South African Airways hiring / expanding this year?
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Are SAA about to hire?
Rumours,rumours,rumours.....hear via the grape-vine that SAA are about to open their doors and employ. Anyone hear the same. With A340's returning from lease etc.....they're finding themselves a little short in the pilot pool.
I believe that there are a few cadets ready to join and that the man at the top has given the go-ahead to hire non PDI's........
Let's hope something happens as it's about time for certain guys/gals to get their break
I believe that there are a few cadets ready to join and that the man at the top has given the go-ahead to hire non PDI's........
Let's hope something happens as it's about time for certain guys/gals to get their break
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Dream on......Will never happen. Only if you are female or that dark colour which we will not mention.
If it happens; not worth it as you will never see a command. Exec f/o for ever.
Don''t know why I am so negative? Maybe it is just me?
If it happens; not worth it as you will never see a command. Exec f/o for ever.
Don''t know why I am so negative? Maybe it is just me?
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Interesting, will have to have a chat with Capt J to find out- haven’t heard anything. My inclination would be to suggest that they may have decided that they need extra crew but the wheels of progress on the HR side are fearsome- this may only translate into action in 6 months time!! Secondly the 343’s returning will not add capacity as they are just taking over from the retiring 744’s so there will be no requirement for additional crew for them.
Lastly I think it would be premature to hire now simply because the future fleet plan is only due for completion towards the end of the year- the aircraft being talked about are not in the fleet currently and so it would be prudent to try and avoid unnecessary training costs. In saying that the lead time for these aircraft may nullify this point and operation considerations may win the day- especially as there will be 2 new long haul destinations being launched next year- this is a high priority issue and if more crew is needed to make this happen then take it as guaranteed that SAA will hire.
Interesting times
Lastly I think it would be premature to hire now simply because the future fleet plan is only due for completion towards the end of the year- the aircraft being talked about are not in the fleet currently and so it would be prudent to try and avoid unnecessary training costs. In saying that the lead time for these aircraft may nullify this point and operation considerations may win the day- especially as there will be 2 new long haul destinations being launched next year- this is a high priority issue and if more crew is needed to make this happen then take it as guaranteed that SAA will hire.
Interesting times
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Ketek, it's all very well being negative and I can see your point...but every now and again there is a glimmer of hope for certain individuals wanting to fly for the National Carrier. Funny how said individuals' phones rang last week.....!!!
Anyway DJ thanks for the info. Had a read during the course of the week (in the Star), that SAA is going to fly directly to the US....more frequencies to be added to certain destinations and more destinations to be included in the network. If this is so then surely this means more aircraft = more crew = more employment.
You seem to be in the know...so if you can shed any more light it would be most welcome to quell the rumours floating around.
Interesting times.......indeed......
Anyway DJ thanks for the info. Had a read during the course of the week (in the Star), that SAA is going to fly directly to the US....more frequencies to be added to certain destinations and more destinations to be included in the network. If this is so then surely this means more aircraft = more crew = more employment.
You seem to be in the know...so if you can shed any more light it would be most welcome to quell the rumours floating around.
Interesting times.......indeed......
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Beech, SAA will operate the southbound sectors direct form the USA- but not all of them.
You are quite correct there will definitely be a new destination added in North America- no prizes for guessing where. Just a quick thank you to DL here for forcing the chief’s hand to move this forward by a year. Don’t want to spill all the beans but there is no doubt that we will need extra crew going forward- its just going to depend on the speed of implementation. We have enough capacity to launch what we want next year- after that its all up to when we get the aircraft. In the mean time additional utilization may force the door open. We lined up a juicy wet lease for one of the 744’s that we had to shelve because we didn’t have enough crew to operate the schedule our partner wanted (It will now operate CPT LHR over the peak season instead so it wasn’t too bad I suppose)- perhaps this may be the catalyst.
You are so right, attitudes will soon change when the phone starts to ring.
You are quite correct there will definitely be a new destination added in North America- no prizes for guessing where. Just a quick thank you to DL here for forcing the chief’s hand to move this forward by a year. Don’t want to spill all the beans but there is no doubt that we will need extra crew going forward- its just going to depend on the speed of implementation. We have enough capacity to launch what we want next year- after that its all up to when we get the aircraft. In the mean time additional utilization may force the door open. We lined up a juicy wet lease for one of the 744’s that we had to shelve because we didn’t have enough crew to operate the schedule our partner wanted (It will now operate CPT LHR over the peak season instead so it wasn’t too bad I suppose)- perhaps this may be the catalyst.
You are so right, attitudes will soon change when the phone starts to ring.
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Come on guys wake up and smell the roses...12 guys in December. Airlines like EK and Cx hire 12 guys every month, cant you see that the writing is on the wall for the future of SAA. Join a real airline and have a real career
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Greetings Frogman,
I think it's a bit far fetch to say''the writing is on the wall for SAA''.I won't go into detail or into a"mudsling contest" but an airline that according to your"gud feel'' is going down , don't become part of the Star Alliance etc.
I just find it really interresting to see the number of days spend by the South African crew flying for Cathay Pacific in South Africa..........couple of days off.......onto a Cathay flight and off to SA. FACT !!
There's no doubt that Cathay is a very fine airline , but to say SAA is not where any youngster-person should be is a very''wide statement''.
Are you not perhaps one of the chaps that did''nt get into SAA on your first attempt and then decided to leave for a jetjob in the far east,but secretly you would have rather stayed on SA soil should your application with the national carrier was successfull? Just asking .......only you know the TRUE answer !
Anyhow I am happy for your sake that you are over the moon living in Hong Kong,because imagine if it was the otherway round and you came back to SA.
As for EK, I won't comment, I don't think PPRUNE is the place to make silly"gud feel" statements !
I think it's a bit far fetch to say''the writing is on the wall for SAA''.I won't go into detail or into a"mudsling contest" but an airline that according to your"gud feel'' is going down , don't become part of the Star Alliance etc.
I just find it really interresting to see the number of days spend by the South African crew flying for Cathay Pacific in South Africa..........couple of days off.......onto a Cathay flight and off to SA. FACT !!
There's no doubt that Cathay is a very fine airline , but to say SAA is not where any youngster-person should be is a very''wide statement''.
Are you not perhaps one of the chaps that did''nt get into SAA on your first attempt and then decided to leave for a jetjob in the far east,but secretly you would have rather stayed on SA soil should your application with the national carrier was successfull? Just asking .......only you know the TRUE answer !
Anyhow I am happy for your sake that you are over the moon living in Hong Kong,because imagine if it was the otherway round and you came back to SA.
As for EK, I won't comment, I don't think PPRUNE is the place to make silly"gud feel" statements !
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It is very true that SAA is good if you want to live in SA, but I do think that if you want to progress alot faster, then EK is best and maybe Cathay 2nd choice. As for SAA - what is progression?
SA used to be a lovely country to live in. Now it is a lovely place for holidays. At least then you are only exposed to the terrible crime for short periods and not all the time.
Statistics show that it is just a matter of time before it happens to YOU and ME. And it is not getting better. Especially if your head of Safety and Security thinks all is cool.......
Anyway...live''s about choices......
SA used to be a lovely country to live in. Now it is a lovely place for holidays. At least then you are only exposed to the terrible crime for short periods and not all the time.
Statistics show that it is just a matter of time before it happens to YOU and ME. And it is not getting better. Especially if your head of Safety and Security thinks all is cool.......
Anyway...live''s about choices......
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Ketek 400 ...well said. South Africa is a lovely country for a Holiday...SAA used to be one of the best jobs around in South Africa. Bianchi I'm sure that you must be happy flying for SAA and so you should be, but can you honestly say to me that the future for a young pilot at SAA looks as rosey as what you might have it...by the way as you can see we can have an open educated conversation on this forum without the mud slinging that you have been doing...maybe the truth hurts!!!
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Frogman,
I am sorry, but I am not sure what mud slinging you are referring to ??
The fact that I said''ain't you one of the chaps that decided to chase a jetjob in the far east, or the FACT that time off at CX, means on your way to SA for Golfiing , surfing,watersking etc"?
Lets us just stick to YOUR orginal statement: the''writing is on the wall for SAA",maybe if you can supply me with some real facts , then maybe I should start applying elsewhere for work! ( who knows I might become your P3?) Go well !
Bianchi
I am sorry, but I am not sure what mud slinging you are referring to ??
The fact that I said''ain't you one of the chaps that decided to chase a jetjob in the far east, or the FACT that time off at CX, means on your way to SA for Golfiing , surfing,watersking etc"?
Lets us just stick to YOUR orginal statement: the''writing is on the wall for SAA",maybe if you can supply me with some real facts , then maybe I should start applying elsewhere for work! ( who knows I might become your P3?) Go well !
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Command out of seniority to start with. The very capable leadership management has shown over the last 10 years is another. The FACT that SAA has started a freight program when the rest of the world airlines have been doing it for years is another, and lastly have a look at the corruption within your airline, the upgrades for a kickback at the check-in counter...ohh what about the blatent stealing that is happening on board the aircraft. Tell me something if the future was looking so great , why are so many guys leaving for Dubai and CX.
I can also give you a fact that yes some guys do go back to SA for Golf Holiday etc, but there are a lot more that do not do it on as frequently as you imply. You can also mention the number of SA guys that have move on a base to Perth or New Zealand and have not hang on to the mother land.
I can also give you a fact that yes some guys do go back to SA for Golf Holiday etc, but there are a lot more that do not do it on as frequently as you imply. You can also mention the number of SA guys that have move on a base to Perth or New Zealand and have not hang on to the mother land.
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Why Hire?
12 in December only?
Maybe they pulled my suggestion out of the box that said they should utilse their current resources better.
Make the currently employed pilots work more.
Let them drink all the milk they want.
Legally they can fly 1000hrs per year. They are overpaid, and under utilized at the moment. Boredom is not good for currency levels...
Fire the ones that cannot hack the pace and then employ pilots that want to fly, more and for less.
Maybe then the profit margins will go up!
Maybe they pulled my suggestion out of the box that said they should utilse their current resources better.
Make the currently employed pilots work more.
Let them drink all the milk they want.
Legally they can fly 1000hrs per year. They are overpaid, and under utilized at the moment. Boredom is not good for currency levels...
Fire the ones that cannot hack the pace and then employ pilots that want to fly, more and for less.
Maybe then the profit margins will go up!
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SAATraining Dep is begging for new pilots. F.I.G.J.A.M Jordaan won't let them do it cause there are only whites with appropriate experience avlb. Once again we have 737-800 drivers running out of hours before year end. AIMS course(Airline Instruction Methodology I think) had to be cancelled in Nov because the airline couldn't afford to take 8 (out of 850) off line for trianing. I hear they manage to scrape two girls together for an intake.
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Nope as far as I know two guys.....with 73 experience - I suppose to allow for limited training on the freighter fleet as there is not enough instructors/space readily available to train newbies on the other fleets i.e A340