Comair taking unnecessary flak
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Nugpot I was just answering sayswho's question. So i dont understand the excitement.
From a previous post I see you fly overgrown bizjets for SAX. SAX is also owned by transnet. So maybe SAX are also a bunch of leaches.
You think we have a bad attitude towards everyone, not at all. I met a Q400 captain yesterday. a really well balance chap. He has a huge chip on both shoulders. Partly because he isn't at SAA yet but he has to fly with cadets that can't.
Most of the negative posts here about SAA are from those who aren't there yet.
From a previous post I see you fly overgrown bizjets for SAX. SAX is also owned by transnet. So maybe SAX are also a bunch of leaches.
You think we have a bad attitude towards everyone, not at all. I met a Q400 captain yesterday. a really well balance chap. He has a huge chip on both shoulders. Partly because he isn't at SAA yet but he has to fly with cadets that can't.
Most of the negative posts here about SAA are from those who aren't there yet.
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Firstly I have never been for an interview with Comair I merely said if that had surfaced in my career I would have no problem working for them, they are a professional outfit (unlike your SAA). Secondly you are not the only one who flies the biggest, there ar many of us out there so dont think that secures you employment. You mention the chip on a Q400 pilots shoulder you recently met, wow thats rich comming from you, infact you remind me of one of your colleagues that insecure fluffy fan.
You are in a company that is having to justify its existance and thats pretty hard considering the financial burden they are on the tax payer. Im just relieved that no tax of mine goes to your companies existance especially if it comes to paying salaries of arrogant people such as yourself.
And finally we dont moan about SAA because we arnt there yet, we merely point out that it is you who have not reached destination you still stuck in the clouds.
Go fly your BIG PLANE BIG BOY - i suppose it needs to be big just to carry your over inflated ego!
Firstly I have never been for an interview with Comair I merely said if that had surfaced in my career I would have no problem working for them, they are a professional outfit (unlike your SAA). Secondly you are not the only one who flies the biggest, there ar many of us out there so dont think that secures you employment. You mention the chip on a Q400 pilots shoulder you recently met, wow thats rich comming from you, infact you remind me of one of your colleagues that insecure fluffy fan.
You are in a company that is having to justify its existance and thats pretty hard considering the financial burden they are on the tax payer. Im just relieved that no tax of mine goes to your companies existance especially if it comes to paying salaries of arrogant people such as yourself.
And finally we dont moan about SAA because we arnt there yet, we merely point out that it is you who have not reached destination you still stuck in the clouds.
Go fly your BIG PLANE BIG BOY - i suppose it needs to be big just to carry your over inflated ego!
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Partly because he isn't at SAA yet but he has to fly with cadets that can't.
I'm sure there are guys at SAX that would go to SAA, but not many. Face it, your airline has lost its appeal to others and apparently to SAA pilots as well. Hopefully it would grind the chips on your shoulders down to boulder size as well.
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Jee wizz......what a loss to SA, the reason you could not get a job in SA sayswho must be the racist ANC and BEE, not your horrific spelling and obvious lack of a matric.......why not run your post through word and use the spell checker next time
All my mates who applied themselves and got off there backsides to get a tertiary education, a Comm or an ATP had no problem finding jobs in SA.
Oh and by the way, like it or not (and I don’t) sayswho, the BEE policies you are talking about are Law...not rumour, so companies are compelled to comply, if Comair has flouted the law then they will get what’s coming to them and I have little sympathy because they have taken every opportunity to bad mouth SAA and sue even though they are guilty of the same practices, if they have done there best with regard to complying with the law then I am sure they will have no problem.
I left the SA working enviroment 5 years ago due to their rediculous policys (white 30 odd year old male) so don't think for one miniute I support them. If they get their own way with Comair Im affraid to say Zimbabwe will become an example of what is to come.
All my mates who applied themselves and got off there backsides to get a tertiary education, a Comm or an ATP had no problem finding jobs in SA.
Oh and by the way, like it or not (and I don’t) sayswho, the BEE policies you are talking about are Law...not rumour, so companies are compelled to comply, if Comair has flouted the law then they will get what’s coming to them and I have little sympathy because they have taken every opportunity to bad mouth SAA and sue even though they are guilty of the same practices, if they have done there best with regard to complying with the law then I am sure they will have no problem.
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if Comair has flouted the law then they will get what’s coming to them
Btw, what does a Q400 Captain have to do with the #$% at Comair?
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yes well said fluffy!!
now you must just believe the
you preach (sorry couldnt spell it) must be due to my lack of the world wide recognised 'MATRIC' you brag about having -
Your mates - uum let me see - yep guess we know that type - FLY BIG PLANES!!! - can just see the degrees oozing from them
Anyway this thread wasn't about my poor spelling it was about giving Comair support for sticking to to the likes of you and your employers. Its sad that you honestly believe that they deserve to be punished for not bowing to the politicians and there ridiculous policys.
So sorry for not doing a spell check but 'I are not a SAA pilot wif matrik'
Just can't be bothered to argue with your type anymore - you are a dimwit and are obviously in a position that far exceeds your abilities.
When last did you stand up for what you believed? HONESTLY!!!
now you must just believe the
you preach (sorry couldnt spell it) must be due to my lack of the world wide recognised 'MATRIC' you brag about having -Your mates - uum let me see - yep guess we know that type - FLY BIG PLANES!!! - can just see the degrees oozing from them
Anyway this thread wasn't about my poor spelling it was about giving Comair support for sticking to to the likes of you and your employers. Its sad that you honestly believe that they deserve to be punished for not bowing to the politicians and there ridiculous policys.
So sorry for not doing a spell check but 'I are not a SAA pilot wif matrik'
Just can't be bothered to argue with your type anymore - you are a dimwit and are obviously in a position that far exceeds your abilities.
When last did you stand up for what you believed? HONESTLY!!!
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What.......you mean the law?
ummmm........Now
Did you figure out how to check your spelling? it seems to have improved, just remember Copy, paste, spell check, copy and paste again....good lad stick with us we will teach you some stuff.
Its sad that you honestly believe that they deserve to be punished for not bowing to the politicians and there ridiculous policys.
When last did you stand up for what you believed? HONESTLY!!!
Did you figure out how to check your spelling? it seems to have improved, just remember Copy, paste, spell check, copy and paste again....good lad stick with us we will teach you some stuff.
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Fluffyfan said:
"Jee wizz......what a loss to SA. The reason you could not get a job in SA, sayswho, must be the racist ANC and BEE, not your horrific spelling and obvious lack of a matric....... Why not run your post through Word, and use the spell checker next time.
All my mates who applied themselves and got off their backsides to get a tertiary education, a Comm. or an ATP, had no problem finding jobs in SA.
Oh and by the way, like it or not (and I don’t) sayswho, the BEE policies you are talking about are Law...not rumour. So companies are compelled to comply. If Comair has flouted the law then they will get what’s coming to them. I have little sympathy because they have taken every opportunity to bad mouth SAA, and sue, even though they are guilty of the same practices. If they have done their best with regard to complying with the law, then I am sure they will have no problem."
I took the liberty to make some spelling and grammar corrections, since you're so set on having it done right. (Not that this is a spelling network, but still.....)
I can only hope that the Queen's tongue is not your first language.
You are making veiled claims about Comair doing the same things as SAA. Please indulge us.
Now, get back into your taxpayer funded-, leased aircraft, and try not to waste too much tax.
"Jee wizz......what a loss to SA. The reason you could not get a job in SA, sayswho, must be the racist ANC and BEE, not your horrific spelling and obvious lack of a matric....... Why not run your post through Word, and use the spell checker next time.
All my mates who applied themselves and got off their backsides to get a tertiary education, a Comm. or an ATP, had no problem finding jobs in SA.
Oh and by the way, like it or not (and I don’t) sayswho, the BEE policies you are talking about are Law...not rumour. So companies are compelled to comply. If Comair has flouted the law then they will get what’s coming to them. I have little sympathy because they have taken every opportunity to bad mouth SAA, and sue, even though they are guilty of the same practices. If they have done their best with regard to complying with the law, then I am sure they will have no problem."
I took the liberty to make some spelling and grammar corrections, since you're so set on having it done right. (Not that this is a spelling network, but still.....)
I can only hope that the Queen's tongue is not your first language.
You are making veiled claims about Comair doing the same things as SAA. Please indulge us.
Now, get back into your taxpayer funded-, leased aircraft, and try not to waste too much tax.
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I love it......777 I am always amazed that the people who do not pay tax are the most outspoken about the taxpayer and the abuse of puplic funds. If SAA started making a profit would your distain for the company disappear? I dont think so you and most of your fellow SAA bashers have personal reasons for jumping on the anti-SAA wagon. Anyway I am sure we will find out soon enough when SAA does start making a profit, I wonder what you will bitch about then
Some Comair facts
1. Comairs Jet Operation was started by SAA.
2. Comair has always used SAA technical for their maintenance, so does that make them guilty of abusing the taxpayer? just a thought.
3. Comair had a incentive scheme in place as did SAA with regard to ticket sales, SAA only got hung because they were a state funded entity and this was deemed anti-competative.
4. Comair was one of the main players in the demise of Sunair
All of the above points have been debated at lengh on this forum so do some searching and read about it, Comair are not the angels you think they are they have been involved in some very shady practices, they are in crisis at the moment with aircrew demanding better pay and conditions of service, I think management there has done a great job, my only gripe is that they have expoited every opportunity to bad mouth SAA and squeeze money out of SAA, so if this non compliance with BEE comes to bite them, well lets just say that the wheel turns.
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Fluffyfan, maybe you should have taken part in those Comair debates.
Must I be a Zimbabwe citizen to condemn RM's antics?
How much tax should I pay before I condemn its waste?
When SAA starts making a profit!
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......I don't need to think what I'll bitch about, then. Not now. It is going to be a very long time, I will have serious Altsheimer's by then, and wouldn't remember what I wanted to bitch about!
Some Comair facts:
1. Under the National Party regime Comair was prevented BY LAW to fly jet aircraft on any of the routes that SAA operated. When those regulations were removed, Comair started their Cityjet operation with an F28(without SAA), and then moved on to B737's.
They bought the 3 old 737-basics that SAA didn't want to operate anymore and made JdeB a rich man to train the first couple of Comair training captains. That was the total sum of SAA's involvement, and Comair didn't get that for free.
2. Comair NEVER only used SAAT for maintenance on their aircraft (may soon though). 11 Years ago they had their own maintenance department. Safair used to do all the B727's, B734's and the B733's. To such an extent that Comair had too keep aircraft on the books with SAAT to avoid paying penalties in the contracts.
SAAT is a separate company from SAA. It's highly profitable and a service provider to many airlines using SA airfields. The Comair contracts are done by the "Foreign Operators" division of SAAT.
3. To give an incentive of 5% on ticket sales is quite within the law.
When you offer 7,5%, plus another 2,5% if you'll fill the SAA aircraft before selling ANY other tickets, while running at a loss, with 70% market share - that my friend, IS AGAINST THE LAW.
Because then you're killing the private guy with taxpayer money.
4. Refresh my memory please! The last time I looked Comair had a 20% share in Sunair and had to write off millions when SAA closed them down.
Sure, Comair did get a passenger spill-over from Sunair, but the Sunair brand was a thorn in the flesh for the SAA premium brand.
Many pilots and some management ended up at Comair, how many were "helped out" by SAA?
Same thing happened after SAA helped Flitestar close down.
Been there, seen that.
I do not hink that the labour case will directly be a problem for Comair.
It is the fallout that they have worry about. After the court case, the Labour department will have all the long knives out for some time after....
Must I be a Zimbabwe citizen to condemn RM's antics?
How much tax should I pay before I condemn its waste?
When SAA starts making a profit!
.............I don't need to think what I'll bitch about, then. Not now. It is going to be a very long time, I will have serious Altsheimer's by then, and wouldn't remember what I wanted to bitch about!Some Comair facts:
1. Under the National Party regime Comair was prevented BY LAW to fly jet aircraft on any of the routes that SAA operated. When those regulations were removed, Comair started their Cityjet operation with an F28(without SAA), and then moved on to B737's.
They bought the 3 old 737-basics that SAA didn't want to operate anymore and made JdeB a rich man to train the first couple of Comair training captains. That was the total sum of SAA's involvement, and Comair didn't get that for free.
2. Comair NEVER only used SAAT for maintenance on their aircraft (may soon though). 11 Years ago they had their own maintenance department. Safair used to do all the B727's, B734's and the B733's. To such an extent that Comair had too keep aircraft on the books with SAAT to avoid paying penalties in the contracts.
SAAT is a separate company from SAA. It's highly profitable and a service provider to many airlines using SA airfields. The Comair contracts are done by the "Foreign Operators" division of SAAT.
3. To give an incentive of 5% on ticket sales is quite within the law.
When you offer 7,5%, plus another 2,5% if you'll fill the SAA aircraft before selling ANY other tickets, while running at a loss, with 70% market share - that my friend, IS AGAINST THE LAW.
Because then you're killing the private guy with taxpayer money.
4. Refresh my memory please! The last time I looked Comair had a 20% share in Sunair and had to write off millions when SAA closed them down.
Sure, Comair did get a passenger spill-over from Sunair, but the Sunair brand was a thorn in the flesh for the SAA premium brand.
Many pilots and some management ended up at Comair, how many were "helped out" by SAA?
Same thing happened after SAA helped Flitestar close down.
Been there, seen that.
I do not hink that the labour case will directly be a problem for Comair.
It is the fallout that they have worry about. After the court case, the Labour department will have all the long knives out for some time after....
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"When SAA starts making a profit! .............I don't need to think what I'll bitch about, then. Not now. It is going to be a very long time, I will have serious Altsheimer's by then, and wouldn't remember what I wanted to bitch about!"
Dont knock Altzheimer's, at least you meet new people everyday!
.............I don't need to think what I'll bitch about, then. Not now. It is going to be a very long time, I will have serious Altsheimer's by then, and wouldn't remember what I wanted to bitch about!"Dont knock Altzheimer's, at least you meet new people everyday!
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Just another update on this story....use it, dont use it...
Comair files response to employment equity charges
Comair has submitted a 1000-page response to the employment equity complaint by the Department of Labour. Rod Harper from Edward Nathan Sonnenbergs said the response submitted to the Labour Court included relevant employment equity reports lodged by the company during the 2000/2007 period. ‘This will give the Department of Labour an opportunity to audit its own file and to check its documents against those lodged by Comair,’ Harper said. He said this was particularly important as the department had refused to give Comair access to the contents of its employment equity file on the company.
Comair files response to employment equity charges
Comair has submitted a 1000-page response to the employment equity complaint by the Department of Labour. Rod Harper from Edward Nathan Sonnenbergs said the response submitted to the Labour Court included relevant employment equity reports lodged by the company during the 2000/2007 period. ‘This will give the Department of Labour an opportunity to audit its own file and to check its documents against those lodged by Comair,’ Harper said. He said this was particularly important as the department had refused to give Comair access to the contents of its employment equity file on the company.
