will play with 'ol Walt a round.Walt seems like a real nice guy, a bit strange towards his sexual orientation.But hell, the nicest guys you can imagine! Few months get on, Walter is getting bored...
Walt starts to crack jokes.... Jokes to where ol' Walt is referring himself to as a 'Nigger'. Yeah great fun! Now Walt is trying to get it out of our mouths too. He wants us to call him a ''Nigger". Sorry Walt, no can do.
However Walt won't quit. It's getting inside the Flight Deck now as well. Cracking jokes (not sure if it was or not) about him being a Nigger. Walt ends up being a pain in the royal behind. Ol' Walt doesn't win his battle with racisme. So no problem for Walt. Walt now will be a pain in the ass with everybody he fly's with.Walt being the Captain of this old ****ty DC-8 will make every trip he goes on a nightmare.
Walt is flying up and down Africa (because he's been pulled off one of the better contracts flying around at night in Europe) and hates it. Now ol' Walt is getting more and more p*ssed, at what, I still don't know. It came to the point that ol' Walt was insulting local ground crew in Abidjan, calling them "Niggers". It even went further then that but I'll leave at that.
Ol' Walt a few months later get's involved in an arguement with one of his crewmembers in the hotel bar (real clever). Anyways, Walt got what he finally wanted and the preson in question called him a "Nigger". Now Walt makes a big scene in the bar and calls for a "Webster's" dictionary, to show his fellow collegue what that word really means.
Not much later on another layover, Ol' Walt plays golf with his crew. One of his crew members fall for his trick again and calls ol' Walt a "Nigger". Well, so Walt claims. Nobody was there to witness it.
That must have been what Walt was looking for. Just as he did in Emery he tried to sue our company. He did walk away from Emery with a few bob, but he didn't with us.With our company he left empty handed and lost respect from all of his fellow aviators.
You can be a racist all you want. But keep it out of your job, wether it's in the airline industry or KFC.
For those of you who know ol' Walt, you probably know what I mean.
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