Nationwide loses a donkey @ FACT
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Thanks for that. so it's happened a few times and all landed back safely. testement to Boeing and their aerie's.
and i wouldn't be surprised if VB looked at this incident from a totally different angle from us normal folk!!! would be good to hear from someone at NTW to see if VB even contacted and congratulated the crew or even thanked them for the good job they did.
and i wouldn't be surprised if VB looked at this incident from a totally different angle from us normal folk!!! would be good to hear from someone at NTW to see if VB even contacted and congratulated the crew or even thanked them for the good job they did.
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Jaaaaa! Wondered when Uncle Vernon's " I WILL SERVICE THEM MYSELF AT THE LOWEST COST" attitude would come back to bite him in the a@#$e!
Sooner than I thought! Well done to the crew.
It seems as if ENGINE SEVERE DAMAGE/SEPARATION checklist does deserve a place in the QRH. Especially if it was serviced at Lanseria
What does concern me more about this episode, is that I can not really recommend an airline to travel on in SA to anyone! Maybe BA Comair, but, only just. Give the rest a wide miss! I have to travel to George on a regular basis, and the choice of SAX, Khulula, Nationwide and BA has been reduced considerably.
SAX - you never know what old wreck you are going to end up on.
Khulula - so many Emergency Descends due to pressurization problems, they are exempt from doing it in the simulator.
Nationwide - Not keen on flying on genuine singles thank you.
BA - lets wait and see.
Wonder what role CAA can play to ensure that ourskies remain safe, airports remain open, and the industry does not slide into "Nigeria" mode. Ooops, I forgot, we are already there!
Sooner than I thought! Well done to the crew.
It seems as if ENGINE SEVERE DAMAGE/SEPARATION checklist does deserve a place in the QRH. Especially if it was serviced at Lanseria
What does concern me more about this episode, is that I can not really recommend an airline to travel on in SA to anyone! Maybe BA Comair, but, only just. Give the rest a wide miss! I have to travel to George on a regular basis, and the choice of SAX, Khulula, Nationwide and BA has been reduced considerably.
SAX - you never know what old wreck you are going to end up on.
Khulula - so many Emergency Descends due to pressurization problems, they are exempt from doing it in the simulator.
Nationwide - Not keen on flying on genuine singles thank you.
BA - lets wait and see.
Wonder what role CAA can play to ensure that ourskies remain safe, airports remain open, and the industry does not slide into "Nigeria" mode. Ooops, I forgot, we are already there!
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SAX - you never know what old wreck you are going to end up on
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No disrespect to the young guys, but Vernon and the pax can be glad it was an experienced captain.
Well done Trevor, goes to show, when we got told by S.A.A. we are not the right "profile" and got sidelined to make space for others.........they now battle to keep an aircraft on the taxiway. S.A.A's loss, we said it all along.
Last time I saw you I joked about your half grey beard. You now deserve a full grey beard.
Good job
Well done Trevor, goes to show, when we got told by S.A.A. we are not the right "profile" and got sidelined to make space for others.........they now battle to keep an aircraft on the taxiway. S.A.A's loss, we said it all along.
Last time I saw you I joked about your half grey beard. You now deserve a full grey beard.
Good job
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SAX - you never know what old wreck you are going to end up on.
Not true at all, their Dash8s and CRJ mix would probably have one of the youngest average age.
Infact the 2 Dash 8Q400s they use to fly to George is THE newest two aircraft in South Africa!
Not true at all, their Dash8s and CRJ mix would probably have one of the youngest average age.
Infact the 2 Dash 8Q400s they use to fly to George is THE newest two aircraft in South Africa!
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Nationwide Airlines
Press Statement
08 November 2007 – 14h30
Nationwide Airlines Salutes Pilots and Crew
Nationwide Airlines Chief Executive Officer Vernon Bricknell today complimented his entire staff and in particular the Captain and crew of Flight CE 723 for their heroic efforts in helping to maintain the company’s outstanding safety record.
Flight CE 723 was discontinued following an incident yesterday soon after take off from Cape Town International Airport.
Bricknell says this is the first major incident that the airline has experienced since taking to the skies 12 years ago.
Bricknell says he is relieved that the incident, which took place yesterday at Cape Town International Airport, did not result in injury to passengers or people on the ground.
“Upon take off of Boeing 737 Flight CE 723 yesterday at Cape Town International, the captain heard a loud noise immediately followed by a yaw of the aircraft. The captain, after confirmation of information from flight deck instrumentation that one of the engines had failed, immediately applied emergency procedures, an emergency was declared and the aircraft returned to make an emergency landing in Cape Town,” says Bricknell.
Nationwide Airlines has since determined that during the take off roll an object which is yet to be defined was ingested into the engine causing engine failure. The subsequent forces experienced by the engine supporting structure caused this to fail and for the number two engine to detach from the wing. The engine-to-wing supporting structure is designed to release the engine when extreme forces are applied to prevent any structural damage to the wing that may impair the aircraft’s ability to fly.
He reiterated the fact that the Boeing 737 aircraft is by far one of the safest aircraft in service today. “The Boeing 737 is aviation’s most successful story,” says Bricknell
According to Bricknell, there are approximately 5 000 Boeing 737 in service around the world, with one Boeing 737 taking off every 9 seconds, every day.
He says Nationwide Airlines is working with the proper authorities to establish the nature of the unidentified object and will keep the public informed as more information becomes available.
Furthermore Bricknell says Nationwide Airlines has met and surpassed local and international safety best practice standards. The airline is accredited by IOSA, the Operational Safety Audit of the International Airline Transport Association (IATA).
He says the airline industry is the most regulated sector in the world in terms of safety, training and aircraft maintenance.
‘In no other profession are skilled individuals such as pilots required to undergo testing and to demonstrate their proficiency on such a regular basis. Training encompasses a wide variety of subjects and scenarios that hopefully flight crew members will never be called upon to exercise in the operational environment. Yesterday this training paid off – the skills of the crew were called upon and procedures were carried out in a text-book fashion,” says Bricknell.
Nationwide Airlines is a privately owned airline company which flies to local, regional and international destinations.
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Press Statement
08 November 2007 – 14h30
Nationwide Airlines Salutes Pilots and Crew
Nationwide Airlines Chief Executive Officer Vernon Bricknell today complimented his entire staff and in particular the Captain and crew of Flight CE 723 for their heroic efforts in helping to maintain the company’s outstanding safety record.
Flight CE 723 was discontinued following an incident yesterday soon after take off from Cape Town International Airport.
Bricknell says this is the first major incident that the airline has experienced since taking to the skies 12 years ago.
Bricknell says he is relieved that the incident, which took place yesterday at Cape Town International Airport, did not result in injury to passengers or people on the ground.
“Upon take off of Boeing 737 Flight CE 723 yesterday at Cape Town International, the captain heard a loud noise immediately followed by a yaw of the aircraft. The captain, after confirmation of information from flight deck instrumentation that one of the engines had failed, immediately applied emergency procedures, an emergency was declared and the aircraft returned to make an emergency landing in Cape Town,” says Bricknell.
Nationwide Airlines has since determined that during the take off roll an object which is yet to be defined was ingested into the engine causing engine failure. The subsequent forces experienced by the engine supporting structure caused this to fail and for the number two engine to detach from the wing. The engine-to-wing supporting structure is designed to release the engine when extreme forces are applied to prevent any structural damage to the wing that may impair the aircraft’s ability to fly.
He reiterated the fact that the Boeing 737 aircraft is by far one of the safest aircraft in service today. “The Boeing 737 is aviation’s most successful story,” says Bricknell
According to Bricknell, there are approximately 5 000 Boeing 737 in service around the world, with one Boeing 737 taking off every 9 seconds, every day.
He says Nationwide Airlines is working with the proper authorities to establish the nature of the unidentified object and will keep the public informed as more information becomes available.
Furthermore Bricknell says Nationwide Airlines has met and surpassed local and international safety best practice standards. The airline is accredited by IOSA, the Operational Safety Audit of the International Airline Transport Association (IATA).
He says the airline industry is the most regulated sector in the world in terms of safety, training and aircraft maintenance.
‘In no other profession are skilled individuals such as pilots required to undergo testing and to demonstrate their proficiency on such a regular basis. Training encompasses a wide variety of subjects and scenarios that hopefully flight crew members will never be called upon to exercise in the operational environment. Yesterday this training paid off – the skills of the crew were called upon and procedures were carried out in a text-book fashion,” says Bricknell.
Nationwide Airlines is a privately owned airline company which flies to local, regional and international destinations.
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Nationwide Press Statement
I just read the Nationwide press statement and I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. Say the engine did fail due to FOD ingestion, I really doubt the vibrations would be strong enough to shear the cone bolts off. Even if the vibrations were strong enough to shear the cone bolts, the engine would react in the same way as the four incidents mentioned in nugpot's earlier thread. In those incidents the cone bolts sheared and the engine fell away, but the pilon remained with the shut-off valves intact. If you look at the picture posted by BRL, the whole pilon is gone, not just the engine...
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Some excellent close-up photos of the wing, engine mounts and the engine on AvCom ( http://avcom.co.za/phpBB2/viewtopic....=asc&start=180 ).
I can see no evidence of FOD ingestion by looking at intake and blades!
I can see no evidence of FOD ingestion by looking at intake and blades!
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Fantastic Job Boys
A VERY WELL DONE TO YOU BOTH. Trev, we flew many times together, when Uncle Vern first started with the fluffs, probably in that very same rust bucket and in hindsight it is nice to know you were there should it have happened to us.
When I am next in town I will have to buy you a cold one and hear the story.
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Some excellent close-up photos of the wing, engine mounts and the engine on AvCom ( http://avcom.co.za/phpBB2/viewtopic....=asc&start=180 ).
I couldn't get that link with the photos to come up???
I couldn't get that link with the photos to come up???
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I couldn't get that link with the photos to come up???
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Money.....saving it.
Humour me for a short epistle, please?In your mind, picture the Big Cheese "Beancounter".
Now this scenario was on the T/O run, but for this excercise, imagine it happening on the DA. Bad stuff weather.
Your children are on board, both of them, as UMs.(You're subsequently sterile.<not imp.....)
The Captain happened to be suddenly taken with a SERIOUS eye problem/ gut problem/tooth problem, whatever~ but he/she is effectively INCAPACITATED!
Now you have the FO alone flying. Then this happens, at DA, no visual clues. Go around......
Now the question. How do you feel, standing in the terminal waiting for your children to arrive, with all the others, knowing that the FO is a 250/300 hour "cheap salary pilot"? A little-experienced pilot, flying 121 sheduled pax.
I for one find it tantamount to criminal thinking, not "Business".
Sorry, I still believe there are just too many 1000+hour pilots out there giving instruction etc for the industry to morally motivate taking such low time pilots!
Let's learn from this great lesson that's just happened?
Congrats to the wonderful job done by these pilots.
Maybe they'll publish their experience themselves here?
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Thanks for the pictures Nugs.
3rd bogey, for what it's worth, Nationwide no longer employ extremely low time guys who pay for their rating. I believe the average is closer to 2000 hrs for a new hire (but could be a little out), and all employees are now bonded (four years, 150K, so basically it's a giant rip off for ten sessions in a Fluff sim).
When you examine this closely though, this is for the companies benefit, rather than any kind of high minded moral values. They know that:
(a) when they bond guys, they have a greater financial incentive to stay, and
(b)they want higher time guys because they constantly need Captains to replace those lost due to the extremely high turnover, thus they need to employ higher time guys with ATPs and suitable total time to satisfy insurance requirements for the inevitable rapid command.
3rd bogey, for what it's worth, Nationwide no longer employ extremely low time guys who pay for their rating. I believe the average is closer to 2000 hrs for a new hire (but could be a little out), and all employees are now bonded (four years, 150K, so basically it's a giant rip off for ten sessions in a Fluff sim).
When you examine this closely though, this is for the companies benefit, rather than any kind of high minded moral values. They know that:
(a) when they bond guys, they have a greater financial incentive to stay, and
(b)they want higher time guys because they constantly need Captains to replace those lost due to the extremely high turnover, thus they need to employ higher time guys with ATPs and suitable total time to satisfy insurance requirements for the inevitable rapid command.