ADC Flight 53 Accident + Investigation
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How sad that the Minister of aviation would make an accusation of guilt against the ADC crew without waiting for a thorough investigation and recovery of the black box.
It would be embarrasing if the black box should prove him wrong,wouldnt it?
I hope all pilots in Nigeria,with one voice tell him that he was wrong to make such a claim,no matter the reliability of his source until a thorough documented investigation had been done.
The finger pointing has started,and in the end only the Nigerian people will continue to suffer.
It would be embarrasing if the black box should prove him wrong,wouldnt it?
I hope all pilots in Nigeria,with one voice tell him that he was wrong to make such a claim,no matter the reliability of his source until a thorough documented investigation had been done.
The finger pointing has started,and in the end only the Nigerian people will continue to suffer.
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boris has once more demonstrated his ineptitude and narrowmindedness,by accusing the crew of taking despite contrary advice from atc.
has he checked the xwind limitations of a 737-200?
if atc felt wx was that bad why did they not close the airfield?
boris must be congratualted for the fastest accident investigation known to mankind as he has concluded pilot error
lord rescue us from this guy and send him to a primary school to teach social studies or something.........
has he checked the xwind limitations of a 737-200?
if atc felt wx was that bad why did they not close the airfield?
boris must be congratualted for the fastest accident investigation known to mankind as he has concluded pilot error
lord rescue us from this guy and send him to a primary school to teach social studies or something.........
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Nothing had been found before Egbon Boris already opened his large mouth to spill what he apparently knows nothing about.
Pilot error was the first thing he spouted out!!!!! How is is that a minister makes such a presumption with no facts to back his story? Who advices these people?Those who should be fighting the cause of the Nigerian Pilot at large, spend their time trying to mess the others up!!!!!All in an effort to make themselves look good or better than the rest.
As said before, this IS all OUR fault!!!!!!!!!!!! F.A.O. Nigerian Pilots!
Unfortunate accident gentlemen, may the lord grant the souls eternal rest.
Pilot error was the first thing he spouted out!!!!! How is is that a minister makes such a presumption with no facts to back his story? Who advices these people?Those who should be fighting the cause of the Nigerian Pilot at large, spend their time trying to mess the others up!!!!!All in an effort to make themselves look good or better than the rest.As said before, this IS all OUR fault!!!!!!!!!!!! F.A.O. Nigerian Pilots!
Unfortunate accident gentlemen, may the lord grant the souls eternal rest.
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Lord, have mercy on us. What Kinda of Country is this. This reflects the way things are in every sector of our dear Country.
Incompetent people heading different branches of the Govt. top down.
Why does baba not get competent professionals in charge. Instead, we let their wisdom and experence go down the drain.
Incompetent people heading different branches of the Govt. top down.
Why does baba not get competent professionals in charge. Instead, we let their wisdom and experence go down the drain.
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First and foremost, may the souls of the lost lifes Rest In Peace!!!
Thereafter, though, I won't blame the ignorant minister for his comments. His reactions and comments reflect the way Governance, if at all, such can be ascertained in the Nigerian society, is being conducted. The leadership is so ignorant and irresponsible that, you feel sick when you listen to them.
It is really sad that the Nigerian society is still being fooled around by such elements. I hope that this hoepless situation will end in the near future.
RIP ADC 5N-BFK.
WP
Thereafter, though, I won't blame the ignorant minister for his comments. His reactions and comments reflect the way Governance, if at all, such can be ascertained in the Nigerian society, is being conducted. The leadership is so ignorant and irresponsible that, you feel sick when you listen to them.
It is really sad that the Nigerian society is still being fooled around by such elements. I hope that this hoepless situation will end in the near future.
RIP ADC 5N-BFK.
WP
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On a radio show this morning
300+ souls lost in Nigerian aviation disasters in a year. With stats like that, our industry makes one re-think whether or not air travel is indeed the safest form of transportation in the world.
I was with a colleague listening to a radio show (this morning) which happened to mention the crash of yesterday. The show stated that the pilot refused (and I repeat, refused) to adhere to ATC instructions advising him of the bad weather and took off without clearance. The folks on the show were quiet for a moment before one of the hosts hollered "what is going on in Nigeria? Three crashes in a year? How can a pilot take off without clearance and blah, blah, blah." I'm sure you all get the picture.
I was shocked, embarrassed and appalled at what I heard, but what really ticked me off was what our Honorable Minister had to say about who was at fault and etc. Doesn't he understand one of the cardinal rules of accident investigation is never jump to conclusions, assumptions and probable cause(s) without knowing the facts. But then again I'm not surprised at his foolishness, after all this is the guy that said they couldn't find the Bellview black boxes because of its location in the cockpit of the aircraft, hence it is buried in the earth....(WTF people?????). Last time I checked black boxes were located in the tail section of an aircraft.
Nevertheless, we really need to address Aviation Safety in Nigeria or else it might come to a time when any flight could be someone's last flight. Enough of our "fire brigade approach." I'm sick and tired of promises by them to address Aviation Safety. They are all wind....and no rain. Is it that the law makers think they are immune to death from aviation accidents? Take a look back at the past accidents, were there or were there not law makers in them? This should be a wake up call to them.
I'm also using this opportunity to ask the forum, do our airlines back home have dedicated Safety Departments??? I have never seen ads on their WebPages hiring for safety. Are they forgetting that prevention is better than cure or Safety is no issue amongst Nigerian airlines?
My heart goes out to the bereaved families, God be with you all.
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I was with a colleague listening to a radio show (this morning) which happened to mention the crash of yesterday. The show stated that the pilot refused (and I repeat, refused) to adhere to ATC instructions advising him of the bad weather and took off without clearance. The folks on the show were quiet for a moment before one of the hosts hollered "what is going on in Nigeria? Three crashes in a year? How can a pilot take off without clearance and blah, blah, blah." I'm sure you all get the picture.
I was shocked, embarrassed and appalled at what I heard, but what really ticked me off was what our Honorable Minister had to say about who was at fault and etc. Doesn't he understand one of the cardinal rules of accident investigation is never jump to conclusions, assumptions and probable cause(s) without knowing the facts. But then again I'm not surprised at his foolishness, after all this is the guy that said they couldn't find the Bellview black boxes because of its location in the cockpit of the aircraft, hence it is buried in the earth....(WTF people?????). Last time I checked black boxes were located in the tail section of an aircraft.
Nevertheless, we really need to address Aviation Safety in Nigeria or else it might come to a time when any flight could be someone's last flight. Enough of our "fire brigade approach." I'm sick and tired of promises by them to address Aviation Safety. They are all wind....and no rain. Is it that the law makers think they are immune to death from aviation accidents? Take a look back at the past accidents, were there or were there not law makers in them? This should be a wake up call to them.
I'm also using this opportunity to ask the forum, do our airlines back home have dedicated Safety Departments??? I have never seen ads on their WebPages hiring for safety. Are they forgetting that prevention is better than cure or Safety is no issue amongst Nigerian airlines?
My heart goes out to the bereaved families, God be with you all.
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This is first hand info from an airline captain who was there & watched the ADC aircraft take off:
ADC aircraft took off in very heavy rain. No lightning or thunder at the time.
Before the ADC aircraft taxied out, several aircraft on the ramp where heard on the radio saying they gonna wait for the weather to clear up.
Skies cleared up not too long after aircraft went down.
Also some more first hand info from somehone who overflew the crash sight about 45 min after it happened: Apparently there was not much of a crash trail, i.e there crash area was more or less the same size as the fuselage.
Plane was still burning with nothing much in terms of rescue equipment around it.
Lots of VIP's on board, pilots pressurised to get going without delay? Who knows...
ADC aircraft took off in very heavy rain. No lightning or thunder at the time.
Before the ADC aircraft taxied out, several aircraft on the ramp where heard on the radio saying they gonna wait for the weather to clear up.
Skies cleared up not too long after aircraft went down.
Also some more first hand info from somehone who overflew the crash sight about 45 min after it happened: Apparently there was not much of a crash trail, i.e there crash area was more or less the same size as the fuselage.
Plane was still burning with nothing much in terms of rescue equipment around it.
Lots of VIP's on board, pilots pressurised to get going without delay? Who knows...
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Boris--CHEW HIM UP!!
This dude ought be ashamed...a kindergaten teacher wouldn't even come up with such remarks this dude so called minister of aviation came up with.
RIP TO ALL THE CREW N' PASS
RIP TO ALL THE CREW N' PASS
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Fellow Ppruners,
Much as we feel the pain of another accident, let us not forget that there is a problem with the whole aviation system in nigeria. Despite what the minister want us to believe, the blame lies with every stakeholder in the system. From the incompetent authorities to the inept operators to us individual aviators.
This is an opportunity for us to come together and educate the public, let us write well informed write-ups and submit to the media particularly the print. We have to be proactive now, or we all congregate her , vent and nothing happens. We need to inform the public as to what the true state of the industry is. Boris and his cronies are the ones dictating public opinion at the moment. And what he is basically saying is that Nigerian Pilots are incompetent, thereby justifying what the so-called "andrew" was saying at the sheraton.
Let us remember, this is our lives, our careers and dreams these morons are toying with. We have to be ready to pay a price. Evil persists bcos righteous men refuse to speak up.
I was reliably told that bluetail's B767 pilots were being made to fly return trips to mumbai without any rest and recently a crew flew into los from mumbai and were made to operate the freetown-london route, without any break in between. Now tell me what kind of job security will make any respectable human subject himself to such abuse. People take such trash all in the name of job security and a paycheck, without thinking about the effects of what they are engaging in.
I understand bluetail is seriously under crewed, but he refuses to train.
Gentlemen, this is the moment, let us rise up to the forces of evil who are determined to turn us into minced meat.
Much as we feel the pain of another accident, let us not forget that there is a problem with the whole aviation system in nigeria. Despite what the minister want us to believe, the blame lies with every stakeholder in the system. From the incompetent authorities to the inept operators to us individual aviators.
This is an opportunity for us to come together and educate the public, let us write well informed write-ups and submit to the media particularly the print. We have to be proactive now, or we all congregate her , vent and nothing happens. We need to inform the public as to what the true state of the industry is. Boris and his cronies are the ones dictating public opinion at the moment. And what he is basically saying is that Nigerian Pilots are incompetent, thereby justifying what the so-called "andrew" was saying at the sheraton.
Let us remember, this is our lives, our careers and dreams these morons are toying with. We have to be ready to pay a price. Evil persists bcos righteous men refuse to speak up.
I was reliably told that bluetail's B767 pilots were being made to fly return trips to mumbai without any rest and recently a crew flew into los from mumbai and were made to operate the freetown-london route, without any break in between. Now tell me what kind of job security will make any respectable human subject himself to such abuse. People take such trash all in the name of job security and a paycheck, without thinking about the effects of what they are engaging in.
I understand bluetail is seriously under crewed, but he refuses to train.
Gentlemen, this is the moment, let us rise up to the forces of evil who are determined to turn us into minced meat.
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Come on guys...lets not overdo the protestations. Pprune posters are among some of the most guilty when it comes to speculation... Just take a look at the Brazil Mid-Air thread... up to 33 pages already... not postings, PAGES. Shock, Horror... African politicians are mostly incompetant.. well... never heard that before !
This Dingbat should most certainly have kept his mouth shut.... if only because within a few hours of the accident it makes sense not to excacerbate the feeling of horror and loss... But then African politicians are not the most sensitive of creatures. It maybe that he doesn't know the front end from the back of an aircraft unless he's watching it fly overhead but he would have had a verbal statement from those in the tower... and he should have access to the ATC tapes.
At this stage, if there's anything to keep in mind it's ... Don't screw around with CB's if you can avoid it. Now... let's wait for the investigation to offer up its findings.
This Dingbat should most certainly have kept his mouth shut.... if only because within a few hours of the accident it makes sense not to excacerbate the feeling of horror and loss... But then African politicians are not the most sensitive of creatures. It maybe that he doesn't know the front end from the back of an aircraft unless he's watching it fly overhead but he would have had a verbal statement from those in the tower... and he should have access to the ATC tapes.
At this stage, if there's anything to keep in mind it's ... Don't screw around with CB's if you can avoid it. Now... let's wait for the investigation to offer up its findings.
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Why The Plane Crashed According To Borishady
Why the plane crashed, by minister
</I>A MINUTE-BY-MINUTE account of how an ADC Airlines plane crashed last Sunday in Abuja was yesterday given by the Minister of Aviation, Babalola Borishade.
According to the minister, the crash, which was caused by inclement weather, could have been averted if the plane's pilot had heeded the advice of the Air Traffic Control.
Excerpts from the minister's statement reads:
The AIB has since gone to sleep.Borishade has done the job
</I>A MINUTE-BY-MINUTE account of how an ADC Airlines plane crashed last Sunday in Abuja was yesterday given by the Minister of Aviation, Babalola Borishade.
According to the minister, the crash, which was caused by inclement weather, could have been averted if the plane's pilot had heeded the advice of the Air Traffic Control.
Excerpts from the minister's statement reads:
- The ADC flight originated in Calabar early Sunday morning, and flew to Lagos; it departed Lagos as a combined Abuja/Sokoto service;
- At 1114 local time, the crew of the aircraft requested start-up clearance from Abuja Tower (Aerodrome Control); this was given along with the appropriate weather information;
- At 1121, the crew requested clearance to taxi to the holding in and a wind check; both were given;
Over the following six minutes Abuja Tower gave a series of six wind reports, including a statement emphasising the gusty nature of the wind.
- It should also be noted that the weather was obviously deteriorating in rain and gusty wind with heavy thunderstorms and lightning activity around the vicinity of the airfield, a well-known pattern for this time of the year;
- At 1126, the crew of ADK 053 further requested clearance for immediate take-off, and the Air Traffic Controller re-emphasised the deteriorating weather condition and gave latest wind check, which they acknowledged;
- At 1127, the crew of VGN 042 requested a wind check, and stated that their own estimation was "more like 35 knots". They opted to wait for an improvement in the weather. It is noteworthy however, that ADK 053 was still on the ground at the time and the crew must have heard this exchange;
- Notwithstanding the Air Traffic Control advisory and the deteriorating weather conditions, the ADK 053 crew opted to proceed with the take-off;
- At the time, NIMET (National Institute of Meteorology) were reporting a cloud base of 300m. Shortly after take-off, the aircraft entered cloud and visual contact was lost;
- At 1128, Abuja Tower gave the ADK 053 their airborne time and directed the crew to contact Abuja Approach. This transmission was not acknowledged.
- All efforts to raise a response from ADK 053 by air traffic control units in Abuja and Kano, and by other aircraft, were unproductive;
- At 1132, the aircraft was declared missing and NEMA (National Emergency Management Agency) was alerted accordingly;
- At 1138, following a report from a local farmer of the crashed aircraft, the crash alarm was sounded and Search and Rescue operations launched;
- Rescue units reached the crash site at about 11.53 with local farmers and villagers already at the scene helping with rescue operations;
- The terrain did not permit access by large FAAN (Federal Aviation Authority of Nigeria) fire tenders, but mobile units on foot were able to access the site and evacuate survivors and address a number of fires and commence retrieval of bodies scattered over a large area;
- Survivors were initially brought to the FAAN Airport Clinic before being moved on to the National Hospital, Abuja; and
- Bodies were brought to a temporary facility at the FAAN Airport Fire Station from where they were transferred to eight different mortuaries in Abuja.
The AIB has since gone to sleep.Borishade has done the job
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"At 1127, the crew of VGN 042 requested a wind check, and stated that their own estimation was "more like 35 knots". They opted to wait for an improvement in the weather. It is noteworthy however, that ADK 053 was still on the ground at the time and the crew must have heard this exchange; "
It would be interesting to know what the towers given wind estimate was...
It would be interesting to know what the towers given wind estimate was...
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"This airport is equipped with the best forecast system in the world. It is the same weather forecasting instrument we are using here that is used at Heathrow airport in the United Kingdom" - Boris
http://www.vanguardngr.com/articles/...230102006.html
How valid is this statement?
http://www.vanguardngr.com/articles/...230102006.html
How valid is this statement?
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I suppose we should be grateful that the Minister is going to buy " a huge equipment that will prevent such aircraft from taking off " .
But he needs an Act of Parliament to do so ???????
Where do these guys come from ?
But he needs an Act of Parliament to do so ???????
Where do these guys come from ?
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"I suppose we should be grateful that the Minister is going to buy " a huge equipment that will prevent such aircraft from taking off " .
But he needs an Act of Parliament to do so ???????
Where do these guys come from ?"
Er..... Nigeria
But he needs an Act of Parliament to do so ???????
Where do these guys come from ?"
Er..... Nigeria
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OBJ Orders Arrest Of NCAA Officials For Not Stopping ADC Pilot
This is becoming really annoying.I just saw this story:
Last Updated: Tue 31st October, 2006 7:31:24 amOBJ Orders Arrest Of NCAA Officials For Not Stopping ADC Pilot-PM NEWS, Lagoshttp://www.saharareporters.com/dn001.php?dnid=172
By Tony orilade/Abuja
President Olusegun Obasanjo has ordered the arrest of three officials of the Nigeria Civil Aviation Authority (NCAA) for failing to stop the pilot of the ill-fated ADC plane that crashed on Sunday, from taking off. P.M.NEWS reliably gathered this morning that President Obasanjo was very angry when he heard the Minister of Aviation, Prof. Babalola Borisade, complain yesterday that human error caused the ADC plane crash as the pilot of the passenger aircraft defied orders not to fly the plane due to bad weather.
Consequently, the President ordered operatives of the State Security Service (SSS) to get three officials of NCAA arrested over their roles in the crash which killed 96 passengers, including the Sultan of Sokoto, Alhaji Muhammadu Maccido, two deputy governors, two senators and other prominent people. The President was said to have insisted that if the NCAA officials had played their roles very well, the disaster would have been averted because the pilot wouldn’t have taken off if they insisted that he must not fly.
The President was said to have ordered the arrest after he was engaged in a verbal war by the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Alhaji Bello Masari. Masari was said to have expressed his anger over the spate of air disasters in the country, particularly the latest one that claimed the lives of many prominent Northern leaders. Our source refused to disclose the names of the NCAA officials arrested. The Sokoto-bound plane crashed at Gwagwalada on Sunday shortly after it took off from the Nnamdi Azikiwe International Airport, Abuja.
The ADC operation licence was suspended yesterday by the federal government in the wake of the crash. A similar ban was placed on the company ten years ago when its plane crashed at Ejirin in Ikorodu, claiming the lives of all the passengers on board, including a political scientist, Claude Ake and some staff of Shell. That crash occurred on 6 November, 1996 and the embargo placed on the airline was lifted some months later." END
what has NCAA got to do with our airspace? NAMA officials have kept quiet since the accident happened.Maybe its because they know what really happened.But my bane of contention is that since the aviation minister has already made up his mind on the cause of the crash, teh accident investigation bureau has now been compromised.I dont think they have the audacity to refute the ministers claim if their investigations uncover another probable cause.I am really disappointed with manner at which things are becoming.It is sad and annoying.
Last Updated: Tue 31st October, 2006 7:31:24 amOBJ Orders Arrest Of NCAA Officials For Not Stopping ADC Pilot-PM NEWS, Lagoshttp://www.saharareporters.com/dn001.php?dnid=172
By Tony orilade/Abuja
President Olusegun Obasanjo has ordered the arrest of three officials of the Nigeria Civil Aviation Authority (NCAA) for failing to stop the pilot of the ill-fated ADC plane that crashed on Sunday, from taking off. P.M.NEWS reliably gathered this morning that President Obasanjo was very angry when he heard the Minister of Aviation, Prof. Babalola Borisade, complain yesterday that human error caused the ADC plane crash as the pilot of the passenger aircraft defied orders not to fly the plane due to bad weather.
Consequently, the President ordered operatives of the State Security Service (SSS) to get three officials of NCAA arrested over their roles in the crash which killed 96 passengers, including the Sultan of Sokoto, Alhaji Muhammadu Maccido, two deputy governors, two senators and other prominent people. The President was said to have insisted that if the NCAA officials had played their roles very well, the disaster would have been averted because the pilot wouldn’t have taken off if they insisted that he must not fly.
The President was said to have ordered the arrest after he was engaged in a verbal war by the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Alhaji Bello Masari. Masari was said to have expressed his anger over the spate of air disasters in the country, particularly the latest one that claimed the lives of many prominent Northern leaders. Our source refused to disclose the names of the NCAA officials arrested. The Sokoto-bound plane crashed at Gwagwalada on Sunday shortly after it took off from the Nnamdi Azikiwe International Airport, Abuja.
The ADC operation licence was suspended yesterday by the federal government in the wake of the crash. A similar ban was placed on the company ten years ago when its plane crashed at Ejirin in Ikorodu, claiming the lives of all the passengers on board, including a political scientist, Claude Ake and some staff of Shell. That crash occurred on 6 November, 1996 and the embargo placed on the airline was lifted some months later." END
what has NCAA got to do with our airspace? NAMA officials have kept quiet since the accident happened.Maybe its because they know what really happened.But my bane of contention is that since the aviation minister has already made up his mind on the cause of the crash, teh accident investigation bureau has now been compromised.I dont think they have the audacity to refute the ministers claim if their investigations uncover another probable cause.I am really disappointed with manner at which things are becoming.It is sad and annoying.
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There are always chains of events that leads to an accident. Break the chain, and you prevent the accident. The minister of aviation should know this, or perhaps his advisors. The blame doesn't just lie with the pilots, how are we going to prevent this in the future should be the question. Its really sick that these so called ministers just keep on doing this. We have gotten it all wrong. God Bless Nigeria.
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