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SAA's controversial plan to get co-pilots flying
September 16, 2006 Edition 1
Sheena Adams
South African Airways is on the brink of introducing a radical new pilot training programme, which will see trainees taking their place as co-pilots after 70 hours actual flying time.
The bulk of the training - 250 hours - will take place in flight simulators, which allows trainers to slash actual flying hours in a real aircraft by more than half. SAA spokesperson Jacqui O'Sullivan has confirmed the details of the new programme.
The cost-cutting initiative is part of efforts by the national carrier to introduce more black people into its pilot ranks.
Called a Multi-Crew Pilot Licence (MPL), the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) is currently drawing up programme standards and regulations, which could be ready in mid-2007, according to Captain Colin Jordaan, general manager of SAA's flight operations.
However, pilot associations around the world, including the Airline Pilots Association of South Africa (Alpa-SA), do not support the MPL, saying the safety of passengers will be compromised.
Jordaan said in an interview this week that the initiative would fast-track the num-ber of black pilots employed by the national carrier. At present, the airline employs just 66 black men and women pilots out of a total of 796.
SAA's target, introduced in 1996, was to have 300 black pilots by last year.
Jordaan said the new type of licence would be "a heck of a lot cheaper" to imple-ment than the airline's cadet school, which costs SAA R750 000 per person for the intensive 18-month course.
SAA already owns four simulators required for the new training and would thus only be paying for electricity and maintenance costs, he added.
Jordaan said the airline was intrinsically involved in the ICAO steering group drawing up the MPL regulations and that information was fed regularly to the South African Qualifications Authority to ensure that the programme, when implemented, would comply with the country's training regulations.
"We will be able to take a person off the street and train them in our simulators for between 12 and 18 months.
"They will then be able to move into the right-hand seat of a Boeing 747 as co-pilot," Jordaan said.
He said the course would be designed specifically for airline flying and would not devote any time to "unnecessary aspects" such as using topographical maps.
The course would entail just 70 hours of flying time in a real aircraft as opposed to the 200 flying hours required in order to get a commercial pilot's licence.
MPL graduates would only be able to fly in a "multi-crew environment" for the first few years, he added.
Opposition to the plan has been widespread, with organisations such as the European Cockpit Association (ECA), representing 29 professional pilots' associations, saying that the MPL risks downgrading the standards of commercial flight training when aircraft are becoming increasingly complex and when air traffic is expected to rise substantially over the coming years.
"Downgrading of these standards can not be accepted in an industry that relies on a permanently increasing safety profile and which faces numerous challenges over the coming years," the ECA said.
Alpa-SA president Harvey van Rooyen said he was concerned that while simulations could be useful, weather patterns such as storms could not be simulated.
The new licence was "obviously about costs" and Alpa-SA did not believe that 18-year-olds off the street would be able to handle intensive pilot training.
More thought should be given to taking in university graduates who were PC literate and had certain "technical advantages", said Van Rooyen.
"It is a little bit of a leap forward and people are just assuming it will work but I have my reservations. Flying is not monkey see, monkey do. You need to create people who can think under pressure.
"You can't pluck a rabbit out of a hat and then say: 'There you go! Transformation has been sorted out'," he said.
Jordaan brushed off claims that SAA's programme would compromise aviation safety. He said today's aircraft design and training programmes placed emphasis on co-operation between crew members unlike "in the old days when all the decisions were made by the captain".
Co-pilots would spend 10 years in the right-hand seat of aircraft before attaining commander status, he added.
It's being taken to a new level ppl!
Brace yourselves.........
September 16, 2006 Edition 1
Sheena Adams
South African Airways is on the brink of introducing a radical new pilot training programme, which will see trainees taking their place as co-pilots after 70 hours actual flying time.
The bulk of the training - 250 hours - will take place in flight simulators, which allows trainers to slash actual flying hours in a real aircraft by more than half. SAA spokesperson Jacqui O'Sullivan has confirmed the details of the new programme.
The cost-cutting initiative is part of efforts by the national carrier to introduce more black people into its pilot ranks.
Called a Multi-Crew Pilot Licence (MPL), the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) is currently drawing up programme standards and regulations, which could be ready in mid-2007, according to Captain Colin Jordaan, general manager of SAA's flight operations.
However, pilot associations around the world, including the Airline Pilots Association of South Africa (Alpa-SA), do not support the MPL, saying the safety of passengers will be compromised.
Jordaan said in an interview this week that the initiative would fast-track the num-ber of black pilots employed by the national carrier. At present, the airline employs just 66 black men and women pilots out of a total of 796.
SAA's target, introduced in 1996, was to have 300 black pilots by last year.
Jordaan said the new type of licence would be "a heck of a lot cheaper" to imple-ment than the airline's cadet school, which costs SAA R750 000 per person for the intensive 18-month course.
SAA already owns four simulators required for the new training and would thus only be paying for electricity and maintenance costs, he added.
Jordaan said the airline was intrinsically involved in the ICAO steering group drawing up the MPL regulations and that information was fed regularly to the South African Qualifications Authority to ensure that the programme, when implemented, would comply with the country's training regulations.
"We will be able to take a person off the street and train them in our simulators for between 12 and 18 months.
"They will then be able to move into the right-hand seat of a Boeing 747 as co-pilot," Jordaan said.
He said the course would be designed specifically for airline flying and would not devote any time to "unnecessary aspects" such as using topographical maps.
The course would entail just 70 hours of flying time in a real aircraft as opposed to the 200 flying hours required in order to get a commercial pilot's licence.
MPL graduates would only be able to fly in a "multi-crew environment" for the first few years, he added.
Opposition to the plan has been widespread, with organisations such as the European Cockpit Association (ECA), representing 29 professional pilots' associations, saying that the MPL risks downgrading the standards of commercial flight training when aircraft are becoming increasingly complex and when air traffic is expected to rise substantially over the coming years.
"Downgrading of these standards can not be accepted in an industry that relies on a permanently increasing safety profile and which faces numerous challenges over the coming years," the ECA said.
Alpa-SA president Harvey van Rooyen said he was concerned that while simulations could be useful, weather patterns such as storms could not be simulated.
The new licence was "obviously about costs" and Alpa-SA did not believe that 18-year-olds off the street would be able to handle intensive pilot training.
More thought should be given to taking in university graduates who were PC literate and had certain "technical advantages", said Van Rooyen.
"It is a little bit of a leap forward and people are just assuming it will work but I have my reservations. Flying is not monkey see, monkey do. You need to create people who can think under pressure.
"You can't pluck a rabbit out of a hat and then say: 'There you go! Transformation has been sorted out'," he said.
Jordaan brushed off claims that SAA's programme would compromise aviation safety. He said today's aircraft design and training programmes placed emphasis on co-operation between crew members unlike "in the old days when all the decisions were made by the captain".
Co-pilots would spend 10 years in the right-hand seat of aircraft before attaining commander status, he added.
It's being taken to a new level ppl!
Brace yourselves.........
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You know it's amazing, which ever way we turn our "leaders" make us look like ars*holes to the rest of the world, be it:
Education - dropping the standards to let PDs in
Health - Not providing enough hospitals
AIDs - Don't even go there...what a joke
Law - There is none
Justice - Huh, can we spell that?
And now...aviation
Well I guess I will NEVER be flying the national carrier again
Education - dropping the standards to let PDs in
Health - Not providing enough hospitals
AIDs - Don't even go there...what a joke
Law - There is none
Justice - Huh, can we spell that?
And now...aviation
Well I guess I will NEVER be flying the national carrier again
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I cannot believe that SAA can believe the ordinary public/ their passengers will go for this latest attempt to up the quota of non-white faces in the airline. It is bad enough that they employ nationals from other countries to fill spaces but now this. I wonder where SAAPA stand on this or are they protecting their latest "NEGOTIATED" salary increase . Where does CAA stand on this or are they just going with what they are dictated to as usual by the government/ ANC / SAA.
Having gone through the mill as most of us have i cannot comprehend that SAA management can get it in their heads to train someone in that short time and then put them in the right seat of a large transport aircraft and at the same time put 300 odd paying passengers lives on the line. We will be the laughing stock of the aviation world and South Africa's reputation will be further degraded.
How do the rest of the pilots feel at SAA . I feel sorry for the guys who really are trying to make a difference but how can they work like this. I believe that this attempt to fast track these people will lead to the down fall of the airline as people will not trust the experience of the crew. The public will not differentiate between the experienced captain and the inexperienced MPL co pilot.
I for one will not fly with a crew like that and will not let my family fly on SAA if this goes ahead. This is a sad day for SA aviation and South Africa.
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Just to set things straight - This MPL is not spearheaded by SAA (as the SAA Bashers would like to believe).
In fact, it was originally "designed" in Australia..
CJ750, as far as I can gather there is obvious objection the world over, and rightly so. But if it gets the nod, you will have to consider also not booking your family on European and Asian Airlines either, as they are mostly in on it as well...
In fact, it was originally "designed" in Australia..
The format of this license has been under discussion since last December by the 18-member ICAO Flight Crew Licensing and Training Panel (FCLTP), which includes representatives from 14 countries as well as from IAOPA, IATA, IBAC and IFALPA.
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Hard to comprend...
It's being taken to a new level ppl!
Brace yourselves.........
Well put!
I still cant picture the logistics of it...
1. So these cadets will go from 30 hours on a sceneca I to cojo on a 737?!?
2.What will some other countries have to say about aircrew of foreign aircraft entering their airspace with 70 hrs actual flying time? Im sure the FAA will have a cadenza! (ICAO approved or not)
3.The article stated how important co-operation between the crew was. How much faith could you have in such an inexperienced co-pilot's decision making ability?
Perhaps someone could enlighten me?
Gilksy
Brace yourselves.........
Well put!
I still cant picture the logistics of it...
1. So these cadets will go from 30 hours on a sceneca I to cojo on a 737?!?
2.What will some other countries have to say about aircrew of foreign aircraft entering their airspace with 70 hrs actual flying time? Im sure the FAA will have a cadenza! (ICAO approved or not)
3.The article stated how important co-operation between the crew was. How much faith could you have in such an inexperienced co-pilot's decision making ability?
Perhaps someone could enlighten me?
Gilksy
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What a load of horse****. What in the world are they smoking at SAA? Most of those super pilot cadets that they have can barely hack it in a Dash 8 after 200 hrs how can they ever hope to go straight into a 738, A319 without some kind of balls up!. This is utter rubbish. MPL? The only thing MPL stands for is Micro-light pilot license - full stop. I am non-white pilot and I am glad that the situation in this country allows me to fly and fulfil my dream. However, I do not believe in fast tracking or other crap like this MPL junk. I'm gonna enjoy my career and come up like everyone else should who wants to be in the airlines. I've done my bit instructing and contract flying is next. Seeing at what SAA is talking about I don't think I would ever want to work for them!
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This is the beginning of the end!!!
All we have to do if this happens is let the public know. This will empty all the seats. No way I would let any of my friends or family fly like this, even if it there is a senior capt at the controls.
What happens if he becomes incapacitated!
This is it! You cant bring the standards to the people, the people have to come up to standard!!!!
All we have to do if this happens is let the public know. This will empty all the seats. No way I would let any of my friends or family fly like this, even if it there is a senior capt at the controls.
What happens if he becomes incapacitated!
This is it! You cant bring the standards to the people, the people have to come up to standard!!!!
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I seem to recall that it is not only SAA that are behind this initiative - if my memory doesn't deceive me Lufthansa are also keen go down this route.
If you look at my posts you will see that generally I'm no fan of SAA but it seems you can't slag off SAA for what is an ICAO initiative.
Ultimately it seems that training captains are the only folks who can give an opinion as to whether 70 hours in a sim is better than 200 hours in small single engine aircraft - lets face it hour building is what an individual makes of it. And then with 200 hours your legal to carry pax.
Again thats not to say the 200 hour guys cant fly - they do very successfully in major european carriers.
SA has its problems but lets not be purile about banging on about SAA - if i sound holier than thou im in a crap mood but its fair comment i think
If you look at my posts you will see that generally I'm no fan of SAA but it seems you can't slag off SAA for what is an ICAO initiative.
Ultimately it seems that training captains are the only folks who can give an opinion as to whether 70 hours in a sim is better than 200 hours in small single engine aircraft - lets face it hour building is what an individual makes of it. And then with 200 hours your legal to carry pax.
Again thats not to say the 200 hour guys cant fly - they do very successfully in major european carriers.
SA has its problems but lets not be purile about banging on about SAA - if i sound holier than thou im in a crap mood but its fair comment i think
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It's absolutely pathetic. The fact that ICAO and a lot of the world's major airlines are even considering this rubbish is mind blowing. If they are looking for crew to fill the gaps being generated by this airline boom and orders flurry, why don't they get their heads around the blindingly obvious fact that there are thousands of qualified, eager and in most cases highly competent pilots plying their trade in the dark corners of the contract and charter world(we wouldn't be doing it if we didn't meet all three criteria). This doesn't solve the previously disadvantaged issue, but that is more of an SA scenario than a general world situation.
This trend of getting pilots to buy their way into their jobs with ratings etc is setting an unacceptable precedent and is creating a massive black hole effect that is destroying any prospect of sustainable supply and demand in the industry. The airlines need to wake up, cut the $&%@, and utilise the resources that are literally beating a path to their doorsteps (albeit, increasingly to no avail).
Who in their right mind honestly believes that sticking some 70 hour peanut in the right seat of a jet is a sensible thing to do?! It's only going to lead to a shift away from balanced crew resources on board and place the emphasis back on the shoulders of the P1. Steaming ahead to our previous blunders. The new breed of 'MPL' holders would be quite happy to have their bums in the hot seat, but then they wouldn't really know any better, would they? It's akin to dropping the exam standards because too many people find it difficult. It's difficult for a reason! Numbnuts!!!
The industry needs to show some solidarity, keep the flow of resources moving in both directions, and just maybe the bottom dwellers will rise to the occasion.
This trend of getting pilots to buy their way into their jobs with ratings etc is setting an unacceptable precedent and is creating a massive black hole effect that is destroying any prospect of sustainable supply and demand in the industry. The airlines need to wake up, cut the $&%@, and utilise the resources that are literally beating a path to their doorsteps (albeit, increasingly to no avail).
Who in their right mind honestly believes that sticking some 70 hour peanut in the right seat of a jet is a sensible thing to do?! It's only going to lead to a shift away from balanced crew resources on board and place the emphasis back on the shoulders of the P1. Steaming ahead to our previous blunders. The new breed of 'MPL' holders would be quite happy to have their bums in the hot seat, but then they wouldn't really know any better, would they? It's akin to dropping the exam standards because too many people find it difficult. It's difficult for a reason! Numbnuts!!!
The industry needs to show some solidarity, keep the flow of resources moving in both directions, and just maybe the bottom dwellers will rise to the occasion.
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Good God, just think, just now we'll have aeroplanes with no flight engineer. How unsafe will the skies be then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will rather swim across oceans in future..................... NOT!!
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sadly u right !
"SayWhat"
Sadly the era of the flight engineers at SAA came to an end with the fasing out of the B747 Classic of SAA in April 2004. "They"(flight engineers) were an excelent bunch to work with !
So......since April 2004 till present,if you were on any SAA flight, then you were flying on a "non flight engineer aircraft"! And so far all aircrafts(flights) have reach there destination safely on a daily basis, so u're ok to continue flying aircrafts without"good old flighties"!
I am !!
Sadly the era of the flight engineers at SAA came to an end with the fasing out of the B747 Classic of SAA in April 2004. "They"(flight engineers) were an excelent bunch to work with !
So......since April 2004 till present,if you were on any SAA flight, then you were flying on a "non flight engineer aircraft"! And so far all aircrafts(flights) have reach there destination safely on a daily basis, so u're ok to continue flying aircrafts without"good old flighties"!
I am !!
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Just to set things straight - This MPL is not spearheaded by SAA (as the SAA Bashers would like to believe).
In fact, it was originally "designed" in Australia..
CJ750, as far as I can gather there is obvious objection the world over, and rightly so. But if it gets the nod, you will have to consider also not booking your family on European and Asian Airlines either, as they are mostly in on it as well...
In fact, it was originally "designed" in Australia..
CJ750, as far as I can gather there is obvious objection the world over, and rightly so. But if it gets the nod, you will have to consider also not booking your family on European and Asian Airlines either, as they are mostly in on it as well...
Q4NVS thanks for the heads up but i feel that i have to bash SAA on this one. I may be wrong but i feel they are using this as a fast track for the PD's and i for one will not fly on their airline if this comes about and definitely will not let my family either.
As bianchi pointed out to all of us there are no flight engineers anymore so can you imagine a new MPL with an incapacitated captain sorting out a damaged aeroplane with your family on board. I don't care if he/she has had the best sim instructor in the world there is no way with that level of experience the new MPL will be up to it.
Oh another thing i do not obviously work for SAA so fortunately i cannot afford to send my family overseas at all like most SAA pilots can so if i do fly myself and my family locally it will be with any airline other than SAA as long as they are not using this MPL
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Jordaan said in an interview this week that the initiative would fast-track the num-ber of black pilots employed by the national carrier. At present, the airline employs just 66 black men and women pilots out of a total of 796.
Seems everything is going haywire in South Africa,just look at the medical side of SA, halfway through studying your MbCHB you can now choose to follow and complete normal medicine to be a GP, or go natural medicine and officially be a qualified Sangoma. Theres safety for you!-not just in aviation
Cockpit talk in 2008: "so which street corner were you picked up from to start your career" ............People will think very highly now of pilots now
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FANTASTIC!!!!!! what a brilliant idea, dunno why anyone hasn't thought of it before!!! it's the perfect solution!!!
oh...........no........hang on, maybe because it's insane!!!
having someone sitting in the right seat of a 'wide body' aircraft when this person has only got 70 hours actual flying time is pretty crazy. yes, i know they will have all that wonderful "i can save the world" sim time but come on!!! we don't fly 350 people around in sim's do we.
and with regard to training them into the airline scene for the get go, fine, but then we might as well not bother with our plotting exams, and half the rest of that crap that we have to study for in the exams. i'm pretty sure we all agree on the point that half the stuff we study for in the CPL/ATPL exmas is pointelss and we will never use much of it during our career. but it's a phasing out process, those you aren't dedicated enough, don't pass. simple, and those that do want it bad enough, pass, and those are the people that we want to be flying aircraft around.
i certainly hope this no-brainer scheme doesn't get the go ahead, i'm pretty sure that there are plenty of school kids interested in flying but then when they see what is actually required of them, they back away from it. but if this scheme goes ahead, then it makes it so much easier for anyone to fly. and we end up with a bunch of fools flying planes because it's a 'cool job' and not becuase it's something they have always wanted to do!! the ticket buyers pay good money to have the best people available to do the job, i'm sure they'd love to know that the person who's life their hands are in, has been fast tracked to save a buck.
it's absolute insanity!!! i think a well timed article in the sunday times will be read with great intertest by the SA public.
oh...........no........hang on, maybe because it's insane!!!
having someone sitting in the right seat of a 'wide body' aircraft when this person has only got 70 hours actual flying time is pretty crazy. yes, i know they will have all that wonderful "i can save the world" sim time but come on!!! we don't fly 350 people around in sim's do we.
and with regard to training them into the airline scene for the get go, fine, but then we might as well not bother with our plotting exams, and half the rest of that crap that we have to study for in the exams. i'm pretty sure we all agree on the point that half the stuff we study for in the CPL/ATPL exmas is pointelss and we will never use much of it during our career. but it's a phasing out process, those you aren't dedicated enough, don't pass. simple, and those that do want it bad enough, pass, and those are the people that we want to be flying aircraft around.
i certainly hope this no-brainer scheme doesn't get the go ahead, i'm pretty sure that there are plenty of school kids interested in flying but then when they see what is actually required of them, they back away from it. but if this scheme goes ahead, then it makes it so much easier for anyone to fly. and we end up with a bunch of fools flying planes because it's a 'cool job' and not becuase it's something they have always wanted to do!! the ticket buyers pay good money to have the best people available to do the job, i'm sure they'd love to know that the person who's life their hands are in, has been fast tracked to save a buck.
it's absolute insanity!!! i think a well timed article in the sunday times will be read with great intertest by the SA public.
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Relax guys. Lets see where they're going to find the training captains and PI's to train these guys - let alone the simulators. The simple fact is they don't have enough simulators to do the SAA recurrency/IF ratings AND train these dodos. They would have to send them all overseas - at a huge cost.
Personally I'll be very surprised if they get any training staff at all to partake in this hair-brained scheme. Anybody whose been through the system can tell you this idea is dead in the water - no matter what country it's tried in.
Yes - there are very low time F/O's in places like Singapore, Korea etc but those guys were all trained intensively on singles multis and Learjets BEFORE going to the 747 simulator.
Clearly the guys making these suggestions don't really have a clue.
This idea is obviously political, therefore devoid of any understanding for what the job really entails. Any management guy that backs this scheme is obviously doing so for another agenda and should do a tour of duty as a training captain to gain some insight for what he's proposing.
The stress it's going to put on the poor captain is going to be incredible . It's sure to cause an uprising. Eventually the aircraft insurance companies are going to get involved and ultimately it will be them (and the migration of passengers) that will put an end to this nonsense.
What I think is behind this idea internationally, is a realisation of the looming pilot shortage. They know its coming and are looking for a quick fix.
Personally I'll be very surprised if they get any training staff at all to partake in this hair-brained scheme. Anybody whose been through the system can tell you this idea is dead in the water - no matter what country it's tried in.
Yes - there are very low time F/O's in places like Singapore, Korea etc but those guys were all trained intensively on singles multis and Learjets BEFORE going to the 747 simulator.
Clearly the guys making these suggestions don't really have a clue.
This idea is obviously political, therefore devoid of any understanding for what the job really entails. Any management guy that backs this scheme is obviously doing so for another agenda and should do a tour of duty as a training captain to gain some insight for what he's proposing.
The stress it's going to put on the poor captain is going to be incredible . It's sure to cause an uprising. Eventually the aircraft insurance companies are going to get involved and ultimately it will be them (and the migration of passengers) that will put an end to this nonsense.What I think is behind this idea internationally, is a realisation of the looming pilot shortage. They know its coming and are looking for a quick fix.
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Hi guys i typed "Multi Crew Pilot Licence" into GOOGLE and came up with these 2 sites worth reading. Let me know what you think
AIN Online: ICAO mulls multi-crew pilot license proposal The proposal, for a multi-crew pilot license (MPL), is the subject of intense argument and is creating divisions among providers of airline flight crew ...
www.ainonline.com/issues/11_04/11_04_icaomullsp78.html - 17k - Cached - Similar pagesEuropean Cockpit Association Website - Multi-Crew Pilot Licenses ... ICAO is going to propose the adoption of a new type of license, the Multi-Crew Pilot License. The objective of this development is to reduce drastically the ...
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AIN Online: ICAO mulls multi-crew pilot license proposal The proposal, for a multi-crew pilot license (MPL), is the subject of intense argument and is creating divisions among providers of airline flight crew ...
www.ainonline.com/issues/11_04/11_04_icaomullsp78.html - 17k - Cached - Similar pagesEuropean Cockpit Association Website - Multi-Crew Pilot Licenses ... ICAO is going to propose the adoption of a new type of license, the Multi-Crew Pilot License. The objective of this development is to reduce drastically the ...
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South Africa still has a very active general aviation sector where all pilots start out and work themselves up the ladder. This isn't the case in many european countries and most of Asia where sometimes there is no general aviation and therefore no pool of experienced GA pilots to choose from. Hence why they've come up with this multi crew licence.
We certainly dont have this problem here in SA and the pool of experienced general aviation pilots is extensive to say the least!
If the goverment want more PD individuals sitting in Boeing's then they could sponsor them their comm licences though some sort of programme and let them WORK themselves up the general aviation ladder up to the airlines like everybody else in this country!
When are they going to understand that transformation cant take place overnight!!!
(lets see... here we have a 1900 captain with 4000hrs and this little dude with 70hrs and an MPL licence. Mmmm.... I think we'll go for Sipho, he should be fine. These Airbuse's fly themselves anyway.
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God help us all... Please.
We certainly dont have this problem here in SA and the pool of experienced general aviation pilots is extensive to say the least!
If the goverment want more PD individuals sitting in Boeing's then they could sponsor them their comm licences though some sort of programme and let them WORK themselves up the general aviation ladder up to the airlines like everybody else in this country!
When are they going to understand that transformation cant take place overnight!!!
(lets see... here we have a 1900 captain with 4000hrs and this little dude with 70hrs and an MPL licence. Mmmm.... I think we'll go for Sipho, he should be fine. These Airbuse's fly themselves anyway.
)God help us all... Please.
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Pilot shortage??
Pilot shortage....? Where have I heard that before?.... E.K. Gann maybe...1940's....?? T.Block, 1980's 1990's? Mmmmm... These folks knew about flying and trashed the idea then already. Or maybe not!
Pilot shortage implies 'supply and demand' apple sums. So, we are in for rather good pay-hikes then? I think not!
The day a pilot shortage has a reality in terms of supply and demand is the very day Hell freezes over!
Forget the concept in its entirety! Will never happen.Period!
More 9/11's, SARS, Bird flu -chasing away of pax, yes, that is certain to happen. Less demand for pilots, yes, that you CAN bank on. Forget the rest. Pipe dreams, of note.
Pilot shortage implies 'supply and demand' apple sums. So, we are in for rather good pay-hikes then? I think not!
The day a pilot shortage has a reality in terms of supply and demand is the very day Hell freezes over!
Forget the concept in its entirety! Will never happen.Period!
More 9/11's, SARS, Bird flu -chasing away of pax, yes, that is certain to happen. Less demand for pilots, yes, that you CAN bank on. Forget the rest. Pipe dreams, of note.
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My post on the Parallel thread on Rumours and News stands.
Come on "Joe Line Captain". Let's hear what you guys think about this abysmal turn in South African Aviation. I am sure you poor guys are just as worried as the rest of the flying public about this attempt by the powers that be to end all your careers prematurely. Sterkte Manne.
Come on "Joe Line Captain". Let's hear what you guys think about this abysmal turn in South African Aviation. I am sure you poor guys are just as worried as the rest of the flying public about this attempt by the powers that be to end all your careers prematurely. Sterkte Manne.