SAA pilots on the verge of a mass exodus?
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bbj3 is right, F.O. entry level will be reduced to comm., as long as you have multi I.F. In some cases, NONE of the above. Comm. only! That will happen to accommodate the disadvantaged. In some cases as low as 300hrs, no multi, no I.F, Low pay but loads of crew. Captains over worked, underpaid.....soon it's bye bye to greener pastures.
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That will happen to accommodate the disadvantaged. In some cases as low as 300hrs, no multi, no I.F, Low pay but loads of crew.
If this happens, it might be these companies that suffer in the short term due to lack of crew, IMHO.
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Hmm, from a non pilot, I have read with vast interest on this subject. One of the things being touted about has been "the future". So, when are all you short haul jocks going to do your conversion tickets ? From airplane pilot to maglev pilot - think about it......... 
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F.O. entry level will be reduced to comm., as long as you have multi I.F.
As SAA has ramped up its cadet program, now that it is at 43, I think it will have all the 'newly advantaged' people it will need. When I left SA, NOT that long ago, the Airlink cadets were going to stay at Airlink, cause SAA didn't have jobs for them.
Lets not get this SAA thing all out of proportion.
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"I am so sick and tired of being blamed for everything that goes wrong in our beautifull country" Are you really? So just a question who sould be blamed.After all you white sout african created this mess. and now that the country want to give opportunity to colored all you white do is complain. I bet you wish apartheid makes a come back so all the glamours SAA pilot jobs will be reserved just for you racist white men. Like they say once a racist always a racist
Who is this idiot?
Cant spell, obviously knows nothing about SA. Probably never been here and definitely not wanted here. Well said Fluffyfan
The last thing SA as a whole needs right now is this type of moronic instigation from "politicised" but ill-informed "brothers" from the good old YOUESSOFA!! Go find yourself another Saddam to hang and butt out of our business!
GO BOKKE!!!!!!!
Who is this idiot?
Cant spell, obviously knows nothing about SA. Probably never been here and definitely not wanted here. Well said Fluffyfan The last thing SA as a whole needs right now is this type of moronic instigation from "politicised" but ill-informed "brothers" from the good old YOUESSOFA!! Go find yourself another Saddam to hang and butt out of our business!GO BOKKE!!!!!!!
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Out of curiosity how many commanders of colour are in SAA ? No, seriously guys ? Considering the pilot populance in SAA am sure the number is very minute. Don't you think for a country where the majority of people is black that the number of pilots in the flag carrier should show a certain balance or at least should have a respectable number of black people ? The number of pilots of colour should be increased over time to keep some racial harmony.
The issue of AA is most of the time stuffed up by govts. eg Zim cricket, rugby. Whilst the intentions are very noble, our leaders have used it as an arm breaking technique in the end the poor majority don't benefit whilst the affluent blacks benefit. (BEE comes to mind) In order to correct the colour in the flight deck the govt must start right at the grass roots level by providing proper education in the townships from primary school right up to tertiary education for the people of colour. From there they should be given access to loans or facilities to attend flying school and then of course into mainstream flying. But also at the same time these opportunities should continue to be available to EVERY South African who meets the minimum requirements.
This business of parachuting unqualified people into seats of expensive equipement under the guise of AA could have negative effects in the long run as people will say "twas those AA's that pranged the aircraft...."Am not saying blacks cannot fly, but we want to do it after having gone through the mill just like everybody else.
The issue of AA is most of the time stuffed up by govts. eg Zim cricket, rugby. Whilst the intentions are very noble, our leaders have used it as an arm breaking technique in the end the poor majority don't benefit whilst the affluent blacks benefit. (BEE
comes to mind) In order to correct the colour in the flight deck the govt must start right at the grass roots level by providing proper education in the townships from primary school right up to tertiary education for the people of colour. From there they should be given access to loans or facilities to attend flying school and then of course into mainstream flying. But also at the same time these opportunities should continue to be available to EVERY South African who meets the minimum requirements.This business of parachuting unqualified people into seats of expensive equipement under the guise of AA could have negative effects in the long run as people will say "twas those AA's that pranged the aircraft...."Am not saying blacks cannot fly, but we want to do it after having gone through the mill just like everybody else.
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Our government is not interested in longterm solutions, but rather short term "doctoring" of the symptoms. If you want to fix a certain problem you have to start at the cause of that particular problem....and that is hard work.
The problem of putting pilots of color in the cockpit is that there is no-one to put there because there is no passion for flying among the majority of black people. Think about it. Being a pilot is a real crap job if you don't have the passion for airplanes....and it is hard work.
It is much easier to attend lectures at a university, (because of late it is a right and not a privilege), and then being given a degree, (because it is the culture of "pass one, pass all"), and becoming an engineer,accountant,etc so they can land a job just because of the color of their skin at a firm who is being forced to have the numbers right. Then being paid a huge salary for doing sweet fanny nothing because at the end of the day, they know nothing.
The problem with these people is that "they don't know that they don't know"!!!
The problem of putting pilots of color in the cockpit is that there is no-one to put there because there is no passion for flying among the majority of black people. Think about it. Being a pilot is a real crap job if you don't have the passion for airplanes....and it is hard work.
It is much easier to attend lectures at a university, (because of late it is a right and not a privilege), and then being given a degree, (because it is the culture of "pass one, pass all"), and becoming an engineer,accountant,etc so they can land a job just because of the color of their skin at a firm who is being forced to have the numbers right. Then being paid a huge salary for doing sweet fanny nothing because at the end of the day, they know nothing.
The problem with these people is that "they don't know that they don't know"!!!
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govt must start right at the grass roots level by providing proper education in the townships from primary school right up to tertiary education for the people of colour.
Being a pilot is a real crap ...........and it is hard work.
Be careful to say all AA appointments are all people that know nothing. Think its a huge generalisation, and a little racist. The cadets at the moment are a motivated, keen bunch. Happy to be a pax when there flying. That said, I do agree with the level of interest issue.
In this thread I raised this issue. Would be interested to hear if the level of applicant to the cadet program has improved? It was truly shocking on the final interviews I sat in on a few yrs back.
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The SAA cadet scheme has been put on hold indefinitely. So now they will really struggle to find black pilots as it is almost impossible to self-fund one's own training with the high cost of flight training these days, even if the desire is there.
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is almost impossible to self-fund one's own training with the high cost of flight training these days
(Flying has never been cheap, not even in 1973)
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Engineers last resort, pilots last-last resort???
Johannesburg - Plans to fire about 700 technicians at SAA Technical - a unit of state-owned airline South African Airways (SAA) - may have serious safety repercussions, a union spokesperson claimed on Friday.
"The majority of these staff members are highly qualified technicians. These employees have the competency to certify aircraft as airworthy after repairs," said Jaco Kleynhans, Solidarity spokesperson.
Solidarity, as well as two other unions, is objecting to SAA plans to dismiss more than 2 220 members.
SAA, which suffered an R883m loss in the year to March, plans to offload these workers to save money, but the airline has said this option was "a last resort".
Solidarity said SAA Technical - which conducts in-house and third-party maintenance and repair functions - had already lost 300 technicians since January 2006.
"The safety of passengers on SAA's own aircraft and those on other airlines for which SAA Technical provides maintenance services is at risk," said Kleynhans.
"The majority of these staff members are highly qualified technicians. These employees have the competency to certify aircraft as airworthy after repairs," said Jaco Kleynhans, Solidarity spokesperson.
Solidarity, as well as two other unions, is objecting to SAA plans to dismiss more than 2 220 members.
SAA, which suffered an R883m loss in the year to March, plans to offload these workers to save money, but the airline has said this option was "a last resort".
Solidarity said SAA Technical - which conducts in-house and third-party maintenance and repair functions - had already lost 300 technicians since January 2006.
"The safety of passengers on SAA's own aircraft and those on other airlines for which SAA Technical provides maintenance services is at risk," said Kleynhans.
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Pilots
Coloured pilots?
never flew with one but if you have an SAA aircraft with 3-to 400 passengers with a black captain there who hasnt a clue, but just there to make up numbers, im sorry but this shouldnt be. Unlike a manager in an office, who can easily cover up, you cant BS when it comes to flying! You can either do it or you cant.
never flew with one but if you have an SAA aircraft with 3-to 400 passengers with a black captain there who hasnt a clue, but just there to make up numbers, im sorry but this shouldnt be. Unlike a manager in an office, who can easily cover up, you cant BS when it comes to flying! You can either do it or you cant.
