English Proficiency Test
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English Proficiency Test
I would just like to know why we have to do this test if we have a matric certificate saying we passed english 20 and somewhat years ago. I heard the test charges at some places are in the region of R650.00 for somebody to tell you what you already know. 
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when does this come into effect? do english speaking crew have to do it? my spelling is s
it! i will probably fail
Jokes asside though, when will this be enforced and where do you write? CAA? Was at cranfield last month and they recon that they may end up doing it?
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it! i will probably fail Jokes asside though, when will this be enforced and where do you write? CAA? Was at cranfield last month and they recon that they may end up doing it?Dog
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Hond.(Hound).
Asked the same question at work the other day and was informed that if you have a SA matric, you are exemt from the exam....just have to produce the cirtificate and you are apparently credited.
I do have it on authority that all the guys who chirp on pprune are going to have their spelling checked and that should you have passed the test thu one of the schools, and it is found you are unable to spell, your test shall be found to be null and void.(unless of course you pay in Tassies).
Goffel...(still not sure where I am at).
Asked the same question at work the other day and was informed that if you have a SA matric, you are exemt from the exam....just have to produce the cirtificate and you are apparently credited.
I do have it on authority that all the guys who chirp on pprune are going to have their spelling checked and that should you have passed the test thu one of the schools, and it is found you are unable to spell, your test shall be found to be null and void.(unless of course you pay in Tassies).
Goffel...(still not sure where I am at).
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Hound...(Hon'd).
Im busy writing out the new matric exams as we speak..(sorry, type).
Do you mind helping me set the exams...(but dont expect one in return, unless of course you pay for it).
15 mins...hmmmmmmm, bit long would you not say.
I must admit, it is a good laugh for us poor idiots that live here, went to school and now must prove we can speak our mother tongue.
Eisch...
Im busy writing out the new matric exams as we speak..(sorry, type).
Do you mind helping me set the exams...(but dont expect one in return, unless of course you pay for it).
15 mins...hmmmmmmm, bit long would you not say.
I must admit, it is a good laugh for us poor idiots that live here, went to school and now must prove we can speak our mother tongue.
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My dear fellow......now that is certainly not the way to rip off a poor invidulator........it genuinely has fearful repocussions as to whether you attain an A or an F...(presently, you have dropped to a G).
But alas, all is not lost....Contract Dog, bless his bone, is working on a complete new set of quesies.
Goffel..
My dear fellow......now that is certainly not the way to rip off a poor invidulator........it genuinely has fearful repocussions as to whether you attain an A or an F...(presently, you have dropped to a G).
But alas, all is not lost....Contract Dog, bless his bone, is working on a complete new set of quesies.
Goffel..
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I sent an e-mail to the CAA rep in the AIC and was told that all present and future pilots will have to do a 40 min English proficiency test , ICAO requirement. This will cost in the region of R650 at C at FALA.
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It is getting crazy! I have to bump off pax now just to make space for all the paper work we have to carry, ends up costing a fortune! Is passing the CAA exams "IN ENGLISH" not good enough? How can you pass those and not understand english????? I c a lot of thought went into this one. Well done CAA!!!!!!!!
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Reminds me of the old saying "Wunce opon a time I coerren even spel 'enjinear'* and now I are wun"
*(Enjinears please sustitute "pileot" if so desired)
I believe the ICAO date for compliance is March 2008....
*(Enjinears please sustitute "pileot" if so desired)
I believe the ICAO date for compliance is March 2008....
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True, suitcase, but
True, but is this a world wide trend? It doesn't really help if I know what I'm saying but the ATC in some foreign language speaking country or aircraft doesn't. Years back in Angola the guys were speaking english, portuguese and russian all at the same (probably hasn't changed) so an english proficiency exam wouldn't have been much good anyway.
What about foreign licenced pilots and aircraft coming in to SA? Surely they are more of a problem than guys who went through the system here?
I haven't yet met a pilot starting out who didn't go into some of our neighbouring countries and think the ATC was speaking a different language. Just the accents alone can make the words sound foreign. Maybe we should get elocution lessons too?
And I'm not against the idea of it altogether, its paying the big bucks to be told I'm proficient in my mother tongue that irks me.
In reality it should be incorporated into the General Radio Licence exam. If you don't have the radio licence you can't get the flying licence anyway.
What about foreign licenced pilots and aircraft coming in to SA? Surely they are more of a problem than guys who went through the system here?
I haven't yet met a pilot starting out who didn't go into some of our neighbouring countries and think the ATC was speaking a different language. Just the accents alone can make the words sound foreign. Maybe we should get elocution lessons too?
And I'm not against the idea of it altogether, its paying the big bucks to be told I'm proficient in my mother tongue that irks me.
In reality it should be incorporated into the General Radio Licence exam. If you don't have the radio licence you can't get the flying licence anyway.
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The English language proficiency test is an interview aimed at assessing your standard of English in the aviation context.It is an ICAO requirement for all ATC's and pilots to be assessed before March 2008.The motivation behind the test is to try and reduce the number of accidents/incidents caused by misunderstandings the can occur in RT communication.It is not a written exam but rather a 30 min. verbal interview.
Está servira para distraerle.
Sounds quite similar to the verbal radio examination which used to form part of the General Radio Licence?
In an effort to attempt to raise South African semantic standards, where does on go to apply for a position as examiner?
Está servira para distraerle.
Actually, it's a specific South African requirement initiated with relevance only to those whose primary language is English. All those who may claim to have English as a second language will, no doubt, in practice if not in policy, be exempted from the requirement.
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R650 times
R650 times a couple of thousand is going into the millions. A lot of dough to be made out of chatting to someone for thirty minutes. But it will eliminate a lot of confusion and bring a sense of order to the skies, such as:
Pilot: Aircraft X declaring an emergency.
ATC: Please state the nature of the emergency.
Pilot: We've lost an engine.
ATC: Due to the double meaning of that statement we will not deal with the emergency at this moment. Please attend an english proficiency exam and then get back to us.
Pilot: Aircraft X declaring an emergency.
ATC: Please state the nature of the emergency.
Pilot: We've lost an engine.
ATC: Due to the double meaning of that statement we will not deal with the emergency at this moment. Please attend an english proficiency exam and then get back to us.
Está servira para distraerle.
In order to avoid such ambiguity the correct phraseology for engine failure will now be changed to something along the following lines?
ATC: Please state the nature....
Pilot: The...engine...is...broken.
That works, does it not?