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DFO @ Virgin Nigeria Gone
T Mac at VK,gone last wednesday,Gulity of running the place with an iron hand. Pilot Body in June had written a letter to the mnagement about,his strong arm methods.
KILLERMAN TRE in the Sim for the 733 THE DON,BIG SIGN ON his Glass office Door, DO NOT DISTURB as a DFO !!!!.
His last posting was as an Ops inspector with the regulator in UK. hmmmm.
He could not lead from the front,though an aviator he never got flying in Los,after he did the course, Nov 2006, NG full course with 733 differences,no validation from the regulator in Nigeria,He flew the desk when he was in Los.
I guess his dooms day was when he started to turn on Line Pilots.
The Golden rule with these Foreign Managers is that,they seem to forget,
that you have to take on board the Locals.....if you try to make them feel inadequate..... for no reason,you will not succeed.Surely NOT.
HOPE HIS REPLACEMNET HAS AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE ROPES OF HOW TO MANAGE PILOTS SOUTH OF LIMA GOLF FOR 19R
KILLERMAN TRE in the Sim for the 733 THE DON,BIG SIGN ON his Glass office Door, DO NOT DISTURB as a DFO !!!!.
His last posting was as an Ops inspector with the regulator in UK. hmmmm.
He could not lead from the front,though an aviator he never got flying in Los,after he did the course, Nov 2006, NG full course with 733 differences,no validation from the regulator in Nigeria,He flew the desk when he was in Los.
I guess his dooms day was when he started to turn on Line Pilots.
The Golden rule with these Foreign Managers is that,they seem to forget,
that you have to take on board the Locals.....if you try to make them feel inadequate..... for no reason,you will not succeed.Surely NOT.
HOPE HIS REPLACEMNET HAS AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE ROPES OF HOW TO MANAGE PILOTS SOUTH OF LIMA GOLF FOR 19R
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If i'm to base my comments on what i see, my comments wont go down well here.
I cant help but notice that you (HotMj) joined pprune in 2001 and this is your second comment?
What happened man? Too busy? It is my deduction that something certainly stirred up your reaction to comment after 6 years.
A direct victim of the DFO i guess? Well, none of my business!
Just had to make an observation.
I cant help but notice that you (HotMj) joined pprune in 2001 and this is your second comment?
What happened man? Too busy? It is my deduction that something certainly stirred up your reaction to comment after 6 years.
A direct victim of the DFO i guess? Well, none of my business!
Just had to make an observation.
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Flying Bucket,
the truth never changes,be it yesterday today or at the end of it all.
I guess i had to relate the facts,as they were put to me,being a victim or not
has no role here.It is what is best for our Nigerian Aviation in this new wind of change blowing,that matters.
the truth never changes,be it yesterday today or at the end of it all.
I guess i had to relate the facts,as they were put to me,being a victim or not
has no role here.It is what is best for our Nigerian Aviation in this new wind of change blowing,that matters.
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NDB,
I know you're itching for some raw jist! But on this occasion, we'll let sleeping dogs lie.
Fact is, in another 10 years at tops, we'll be in control and that's what matters. Patience my friend!
I know you're itching for some raw jist! But on this occasion, we'll let sleeping dogs lie.
Fact is, in another 10 years at tops, we'll be in control and that's what matters. Patience my friend!
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Flying Bucket,
no jist is required,remember the Man that they said it was only his head that could fit all the Caps !!!! well it did not take 10 years for him to do a Radial 155 departure,we will call you.
We are ready now to get invloved in flight ops management. No astronaut school requirement is needed,it is just a question of being honest and knocking out the old ways of OKJ A Boy departure,and adopting the new ways of world Aviation,it is not Rocket science.
Look what is happening,in the NEW Ncaa.......Flight Ops management should follow.
Our Country needs us.
no jist is required,remember the Man that they said it was only his head that could fit all the Caps !!!! well it did not take 10 years for him to do a Radial 155 departure,we will call you.
We are ready now to get invloved in flight ops management. No astronaut school requirement is needed,it is just a question of being honest and knocking out the old ways of OKJ A Boy departure,and adopting the new ways of world Aviation,it is not Rocket science.
Look what is happening,in the NEW Ncaa.......Flight Ops management should follow.
Our Country needs us.
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He Left?no Way
I do not want to believe that CAPT IRONSIDES could leave VK,It really is very interesting when we all forget that the only permanent thing in life is CHANGE and that EVIL continues to thrive when the good see bad and decide to look the other way in other words WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND.We must all remember as mere mortals to be fair and just in all we do becos we are all as they say pencil in the eyes of the good LORD; For the VK crew i congratulate you for finally regaining your right to be free and heard in an otherwise fantastic organisation,now that you have removed the tin GODS and thier CRONIES who had thier own personal agenda to the detriment of your corporate organisation ,Keep the flag flying ALUTA CONTINUA
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If you ask me, i think truly, what goes around, does come around!
Those that live by the sword, shall die by it!!
A master that sets out to build a castle, and breaks the pillars, will have his castle destroyed!!!
Like all else, the one thing in life that's constant, is CHANGE!!!!
As we have all seen in this typical VK story, everyone gets whats coming to them.
Lets all tread carefully in future, you never know what might happen to you, it might be you next!!!!!
Those that live by the sword, shall die by it!!
A master that sets out to build a castle, and breaks the pillars, will have his castle destroyed!!!
Like all else, the one thing in life that's constant, is CHANGE!!!!
As we have all seen in this typical VK story, everyone gets whats coming to them.
Lets all tread carefully in future, you never know what might happen to you, it might be you next!!!!!
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My Brother,
you have said it as it is, i hope the message you have sent out will be taken onboard,you will be surprised how quick Pilots forget or say it will not happen to me. Happy Landings south of LG
you have said it as it is, i hope the message you have sent out will be taken onboard,you will be surprised how quick Pilots forget or say it will not happen to me. Happy Landings south of LG
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Virgin DFO
Virgin Nigeria had a good start with A320,A340, and a world class Airline. A World class Airline,was on display to the world. All Branson wanted was yet another backdoor to Newyork.
Nigeria amongst the top 10 largest oil producers, SHOULD have an airline like emirates,kuwait, or perhaps Etihad. Branson lost nothing, as published in the flight international magazine a few months a go "major Losses from Nigerian flag carrier Virgin Nigeria" Nigeria, incured all the losses, brason got all the profits
Nigerian Aviators expected a lot more from Virgin,after increasing accidents,and aging aircrafts. Pilot training could have been done in much cheeper centers,but yet it had to be GECAT for double the price.
The world class airline ended up with B737 classics,only a few years younger that bellview B737-200. Today virgin Nigeria operates only 3 B737-300, and 2 B767.
A Big shame to Nigeria,and not to Virgin,as in Virgin Blue,and Virgin America.
The politics between the Ex-Nigerian Airways, and the private sector pilots also played a big role in this world class airline.
Today it all falls back on Nigeria,when all the expats are gone else where south of Lima Alpha Golf, to set up more failure flag carriers.
I wish Nigeria All The Best, Great Country,but It can only be done by Nigerian themselves, and not expats. Gud luck Nigeria in trying to stir this sinking ship in the right direction.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nigeria amongst the top 10 largest oil producers, SHOULD have an airline like emirates,kuwait, or perhaps Etihad. Branson lost nothing, as published in the flight international magazine a few months a go "major Losses from Nigerian flag carrier Virgin Nigeria" Nigeria, incured all the losses, brason got all the profits
Nigerian Aviators expected a lot more from Virgin,after increasing accidents,and aging aircrafts. Pilot training could have been done in much cheeper centers,but yet it had to be GECAT for double the price.
The world class airline ended up with B737 classics,only a few years younger that bellview B737-200. Today virgin Nigeria operates only 3 B737-300, and 2 B767.
A Big shame to Nigeria,and not to Virgin,as in Virgin Blue,and Virgin America.
The politics between the Ex-Nigerian Airways, and the private sector pilots also played a big role in this world class airline.
Today it all falls back on Nigeria,when all the expats are gone else where south of Lima Alpha Golf, to set up more failure flag carriers.
I wish Nigeria All The Best, Great Country,but It can only be done by Nigerian themselves, and not expats. Gud luck Nigeria in trying to stir this sinking ship in the right direction.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
skygod..........
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So do I read this correct? A rather strict pilot manager has been 'forced' out because of his unpopularity with the pilots for being a 'hard man'. And there is general rejoicing and jollity that life is going to be easier and better under a local replacement? And this is what Nigeria needs, for the good of Nigeria?
Well I hate to prick any hopeful wishes, but I think it is difficult to deny aviation has been a bit of a disaster in Nigeria in recent years. I can name a couple of airlines where dreadful accidents occured that should have been avoided. I think pilots there need all the top quality training they can get, and if GECAT is a bit more expensive, then some would say 'worth every penny!'. There is a reason many people won't step on certain crewed airliners there. Maybe now when the cat's away, the mice will play, but I think the cat was trying to make the mice better at being mice. Did the task prove too big for him? Is there an element of racism here: the joy of getting rid of a non-Nigerian manager? Non-national managers are a fact of life everywhere else, believe it or not. What you must understand is what is most important: the quality of the management, not the nationality or colour! And if Nigeria at the moment needs a lift up to improve its appalling safety figures, then maybe getting rid of someone who is 'hard' isn't such a good idea?
Well I hate to prick any hopeful wishes, but I think it is difficult to deny aviation has been a bit of a disaster in Nigeria in recent years. I can name a couple of airlines where dreadful accidents occured that should have been avoided. I think pilots there need all the top quality training they can get, and if GECAT is a bit more expensive, then some would say 'worth every penny!'. There is a reason many people won't step on certain crewed airliners there. Maybe now when the cat's away, the mice will play, but I think the cat was trying to make the mice better at being mice. Did the task prove too big for him? Is there an element of racism here: the joy of getting rid of a non-Nigerian manager? Non-national managers are a fact of life everywhere else, believe it or not. What you must understand is what is most important: the quality of the management, not the nationality or colour! And if Nigeria at the moment needs a lift up to improve its appalling safety figures, then maybe getting rid of someone who is 'hard' isn't such a good idea?
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Rainboe,
the Manager in Question had no clue,and i believe felt being the hardman was a very good way of concealing this fact.Training and standards
with Gcat was not the issue,i believe the Pilot training has moved to Alteon Gatwick,as opposed to going to what may be considered easier training facilities around the world.
One has to be careful,their are a lot of fakes, parading themselves as good Robust JAR qualified management personnel, some how they all seem to appear in Africa.Especially in countries like Nigeria that are trying to bring aviation out of the dark ages.
the Manager in Question had no clue,and i believe felt being the hardman was a very good way of concealing this fact.Training and standards
with Gcat was not the issue,i believe the Pilot training has moved to Alteon Gatwick,as opposed to going to what may be considered easier training facilities around the world.
One has to be careful,their are a lot of fakes, parading themselves as good Robust JAR qualified management personnel, some how they all seem to appear in Africa.Especially in countries like Nigeria that are trying to bring aviation out of the dark ages.
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SkyGod,
some factual corrections to your piece,The classics at VK are down to 5 now,once 7.They are leased from GECAS,having come from Easy Jet,year of manufacture 1999,Easy had them off the Boeing production line as well all know. Not quite in the Bellview 732 grouping.
some factual corrections to your piece,The classics at VK are down to 5 now,once 7.They are leased from GECAS,having come from Easy Jet,year of manufacture 1999,Easy had them off the Boeing production line as well all know. Not quite in the Bellview 732 grouping.
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I gather the nepotistic Nigerian aviation system produced pilots that could not hack flying the Big Bus.
The only "back door" seems to be the Guys that got into VS mainline when the ship went down.
The grining Bearded one from Crawley was nieve in the extreme.
I stand to be corrected
The only "back door" seems to be the Guys that got into VS mainline when the ship went down.
The grining Bearded one from Crawley was nieve in the extreme.
I stand to be corrected
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Dogma,
not nice words,have you had the Nigerian Experience......Rome was not built in a day.I was not aware VS had a back door.My understanding was when the Big Bus went,VS interviewed Bus Pilots,and took on board those that got through their process,hardly the back door considering they were rated,and flying with VS Pilots,same sops,and had JAR paper work, as well as the right to live and work in the EU. Stand to be corrected
not nice words,have you had the Nigerian Experience......Rome was not built in a day.I was not aware VS had a back door.My understanding was when the Big Bus went,VS interviewed Bus Pilots,and took on board those that got through their process,hardly the back door considering they were rated,and flying with VS Pilots,same sops,and had JAR paper work, as well as the right to live and work in the EU. Stand to be corrected