(The Department of Labour says) Kulula says Blacks are Non-swimmers
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Quick question,has any airline in any part of the world,had problem hiring blacks because they could not do some basic swimming?
if the answer is no.......................how can any one imply racism is not involved
if the answer is no.......................how can any one imply racism is not involved
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As far as I know SAX a couple of years back already terminated the services of a cabin attendant because she couldn't swim. The case went to the CCMA and she lost on the ground's of it being a legal requirement and a SAFETY issue. The commisioner was a person of colour. Obviously SAFETY sanity prevailed here.
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Point (which everyone seems to miss) still remains that they are the only ones,that are finding it difficult to find blacks that can swim.
I suuport and are well aware that its is a REGULATORY REQUIREMENT,and i think its quite silly for anyone wanting to be flight crew and not knowing how to swim.But i also believe that it is bul.........................t that,in a black populous,coastal nation like SA you cant find blacks who can swim
I suuport and are well aware that its is a REGULATORY REQUIREMENT,and i think its quite silly for anyone wanting to be flight crew and not knowing how to swim.But i also believe that it is bul.........................t that,in a black populous,coastal nation like SA you cant find blacks who can swim
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bul.........................t that,in a black populous,coastal nation like SA you cant find blacks who can swim
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From Kulula's website:
Have you heard the daft claim by our super-efficient Department of Labour that we don't hire crew who cannot swim? What a joke!
In fact we hire tons of talented, vibrant and spunky crew members all the time and many of them can't swim, but make sure that before they take to the skies, they know not only how to swim but also how to life-save and handle the unbelievably unlikely event of a water emergency.
Anyway, our crew were so miffed that some people think they can't swim that they had to take a dip in the pool this week to cool off. We thought you may want to meet some of our sexy swimmers.
Oh and if you ever though about joining the kulula cabin crew team, why not send us your CV, with a full length and head shot photo to [email protected]. We're looking for South Africans of all colours. We are pretty fussy though and qualifying criteria include not just a vibrant and bubbly personality but also a height prerequisite of between 1.58m and 1.83m (sorry, you need to be able to reach the overhead luggage compartments), a grade 12 qualification and a minimum of three years of customer service training or experience. The ability to swim is, of course, not a deal breaker!
And don't forget that you can still book a trip to your favourite swimming destination this summer on our brand new website - check it out and if you have a minute, let us know what you think.
See you in the water!
Have you heard the daft claim by our super-efficient Department of Labour that we don't hire crew who cannot swim? What a joke!
In fact we hire tons of talented, vibrant and spunky crew members all the time and many of them can't swim, but make sure that before they take to the skies, they know not only how to swim but also how to life-save and handle the unbelievably unlikely event of a water emergency.
Anyway, our crew were so miffed that some people think they can't swim that they had to take a dip in the pool this week to cool off. We thought you may want to meet some of our sexy swimmers.
Oh and if you ever though about joining the kulula cabin crew team, why not send us your CV, with a full length and head shot photo to [email protected]. We're looking for South Africans of all colours. We are pretty fussy though and qualifying criteria include not just a vibrant and bubbly personality but also a height prerequisite of between 1.58m and 1.83m (sorry, you need to be able to reach the overhead luggage compartments), a grade 12 qualification and a minimum of three years of customer service training or experience. The ability to swim is, of course, not a deal breaker!
And don't forget that you can still book a trip to your favourite swimming destination this summer on our brand new website - check it out and if you have a minute, let us know what you think.
See you in the water!
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I am in the "other" branch of aviation-- Rotorwing, and in the course of my career I have had to do HUET (Helicopter Underwater Escape Training) because part of my duties as an engineer required me to fly as crew on offshore sectors.
In this HUET training I have met men and women from all over the world from a national and pigmentation point of view and there is nothing like staring at the pool from 5 meters up and stepping off that ledge to separate the swimmers from the non swimmers.
I have seen a burly (white) Rig-Pig almost in tears at the prospect because he could not swim. Same for a black lady who flew for one of the Central African national carriers, and the great thing about the training was that we ALL encouraged and supported these folks to help them through the ordeal succesfully so they could be more effective at their jobs.
On the flipside, I have also met eneough blacks who were perfectly comfortable in the water, and my own mother who was petrified of the sea, so really guys, let's all see the comment that is attributed to Kulula for what it is, A statement from the Government trying to undermine a successful threat to thier national carrier. A carrier that is carrying them down the toilet.
In this HUET training I have met men and women from all over the world from a national and pigmentation point of view and there is nothing like staring at the pool from 5 meters up and stepping off that ledge to separate the swimmers from the non swimmers.
I have seen a burly (white) Rig-Pig almost in tears at the prospect because he could not swim. Same for a black lady who flew for one of the Central African national carriers, and the great thing about the training was that we ALL encouraged and supported these folks to help them through the ordeal succesfully so they could be more effective at their jobs.
On the flipside, I have also met eneough blacks who were perfectly comfortable in the water, and my own mother who was petrified of the sea, so really guys, let's all see the comment that is attributed to Kulula for what it is, A statement from the Government trying to undermine a successful threat to thier national carrier. A carrier that is carrying them down the toilet.
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Can anyone out there please show me where Comair/Kulula stated that:
a. Blacks can't swim.
b. They can't find blacks to employ because they can't swim.
This is all hoggwash, rubbish published by the owners of SAA, SA Express and Mango.
The SA GAVAMUNT.
a. Blacks can't swim.
b. They can't find blacks to employ because they can't swim.
This is all hoggwash, rubbish published by the owners of SAA, SA Express and Mango.
The SA GAVAMUNT.
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777 Contrail
As you said,but I don't think the conspiricy goes that deep.Remember that we are dealing with the dept. of labour(eeish).
I do have a question.If Kulula said blacks can't swim, it is racist, yes?
So what do we call it when the dept. of labour says it?
We all know it has nothing to do with fixing past wrongs,or empowering the people of SA.
I think at some point this bulls
t will run out of support.
I do have a question.If Kulula said blacks can't swim, it is racist, yes?
So what do we call it when the dept. of labour says it?
We all know it has nothing to do with fixing past wrongs,or empowering the people of SA.
I think at some point this bulls
t will run out of support.
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If Kulula said blacks can't swim, it is racist, yes?
Absolutely, YES!
So what do we call it when the dept. of labour says it?
Well, as they make the rules, it obviously must be anything but racist. Probably will be shown to be them justifiably pointing out a good reason to tackle their main low cost opposition.
As a matter of interest, I wonder how many of the SAA non-white crew are capable swimmers...... Or Nationwide, or Comair. Dept of Labour must have the stats to all that if they can make the claim re; Kulula.
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Comair is the company behind both Kulula.com and BA in South Africa.
It is the only airline company in SA that has a swimming training program for its employees.
Go figure!
It is the only airline company in SA that has a swimming training program for its employees.
Go figure!
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SWIM? No! Bob around in a life jacket is more like it, thats the way it is.
it is not a requirement to swim without a life jacket these days thats how the big operators get around this, just go to any ditching recurrency and watch
it is not a requirement to swim without a life jacket these days thats how the big operators get around this, just go to any ditching recurrency and watch
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blacks are non-swimmers
well said 777contrail, anyway, last time I did EPT, the instructor insisted that a crew member allways be able to help him/herself in the water. "A non-swimmer will have an inherent fear of the water, and might just kill someone's loved one." That will definately make Kulula look like idiots, something I think we would rather avoid. Anyway, we are 52% BEE, so what's the big noise about?
