B747-400 Combi
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B747-400 Combi
I'm helping in a "hunt" for 1 or 2 x B747-400 combi aircraft. They need the range and cargo capacity. Total pax load in the range of 170 - 200 would be fine.
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If you are referring to the tread on “Rumours & News” about the “New 747-400 Operator info?” then unfortunately, it’s not the same airline.
This airline (not CIVAIR) would like to start local (SA) operations as soon as possible but the routes they intend to serve requires the range of a B747-400. They prefer the B747-400 Combi due to the additional cargo capacity on the main deck, ideal for the contracts already lined up. They tried to purchase/lease a B747 SP and/or B747 300 as an interim measure but the deal collapsed as soon as a certain carrier found out this will mean competition.
The intended route will include South, North America, the Far East and Africa.
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This airline (not CIVAIR) would like to start local (SA) operations as soon as possible but the routes they intend to serve requires the range of a B747-400. They prefer the B747-400 Combi due to the additional cargo capacity on the main deck, ideal for the contracts already lined up. They tried to purchase/lease a B747 SP and/or B747 300 as an interim measure but the deal collapsed as soon as a certain carrier found out this will mean competition.
The intended route will include South, North America, the Far East and Africa.
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Good luck with the Combi mate- KLM operate one into JNB- they are loosing millions on the route. Don’t forget the pax as the cargo side is VERY one directional and hyper competitive- most of the bigger all Cargo operators come in here already- Martinair just increased its capacity by 2 frequencies per week.
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Thank you for the heads up will pass it on. 
Don’t want to rat on their business plans but they will be flying into major cities not currently served, including lucrative cargo contracts as back bone for the freight portion.
I really hope it works for them, I have my doubts but I will support them as far as possible. The rumour of the "start up" has some major players uneasy
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Don’t want to rat on their business plans but they will be flying into major cities not currently served, including lucrative cargo contracts as back bone for the freight portion. I really hope it works for them, I have my doubts but I will support them as far as possible. The rumour of the "start up" has some major players uneasy
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It would not be fair of me, not being an official representative, to give too much detail and information away! I’m just supporting a SA company, maybe along the way they create a couple of job opportunities for “our” people and giving a certain carrier hell.
I have seen Impala, Avia, USAfrica and the likes go down but I will forever support new SA companies against the “big boys”
Please don't stop looking for the B747-400 Combi's and passing on the information.
Thank you!!
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I have seen Impala, Avia, USAfrica and the likes go down but I will forever support new SA companies against the “big boys”
Please don't stop looking for the B747-400 Combi's and passing on the information.
Thank you!!
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I’m just supporting a SA company, maybe along the way they create a couple of job opportunities for “our” people and giving a certain carrier hell.
With a 744 combi the only thing going to hell is the owners bank balance
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According to my understanding the B747-400 Combi would be the only jet, capable of uplifting the contract cargo and passengers over the distance required. I’m by no means an expert on this but I’m sure they investigate all available options. It seems that I might have received some info on B747-400 Combi’s available for charter, will keep you informed.
Thank you
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Sort of interesting as to what gets hauled around and what makes money. I had a friend at one of the big Cargo outfits lay out the math one day and it seems that Passengers beyond being a pain in the ass, a liability and just generally looking for a free ride, are not always the best things to pay for an aircraft.
Take a look at the folks at FedEx, DHL, UPS etc. I dont know, but I can only assume that they are making pretty good coins. If you figure what one pays for an average envelope and take about 180 pounds of those you can see that they certainly get more money per volume than puking passengers with complaint forms in each hand.
Passengers have to travel, but based on what I have seen if I was an investor, I would look for big Cargo contracts.
Sombody clue me in..........
Take a look at the folks at FedEx, DHL, UPS etc. I dont know, but I can only assume that they are making pretty good coins. If you figure what one pays for an average envelope and take about 180 pounds of those you can see that they certainly get more money per volume than puking passengers with complaint forms in each hand.
Passengers have to travel, but based on what I have seen if I was an investor, I would look for big Cargo contracts.
Sombody clue me in..........
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BSousa, too true. To make the big money these days, one certaily has to look at the major freight operators. According to the Pro Pilot Salary Study for 2006, it is the UPS and Fedex boys that are earning the biggest bucks.
For comparison:
United Max Capt on largest $15028 pm
US Airways Max Capt on largest type $13215 pm
Northwest Max Capt on largest type $13075 pm
Fedex Max Capt on largest type $17943 pm
UPS Max Capt on largest type $17290 pm
Interesting to see that a LCC, Southwest Max Capt is $16175.
Apparently 737s obtained at a reasonable price and well managed can still make enough money to return good salaries.
For comparison:
United Max Capt on largest $15028 pm
US Airways Max Capt on largest type $13215 pm
Northwest Max Capt on largest type $13075 pm
Fedex Max Capt on largest type $17943 pm
UPS Max Capt on largest type $17290 pm
Interesting to see that a LCC, Southwest Max Capt is $16175.
Apparently 737s obtained at a reasonable price and well managed can still make enough money to return good salaries.
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Yes quite true- assuming you can make a return both ways- this market is veeeeery one directional- so effectively you make half the bucks. I know of at least one all cargo carrier that refuses to up load any cargo out of JNB (about all they take is a pallet stack)- instead they route EMPTY to another African country where they are able to uplift a load that offers an economical return. Just shows you the value of a full load.
I really need to say something here- simply to ward off potential employees to this type of fly by nighter- and believe me they will be. A 744 combi would be the absolutely WORST choice in aircraft imaginable. Southbound you may be ok- cell phones, car parts PC’s etc, but is you have a look at the majority of cargo shipped north/east/west whatever -its fresh produce. Now you want to load up 15 tons of fresh fish on the upper deck? You are really going to have to have a cool reception for your pax! Most of our exports fall into this category the list goes on..flowers etc etc.
Now I know some beanie is going to chirp up- we will put the pax bags up there- how much is that- 3 tons? return catering maybe another ton? What about the rest of the space??
The numbers just don’t add up- choose what you want to be all cargo- good idea- just don’t base yourself in South Africa, all pax- maybe not so good but you may find a nice down here in which to operate. Try and be a jack of all trades- I give it 2 rotations and it’s a goner.
I really need to say something here- simply to ward off potential employees to this type of fly by nighter- and believe me they will be. A 744 combi would be the absolutely WORST choice in aircraft imaginable. Southbound you may be ok- cell phones, car parts PC’s etc, but is you have a look at the majority of cargo shipped north/east/west whatever -its fresh produce. Now you want to load up 15 tons of fresh fish on the upper deck? You are really going to have to have a cool reception for your pax! Most of our exports fall into this category the list goes on..flowers etc etc.
Now I know some beanie is going to chirp up- we will put the pax bags up there- how much is that- 3 tons? return catering maybe another ton? What about the rest of the space??
The numbers just don’t add up- choose what you want to be all cargo- good idea- just don’t base yourself in South Africa, all pax- maybe not so good but you may find a nice down here in which to operate. Try and be a jack of all trades- I give it 2 rotations and it’s a goner.