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Ha, ha, ha... guys (and girls), the poor girl just wanted to see 'the worst place in the world to go shopping' for herself, and now all this hooha. I say she should be shot, along with all her staff who arranged this travesty. Make sure the government pays for the bullets, they can use any of the illegal firearms that they are so ably confiscating these days..
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Hi Township Dog, I'm the journalist who wrote the stories about the 'sous-plane'. The amount is calculated as follows: the SAAF not only take the fuel into account, but also annual maintenance, services and the crew's salaries to determine a rate of between R20 000 - R24 000 per flying hour. It's 8 hours to Abu Dhabi and 8 back, therefore 16 times R24 000 which gives you R384 000. Landing fees, overflight costs and foreign allowances then also have to be added on. Ek dink die ringe is nog OK!! Erika
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Some serious back -peddling ...
Full Story : http://www.news24.com/News24/South_A...862026,00.html
It was part work, part vacation, deputy president Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka said in her first reaction to criticism of her flying to the United Arab Emirates at taxpayers' expense on an apparent holiday, the SABC reported on Thursday.
Mlambo-Ncguka said even though she was on holiday, her trip was combined with work.
The deputy president said she went on a fact-finding mission in Dubai to study crane-building businesses in that country.
She said this was part of her mission to come up with programmes for South Africa's accelerated growth initiatives, aimed at seeing economic growth reach six per cent by 2010.
Mlambo-Ncguka said even though she was on holiday, her trip was combined with work.
The deputy president said she went on a fact-finding mission in Dubai to study crane-building businesses in that country. She said this was part of her mission to come up with programmes for South Africa's accelerated growth initiatives, aimed at seeing economic growth reach six per cent by 2010.
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Die koste van só ’n vlug word volgens kenners op sowat R384 000 geraam, en dít net vir die brandstof.
Hi Erika, this is what you wrote in the article quoted in the begiining of this thread.. Some other papers and the DA are saying the cost was R700 000. Seems people are getting wires crossed... any clarification on what it actually cost us?
Hi Erika, this is what you wrote in the article quoted in the begiining of this thread.. Some other papers and the DA are saying the cost was R700 000. Seems people are getting wires crossed... any clarification on what it actually cost us?
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Hmmmm, Tannie Elize en die suider kruis tannies het ook maar lekker saam met ons op die 707 rond gevlieg, maar ten minste het hulle dit lekker laat klink. Vir ons seuns op die grens jy weet, terwyl Esme ( Everaad) vir hulle lekker troepie liedjies op 'n Sondag gespeel het.
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O Mystifying one - he mystifies me anyway - Riccardo hasn’t replied, so maybe I can help ?If I have got it right, according to La Repubblica and Corriere Della Sera today, the Italian president, Signor Burlesquoni, has just paid an amount of about €1800 which could get him off the hook for “tens of millions” of Euros due from ALLEGED* irregularities from the sale of the television rights of Mediaset, a huge Italian corporation. If it’s true, it would be another example of an Italian government passing a law which “legalises” past “errors”. It’s called condonation and is rife there. No surprise to learn the payment is disputed.
(Italian speakers, try this link : http://www.repubblica.it/2006/a/sezi.../berlsana.html)
Remember also that the Italian President has publicly and repeatedly said he will not take advantage of Law 289 of 2002, which allows this. No prizes for guessing who passed that law … This again is the same gentleman who set the dubious precedent of becoming the first serving prime minister to appear at his own trial in Italian legal history. Now that is what I call style.
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* Amazing that some Italians do not trust their politicos, ne ?
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Solid Rust, only because we could not get clearance further North then Grooties.
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Me thinks the same. The DA adds operational costs of some R300 000 and then the R384 000, which I think is wrong as fuel is part of operational costs. I'm going on the info from SAAF sources, which is just below R400 000. I don't think any official will go on record about the real costs, just as we also probably won't know which crane builders she visited. According to my info the plane just passed through Dubai as port of entry to Abu Dhabi. There was a request for the plane to stand over for an additional few days in Dubai, but then this request was cancelled. According to the deputy the crane builders she visited though, were in Dubai....
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Agreed, Beta.
It just seems this lot don't care when caught. The old lot were as dishonest (They're politicians, after all.), but were probably better at hiding it and showed a bit of remorse when caught.
The day to day reality is something you possibly don't see living in Asia...
It just seems this lot don't care when caught. The old lot were as dishonest (They're politicians, after all.), but were probably better at hiding it and showed a bit of remorse when caught.
The day to day reality is something you possibly don't see living in Asia...
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"The old lot were as dishonest (They're politicians, after all.), "
Quite right SRT, I remember seing a bunch of Nats arrive at a camp near Beit Bridge to go off shooting at a sort of a reserve right on the Zambesi border. All I can rememer is that it had a donkey/zebra animal which was a source of wonder at the time.
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Quite right SRT, I remember seing a bunch of Nats arrive at a camp near Beit Bridge to go off shooting at a sort of a reserve right on the Zambesi border. All I can rememer is that it had a donkey/zebra animal which was a source of wonder at the time.
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From News24:
It's official: It was a holiday
13/01/2006
Cape Town - Deputy President Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka went to the United Arab Emirates on holiday, her office said in a letter to news organisations, including I-Net Bridge, on Friday.
This follows a growing controversy in the media - and among opposition parties - about her December trip in a military aircraft paid for by the State.
The State broadcaster, the SABC had created the wrong impression, according to her adviser Kanyo Gqulu, that she had travelled to the UAE on a fact finding mission, that it had been half holiday and half business and that she was there to study crane-building businesses.
This was wrong, Gqulu said: "I would like to set the record straight by reiterating what was earlier stated in the media statements issued by the Presidency and (confirmed by the Deputy President in her interview) to the effect that Ms P Mlambo-Ngcuka went to the UAE on holiday.
"The actual modalities of transport are determined on the basis of security, in this instance the Deputy President was advised that the provision of security would be best served through the use of SANDF (South African National Defence Force) transport."
Security arrangements were determined in terms of the security manual and risk management system - both passed by cabinet.
He said: "In terms of these, their movement remains at all times a security matter and their physical security a permanent responsibility, rather than a benefit.
"The Presidency and the SA Police Service and the President and Deputy President do not themselves decide on the manner or modalities of movement.
Gqulu reiterated: "Contrary to yesterday's (January 12, 2006) and today's (January 13 2006) reports she did not travel to UAE on a fact-finding mission, nor did she go there on half business half holiday and she did not go there to study crane-building businesses."
He said further than in her interview with the State broadcaster - on Thursday, January 12 - "the Deputy President stated that she went to UAE on holiday but chose her destination based on the ongoing discussions she's been having with the Accelerated & Shared Growth Initiative -South Africa (ASGISA).
"In these deliberations it had become apparent that the UAE could offer opportunities to train South Africans in project management for infrastructure development. This skill is highly sort after in our country in the context of Accelerated & Shared Growth.
"In her interview with SABC the Deputy President referred to cranes only to make a point about the visibility and presence of cranes in the extraordinary infrastructure developmental work taking place in the UAE.
"All the visits and the meetings the Deputy President conducted, with the purpose of creating the framework and sourcing out training opportunities, were informal.
"I hope that by setting the record straight we have settled this matter once and for all."
13/01/2006
Cape Town - Deputy President Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka went to the United Arab Emirates on holiday, her office said in a letter to news organisations, including I-Net Bridge, on Friday.
This follows a growing controversy in the media - and among opposition parties - about her December trip in a military aircraft paid for by the State.
The State broadcaster, the SABC had created the wrong impression, according to her adviser Kanyo Gqulu, that she had travelled to the UAE on a fact finding mission, that it had been half holiday and half business and that she was there to study crane-building businesses.
This was wrong, Gqulu said: "I would like to set the record straight by reiterating what was earlier stated in the media statements issued by the Presidency and (confirmed by the Deputy President in her interview) to the effect that Ms P Mlambo-Ngcuka went to the UAE on holiday.
"The actual modalities of transport are determined on the basis of security, in this instance the Deputy President was advised that the provision of security would be best served through the use of SANDF (South African National Defence Force) transport."
Security arrangements were determined in terms of the security manual and risk management system - both passed by cabinet.
He said: "In terms of these, their movement remains at all times a security matter and their physical security a permanent responsibility, rather than a benefit.
"The Presidency and the SA Police Service and the President and Deputy President do not themselves decide on the manner or modalities of movement.
Gqulu reiterated: "Contrary to yesterday's (January 12, 2006) and today's (January 13 2006) reports she did not travel to UAE on a fact-finding mission, nor did she go there on half business half holiday and she did not go there to study crane-building businesses."
He said further than in her interview with the State broadcaster - on Thursday, January 12 - "the Deputy President stated that she went to UAE on holiday but chose her destination based on the ongoing discussions she's been having with the Accelerated & Shared Growth Initiative -South Africa (ASGISA).
"In these deliberations it had become apparent that the UAE could offer opportunities to train South Africans in project management for infrastructure development. This skill is highly sort after in our country in the context of Accelerated & Shared Growth.
"In her interview with SABC the Deputy President referred to cranes only to make a point about the visibility and presence of cranes in the extraordinary infrastructure developmental work taking place in the UAE.
"All the visits and the meetings the Deputy President conducted, with the purpose of creating the framework and sourcing out training opportunities, were informal.
"I hope that by setting the record straight we have settled this matter once and for all."
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Which brings us to the matter of both the Dep Prez and her spokesman saying it was for work purposes with the holiday as an aside.
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Ngcuka 'needs to explain'
Bulelani Ngcuka, former national director of public prosecutions and husband to the deputy president, has to explain their recent trip to the United Arab Emirates, the Democratic Alliance said on Friday.
In his weekly newsletter, DA leader Tony Leon said Ngcuka was the "master of an expanding property development empire".
"In December, he accompanied his wife, deputy president Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka, on the now-infamous "gravy plane" to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) over the Christmas holiday," Leon wrote.
"In November 2005, Bulelani Ngcuka and his company, Amabubesi Investments, were part of a consortium that bought 52% of the shares in Basil Read, one of South Africa's largest construction companies."
Leon said Ngcuka had announced in September already that his company was planning to build a big shopping mall at Jeffrey's Bay in the Eastern Cape.
Ngcuka was earlier last year also appointed as chairperson of V&A Waterfront Holdings in Cape Town.
"That raises the question: whose interests was the deputy president representing when she went on her mission to learn about 'crane-building businesses'?"
Her explanation raised a number of questions, Leon said.
"Why was no announcement made - as is customary - prior to her departure, and no media release issued while she was in the UAE?
"Why was the trip only discovered after it was over? Was this a holiday disguised as a business trip, or a business trip disguised as a holiday?"
Leon said Mlambo-Ngcuka had sent the worst possible message to councillors and South Africans, instead of leading by example.
In his weekly newsletter, DA leader Tony Leon said Ngcuka was the "master of an expanding property development empire".
"In December, he accompanied his wife, deputy president Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka, on the now-infamous "gravy plane" to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) over the Christmas holiday," Leon wrote.
"In November 2005, Bulelani Ngcuka and his company, Amabubesi Investments, were part of a consortium that bought 52% of the shares in Basil Read, one of South Africa's largest construction companies."
Leon said Ngcuka had announced in September already that his company was planning to build a big shopping mall at Jeffrey's Bay in the Eastern Cape.
Ngcuka was earlier last year also appointed as chairperson of V&A Waterfront Holdings in Cape Town.
"That raises the question: whose interests was the deputy president representing when she went on her mission to learn about 'crane-building businesses'?"
Her explanation raised a number of questions, Leon said.
"Why was no announcement made - as is customary - prior to her departure, and no media release issued while she was in the UAE?
"Why was the trip only discovered after it was over? Was this a holiday disguised as a business trip, or a business trip disguised as a holiday?"
Leon said Mlambo-Ngcuka had sent the worst possible message to councillors and South Africans, instead of leading by example.
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Ngcuka Weergawe 3
Adj.pres. Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka se kantoor het gister in ’n derde weergawe vandeesweek van presies hóé haar reis na Aboe Dhabi verloop het, ontken dat sy ’n werkvakansie onderneem het. Sy het vakansie gaan hou en basta.
Die vergaderings wat sy dáár gehou het, was “informeel”.
Mnr. Khanyo Gqulu, Mlambo-Ngcuka se raadgewer, sê in ’n brief aan koerantredakteurs beriggewing oor haar eerste persoonlike kommentaar oor die omstrede besoek het die “indruk gewek” dat sy op ’n feitesending na die Verenigde Arabiese Emirate (VAE) was. Die “indruk” het volgens Gqulu uit ’n onderhoud met SAUK-nuus ontstaan. Daarin meld Mlambo-Ngcuka dat hoewel sy met vakansie was, sy dit met werk gekombineer het.
Die vergaderings wat sy dáár gehou het, was “informeel”.
Mnr. Khanyo Gqulu, Mlambo-Ngcuka se raadgewer, sê in ’n brief aan koerantredakteurs beriggewing oor haar eerste persoonlike kommentaar oor die omstrede besoek het die “indruk gewek” dat sy op ’n feitesending na die Verenigde Arabiese Emirate (VAE) was. Die “indruk” het volgens Gqulu uit ’n onderhoud met SAUK-nuus ontstaan. Daarin meld Mlambo-Ngcuka dat hoewel sy met vakansie was, sy dit met werk gekombineer het.
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Politicians.
After first ducking & diving, she now, obviously due to pressure, admits it was a holiday. These
politicians! Every time their lips move, they lie.
It's actually a shame the way the hout politicians carry on. No wonder Africa is so f up.
A fellow black colleague recently remarked:
a. They belong to a tribe
b. The tribe's got a culture
c. They're superstitious and believe in witchcraft
d. They don't understand westernised civilisation.
e. Prefers to visit a sangoma rather than a doctor when sick.
Maybe that explains why Jacob Zuma raped an HIV positive chick without any protection.
Maybe the Sangoma will tell him to go and rape a baby to "cleanse" himself once he finds himself infected.
Unbelievable! Mmmm, Africa at it's best!
After first ducking & diving, she now, obviously due to pressure, admits it was a holiday. These
politicians! Every time their lips move, they lie.It's actually a shame the way the hout politicians carry on. No wonder Africa is so f
up.A fellow black colleague recently remarked:
a. They belong to a tribe
b. The tribe's got a culture
c. They're superstitious and believe in witchcraft
d. They don't understand westernised civilisation.
e. Prefers to visit a sangoma rather than a doctor when sick.
Maybe that explains why Jacob Zuma raped an HIV positive chick without any protection.
Maybe the Sangoma will tell him to go and rape a baby to "cleanse" himself once he finds himself infected.
Unbelievable! Mmmm, Africa at it's best!
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Agreed OTD but I'm going to leave it as another monument to the blinkered view of some of our members & in the hope that Mr. Inverted will change his tune. Given the authority of a mod, it is so easy to merely bin a contentious post, yet sometimes it is better to encourage constructive conversation than to hide an issue with which one disapproves or disagrees with.
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