Prepared to work for Nothing!!!!!!
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Prepared to work for Nothing!!!!!!
Hi Guys
I am currently looking into becoming a Commercial Pilot and I intend to complete my training in South Africa.
I like to think that I am pretty much up to speed regarding the requirements to become a Com Pilot but more importantly I feel I have a pretty realistic outlook on employment from reading many of the threads and having friends in the business
A lot of people are gaining their Com in SA and looking at working in Botswana and other parts of Africa. Starting with single pistons aircraft and working their way up. This is a great approach if you are young and have time on your hands
I have another idea / thought and I would like feedback from you guys please.
Once I have completed my Com I was thinking of getting my Caravan rating and approaching a company with the following offer
The company signs me up for 2 months with no pay and after this period access my performance / attitude and see if they would like to keep me on.
Although I am very keen to fly single piston engines in Botswana I also feel I need to get a head start on my career.
I need to stress that I am by no means rich but I have been fortunate enough to save enough money to finance this idea
I know this approach has been discussed before with mixed reviews but I interested to know if there are companies, particularly in Africa, that would be interested in this proposal.
Any feedback will be greatly appreciated
Thanks
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I am currently looking into becoming a Commercial Pilot and I intend to complete my training in South Africa.
I like to think that I am pretty much up to speed regarding the requirements to become a Com Pilot but more importantly I feel I have a pretty realistic outlook on employment from reading many of the threads and having friends in the business
A lot of people are gaining their Com in SA and looking at working in Botswana and other parts of Africa. Starting with single pistons aircraft and working their way up. This is a great approach if you are young and have time on your hands
I have another idea / thought and I would like feedback from you guys please.
Once I have completed my Com I was thinking of getting my Caravan rating and approaching a company with the following offer
The company signs me up for 2 months with no pay and after this period access my performance / attitude and see if they would like to keep me on.
Although I am very keen to fly single piston engines in Botswana I also feel I need to get a head start on my career.
I need to stress that I am by no means rich but I have been fortunate enough to save enough money to finance this idea
I know this approach has been discussed before with mixed reviews but I interested to know if there are companies, particularly in Africa, that would be interested in this proposal.
Any feedback will be greatly appreciated
Thanks
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Be careful here!! Nothing upsets the market like a Pilot who is willing to work for nothing. And why should you work fo rnothing? You have a professional (will have) qualification.
Training Bond - yes, work for free - no!
Training Bond - yes, work for free - no!
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This is a great approach if you are young and have time on your hands
Taken at face value your posts might suggest a silver-spoon lifestyle thus far, but bear in mind most guys have families to support and commercial flying is a career not a hobby.
Part of me thought you might be a BS merchant at first but having checked your previous posts I'd suggest you're misguided. You might get some stick from the guys in this forum but please take to heart what they're saying and hopefully you will change your ideas.
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This thread is going places... what a controversial post...
I dont think you are misguided about anything other than your future peers, the value of money, your self respect, and perhaps life, people and and and...... You're not going to make any friends... anywhere if you go telling everyone that...
For one thing I wouldnt want to work for an operator who is happy to pay you... nothing. Must surely say something about him/her.
Secondly, I suppose it may seem like a solution and perhaps it is for you, however, dont forget that while flying may seem like lots of fun and warm the cockles of your heart for now, it will become your job and you will end up wondering why you sold your soul like that.
Thirdly, do you expect to get respect from your employer?
Fourthly, I wouldnt "employ" you for that. What interest do you have in working properly...? Money has to play a part!
Fifth... why dont you at least try and get a job with a salary? Are you that unconfident?
Sixth... EVERYONES impression must be that life has been easy for you.
Maybe you made money easily, maybe you were given it, whatever, but if you want to "fly for nothing" then spend some money on advanced training, buy an aircraft.. .whatever, but your idea isnt a great one and sounds like you are spoilt - even if you are not!
Seventh... Self respect... did I say that before?
Eigth... have you forgotten how hard it is to make money in the first place?
Th list goes on... wanna hear more?
I dont think you are misguided about anything other than your future peers, the value of money, your self respect, and perhaps life, people and and and...... You're not going to make any friends... anywhere if you go telling everyone that...
For one thing I wouldnt want to work for an operator who is happy to pay you... nothing. Must surely say something about him/her.
Secondly, I suppose it may seem like a solution and perhaps it is for you, however, dont forget that while flying may seem like lots of fun and warm the cockles of your heart for now, it will become your job and you will end up wondering why you sold your soul like that.
Thirdly, do you expect to get respect from your employer?
Fourthly, I wouldnt "employ" you for that. What interest do you have in working properly...? Money has to play a part!
Fifth... why dont you at least try and get a job with a salary? Are you that unconfident?
Sixth... EVERYONES impression must be that life has been easy for you.
Maybe you made money easily, maybe you were given it, whatever, but if you want to "fly for nothing" then spend some money on advanced training, buy an aircraft.. .whatever, but your idea isnt a great one and sounds like you are spoilt - even if you are not!
Seventh... Self respect... did I say that before?
Eigth... have you forgotten how hard it is to make money in the first place?
Th list goes on... wanna hear more?
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Guys
Before any ones get mored here, I would like to point out a few things
I am not rich and do not come from a wealthy background
I am a firm believer in exploring all options, “doing your homework” as they say, hence this thread. There is nothing worse than following path and later realising that you had other options open to you
So the reason for this thread is to get feedback from people/pilots in the business who have been through what I expect to go through one day.
This thread is purely for research and was not intended to wind anybody up or upset anyone
I would prefer you come back to me with your, as apposed to following this possible idea
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Before any ones get mored here, I would like to point out a few things
I am not rich and do not come from a wealthy background
I am a firm believer in exploring all options, “doing your homework” as they say, hence this thread. There is nothing worse than following path and later realising that you had other options open to you
So the reason for this thread is to get feedback from people/pilots in the business who have been through what I expect to go through one day.
This thread is purely for research and was not intended to wind anybody up or upset anyone
I would prefer you come back to me with your, as apposed to following this possible idea
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I would say that the "research" is complete looking at the replies up until now 
but without being rude to the poor fellow - guess it is more ignorance than anything else.
but without being rude to the poor fellow - guess it is more ignorance than anything else.
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Working in the aviation industry:
1. We work weird shifts…Like prostitutes
2. They pay you to make the client happy… Like a prostitute
3. You are rewarded for fulfilling the client’s dreams… Like a prostitute
4. Your friends fall apart and you end up hanging out with people in the same profession as you… Like a prostitute
5. When you have to meet the client you always have to be perfectly groomed… Like a prostitute
6. But when you go back home it seems like you are coming back from hell… Like a prostitute
7. The client always wants to pay less but expects incredible things from you… Like a prostitute
8. When people ask you about your job, you have difficulties to explain it… Like a prostitute
9. Everyday when you wake up, you say: “I’M NOT GOING TO SPEND THE REST OF MY LIFE DOING THIS” … Like a prostitute
REMARKS: The only difference is the prostitutes can take Christmas and New Year’s Eve off and they actually DO make a lot of money!!!
If you know someone in the aviation industry please shares this with them so they don’t feel bad anymore… Like a prostitute
1. We work weird shifts…Like prostitutes
2. They pay you to make the client happy… Like a prostitute
3. You are rewarded for fulfilling the client’s dreams… Like a prostitute
4. Your friends fall apart and you end up hanging out with people in the same profession as you… Like a prostitute
5. When you have to meet the client you always have to be perfectly groomed… Like a prostitute
6. But when you go back home it seems like you are coming back from hell… Like a prostitute
7. The client always wants to pay less but expects incredible things from you… Like a prostitute
8. When people ask you about your job, you have difficulties to explain it… Like a prostitute
9. Everyday when you wake up, you say: “I’M NOT GOING TO SPEND THE REST OF MY LIFE DOING THIS” … Like a prostitute
REMARKS: The only difference is the prostitutes can take Christmas and New Year’s Eve off and they actually DO make a lot of money!!!
If you know someone in the aviation industry please shares this with them so they don’t feel bad anymore… Like a prostitute
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I.r.pirate
""""1. We work weird shifts…Like prostitutes
2. They pay you to make the client happy… Like a prostitute
3. You are rewarded for fulfilling the client’s dreams… Like a prostitute
4. Your friends fall apart and you end up hanging out with people in the same profession as you… Like a prostitute
5. When you have to meet the client you always have to be perfectly groomed… Like a prostitute
6. But when you go back home it seems like you are coming back from hell… Like a prostitute
7. The client always wants to pay less but expects incredible things from you… Like a prostitute
8. When people ask you about your job, you have difficulties to explain it… Like a prostitute
9. Everyday when you wake up, you say: “I’M NOT GOING TO SPEND THE REST OF MY LIFE DOING THIS” … Like a prostitute """"""
Speek for your self I.R.PIRATE .
This is who are you .Not the pilots category.
Riccardo Volante
2. They pay you to make the client happy… Like a prostitute
3. You are rewarded for fulfilling the client’s dreams… Like a prostitute
4. Your friends fall apart and you end up hanging out with people in the same profession as you… Like a prostitute
5. When you have to meet the client you always have to be perfectly groomed… Like a prostitute
6. But when you go back home it seems like you are coming back from hell… Like a prostitute
7. The client always wants to pay less but expects incredible things from you… Like a prostitute
8. When people ask you about your job, you have difficulties to explain it… Like a prostitute
9. Everyday when you wake up, you say: “I’M NOT GOING TO SPEND THE REST OF MY LIFE DOING THIS” … Like a prostitute """"""
Speek for your self I.R.PIRATE .
This is who are you .Not the pilots category.
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Volante - what are you talking about?
This is a fun forum as well my friend - and I thought IR's quip was rather amusing - a bit of light humour and in many respects quite true
This is a fun forum as well my friend - and I thought IR's quip was rather amusing - a bit of light humour and in many respects quite true
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Está servira para distraerle.
Well, actually, the man has a perfectly valid point which could be worth exploring in greater detail.
There might be many on the recruitment side of things who would never give this chap a job under the circumstances painted in his picture. This would be quite simply because the man is fairly obviously financially independent. Airlines absolutely detest employing pilots who are not equally absolutely desperate for a monthly salary cheque. If one does not have to have the job, the likelihood of finding it is immensely prejudiced.
The solution to this first quandary could be quite simple. Go ahead with the plan as far as finishing the type rating is concerned. This, of course, was funded by an aged relative's bequest? Having blown the inheritance from the dear little old aunt who lived in Potchefstrrom, one is devastatingly poor and must have the job to support one's mother, sister, dominie or Battersea dogs' home. Never admit to anything other than dependence hinging on the munificence of the airline's largesse.
In essence, what he is proposing to do here is no different from that which literally hundreds of pilots do up north when they pay for their own type ratings. Having put a 767 or whatever on the licence, they do in fact fly for nothing, for months on end whilst they pay back the loan taken out to fund said type rating. Certainly this pilot might be paid while flying but it is only payment on account. A realist would have difficulty finding the hair to put between either example. Each case, in its own way, is an example of the prostitution of labour.
No, what could do for 15SQN might be matters of minor importance such as work permits, residence permits or licence issue without citizenship. It is also just remotely possible that the attitudes behind an idea such as this might appear somewhat inimical to South Africans known, how shall one say, for preferring the gritty to the nitty?
As a small aside, it does occur to one that most pilots one knows cannot wait to get their legs in the air. Sadly, the same enthusiasm for wide bodied adventure, even motivated by the promise of substantial remuneration is decidedly lacking in those prostitutes of one's acquaintance, and there are many!
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PRO's and cons
Ouch.
I.R P. you hit the nail on the head ................and it hurts...some
Young?chap, who wants to fly for free..a big NO NO.
Why sell your soul for free when you can at least get something for it.
Or do you not trust your abilities?
I lest school 3 years before I got my first job..HARD but worth the wait.
I still have my dignity intact.
Where there's a will......... fill in the gaps
I.R P. you hit the nail on the head ................and it hurts...some
Young?chap, who wants to fly for free..a big NO NO.
Why sell your soul for free when you can at least get something for it.
Or do you not trust your abilities?
I lest school 3 years before I got my first job..HARD but worth the wait.
I still have my dignity intact.
Where there's a will......... fill in the gaps