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If VS put the Guys through the normal interview procedures then fair enough. Would imagine that the Skippers would not have bothered to apply? To much of a pay cut.
I am aways an optimist as regards Africa....amazing things happen when politicians are not involved....particularly in Nigeria!
I am aways an optimist as regards Africa....amazing things happen when politicians are not involved....particularly in Nigeria!
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Moderator in the House Please!
"Quote by Dogma"
I gather the nepotistic Nigerian aviation system produced pilots that could not hack flying the Big Bus.
The only "back door" seems to be the Guys that got into VS mainline when the ship went down.
The grining Bearded one from Crawley was nieve in the extreme.
I stand to be corrected
This is out of line Dogma, I am sorry but it bafflles me how comments such as this can be left hanging here.
I suddenly find myself compelled to put up some of this highly misconcepted and very insulting post about Nigerian Pilots in our crew rooms for all to read, it would be nice to let a few of the guys at the local read what our foreign pilots think of us
Dogma insults and then tries to get away with it by saying and I quote " I stand to be corrected"
Come on man!
This is going too far, Damn this, Enough!!! How dare you Sir, with all the Expat Pilots who are making a living, here, Nigeria, Sharing cockpits with my fellow Nigerian Colleagues and I, flying in Aerocontractors, VirginNigeria, Arik, Bellview, Bristow, Mobil, Pan African, Changchangi, and all the Corporate jets now fllooding, you expect people like me to sit down and read this and grin.
Are you saying this is the gist going on at the Bar in the Sheraton behind our backs , it would be sad, if that was the case.
PPRUNE is not the avenue for this kind of statements, Careful Please!
Zazoo
I gather the nepotistic Nigerian aviation system produced pilots that could not hack flying the Big Bus.
The only "back door" seems to be the Guys that got into VS mainline when the ship went down.
The grining Bearded one from Crawley was nieve in the extreme.
I stand to be corrected
This is out of line Dogma, I am sorry but it bafflles me how comments such as this can be left hanging here.
I suddenly find myself compelled to put up some of this highly misconcepted and very insulting post about Nigerian Pilots in our crew rooms for all to read, it would be nice to let a few of the guys at the local read what our foreign pilots think of us
Dogma insults and then tries to get away with it by saying and I quote " I stand to be corrected"
Come on man!
This is going too far, Damn this, Enough!!! How dare you Sir, with all the Expat Pilots who are making a living, here, Nigeria, Sharing cockpits with my fellow Nigerian Colleagues and I, flying in Aerocontractors, VirginNigeria, Arik, Bellview, Bristow, Mobil, Pan African, Changchangi, and all the Corporate jets now fllooding, you expect people like me to sit down and read this and grin.
Are you saying this is the gist going on at the Bar in the Sheraton behind our backs
, it would be sad, if that was the case.PPRUNE is not the avenue for this kind of statements, Careful Please!
Zazoo
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Resent post by Jason Holt on Flight International, concerning E.U Blacklist of Airlines.
Virgin Nigeria – a joint venture between Virgin Atlantic and Nigerian investors – launched services three months ago with a mix of domestic, regional and long-haul routes from its Lagos base. In February, Virgin Nigeria and the Nigerian College of Air Training agreed to co-operate on training pilots and mechanics, with Virgin committing to employ successful graduates.
Virgin Nigeria director of flight operations Jason Holt believes the improvement of the country’s aviation infrastructure is not simply a question of cash, more a question of developing the “absorptive capacity” of the state in terms of the regulatory and technological environment. “There is an acceptance that change is on its way, but it is a slow process,” he admits.
Virgin Nigeria – a joint venture between Virgin Atlantic and Nigerian investors – launched services three months ago with a mix of domestic, regional and long-haul routes from its Lagos base. In February, Virgin Nigeria and the Nigerian College of Air Training agreed to co-operate on training pilots and mechanics, with Virgin committing to employ successful graduates.
Virgin Nigeria director of flight operations Jason Holt believes the improvement of the country’s aviation infrastructure is not simply a question of cash, more a question of developing the “absorptive capacity” of the state in terms of the regulatory and technological environment. “There is an acceptance that change is on its way, but it is a slow process,” he admits.
I am an African, now flying for a major European airline. Some of the terminology used here is, perhaps, unnecessary. Nevertheless, there is no escaping the fact that aviation and it's suppport services in Nigeria are a shambles. A complete an utter shambles. A nation as wealthy as Nigeria should be better, much better, but corruption is endemic with the nepotism at the top keeping the undeserving wealthy.
And it's not likely to get better either.
And it's not likely to get better either.
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It really puzzles me to think you are all worked up about the comments of the less enlightened.
Has it not occured to some of us that some pilots only ever travelled outside their home states because they are now flyers?
I would not budge if i were you all, i have found that silence is sometimes the best answer for the ignorant!
You guys may proceed if you like, but thats just my pennys' worth.
Cheers guys.
Has it not occured to some of us that some pilots only ever travelled outside their home states because they are now flyers?
I would not budge if i were you all, i have found that silence is sometimes the best answer for the ignorant!
You guys may proceed if you like, but thats just my pennys' worth.
Cheers guys.
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Who let this Dog Out!
(excluding Ethiopian, SAA and Comair)"[/B][/U]
Why exclude them Dogma
, oooh boy, your just a big joke man, just like most of your Oyinbo brothers walking around lagos Airport. Total rejects in their homeland.
Go walk your rabbit and let us be.
Dogma Eeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
Wouf Wouf, here boy
Why exclude them Dogma
, oooh boy, your just a big joke man, just like most of your Oyinbo brothers walking around lagos Airport. Total rejects in their homeland.Go walk your rabbit and let us be.
Dogma Eeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
Wouf Wouf, here boy
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PS - I do not work in Africa and never have.
An honest assesment of the cr@p that is African Aviation would be welcome.
(excluding Ethiopian, SAA and Comair)
PS - I do not work in Africa and never have.
An honest assesment of the cr@p that is African Aviation would be welcome.
(excluding Ethiopian, SAA and Comair)
We are sober mate, we dont do that stuff here
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Dogma...... An honest opinion of the aviation sector in africa is guys like you are not here
and that says a lot of our standards (improved since the days we would have hired people like you). VK has had expat managers in the past and have done ok now i think its time to try a local hand at the job (ONLY IF QUALIFIED) Aero has been doing it for years and they are well recognised in the international community as a "standard operator". I am not all out guns blazzing for a local manager at all costs coz the wrong person will ruin what has the potential to be a great airline.
All the guys at VK fly safe
and that says a lot of our standards (improved since the days we would have hired people like you). VK has had expat managers in the past and have done ok now i think its time to try a local hand at the job (ONLY IF QUALIFIED) Aero has been doing it for years and they are well recognised in the international community as a "standard operator". I am not all out guns blazzing for a local manager at all costs coz the wrong person will ruin what has the potential to be a great airline. All the guys at VK fly safe
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Having said that all, look at what our own (local) managers ended doing in the begining of Vk? They self destructed!!!!
Quite typical of the average african.
It is my opinion that the STAR brings a capable hand to run the affairs of operations be he local or foriegn.
I would lean towards the foriegners because they know not one of us personally, therefore, their judgements are purely professional and nothing else. Less biased and focused on the job to be done, not on each other.
Obviously we have to swallow the bitter pill and realize we are'nt ready yet to be self ruled!!!!
Quite typical of the average african.It is my opinion that the STAR brings a capable hand to run the affairs of operations be he local or foriegn.
I would lean towards the foriegners because they know not one of us personally, therefore, their judgements are purely professional and nothing else. Less biased and focused on the job to be done, not on each other.
Obviously we have to swallow the bitter pill and realize we are'nt ready yet to be self ruled!!!!
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Long john....Mr B admitting where he is, cannot come and say things can never change,on the basis of what i imagine he picks up from his present enviromentAL CHIT CHAT ......
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Hotmj,
May i please stand as excused?
I didnt understand what you were saying earlier
, just got the picture.
Fortunately for me, i have learnt to ignore those with shallow views of themselves, it obviously reflects on their opinions of others.
Mr. B is entitled to air his a**hole if he so feels, and thats exactly how i view his comments.
May i please stand as excused?
I didnt understand what you were saying earlier
, just got the picture.Fortunately for me, i have learnt to ignore those with shallow views of themselves, it obviously reflects on their opinions of others.
Mr. B is entitled to air his a**hole if he so feels, and thats exactly how i view his comments.
hotmj43,
Because its Africa in general, and Nigeria in particular. 'Want' and 'get' are not nearly the same thing!
So what has got better? Nigeria has been 'independent' since 1961, so has had plenty of time, and as the most populous country in Africa it has done little but supply a succession of incompetent military 'governments'. Without oil money it would have sunk without trace long ago. It's barely afloat now.
LongJohnThomas,
You're really a cultured fellow aren't you? The truth hurts when it hits home doesn't it? Have you ever considered how others might view your comments? Sticks and stones pal! On your bike and pedal away!
Mr B why should it not get better ? if we all desire change the wider pilot body and flying public want it......
Mr B admitting where he is, cannot come and say things can never change,on the basis of what i imagine he picks up from his present enviromentAL CHIT CHAT ......
LongJohnThomas,
Fortunately for me, i have learnt to ignore those with shallow views of themselves, it obviously reflects on their opinions of others.
Mr. B is entitled to air his a**hole if he so feels, and thats exactly how i view his comments.
Mr. B is entitled to air his a**hole if he so feels, and thats exactly how i view his comments.
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Mr B,
You know your comments baffle me?!
I cant see the relationship between the DFO @ Vk leaving and your personal frustration with the political situation in NIGERIA??!!!!
If you were Nigerian and opened a thread citing your observation, i can quite undersatnd that.
But, here you are moaning about Nigeria being independent, having oil money, being run by the military, being corrupt and all, etc. I would assume you think Nigeria's political position is caused by the pilots'? Or that Nigerian pilots are in a good position to change things all by themselves?
I hardly see what that has got to do with this thread mate?
If you feel so badly about Nigeria, go there and make the change to your heart's desire, eh?? Since it seems you are the one with all Nigeria's solutions!
I have no need to engage you in a word fight, but please keep the right comments in the right threads, thats all i'm saying here.
This thread is about how Nigerian pilots wishing to change the professional and social culture of aviation in Nigeria, not the GOVERNMENT!!!!!!
You know your comments baffle me?!
I cant see the relationship between the DFO @ Vk leaving and your personal frustration with the political situation in NIGERIA??!!!!
If you were Nigerian and opened a thread citing your observation, i can quite undersatnd that.
But, here you are moaning about Nigeria being independent, having oil money, being run by the military, being corrupt and all, etc. I would assume you think Nigeria's political position is caused by the pilots'? Or that Nigerian pilots are in a good position to change things all by themselves?
I hardly see what that has got to do with this thread mate?
If you feel so badly about Nigeria, go there and make the change to your heart's desire, eh?? Since it seems you are the one with all Nigeria's solutions!
I have no need to engage you in a word fight, but please keep the right comments in the right threads, thats all i'm saying here.
This thread is about how Nigerian pilots wishing to change the professional and social culture of aviation in Nigeria, not the GOVERNMENT!!!!!!
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