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Harrie, i support LJT. Maybe you should try to re read mgustavson2 post which i partly quote:
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Now that was really over the top.
Hey, my fellow Americans, how about we lobby our government to prevent foreign pilots from working in the U.S.?
Or, we could hassle them like the Saudis and Nigerians, after they invite you there.
. Maybe we could train only Americans at our flight training facilities. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Or, we could hassle them like the Saudis and Nigerians, after they invite you there.
. Maybe we could train only Americans at our flight training facilities. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Now that was really over the top.
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have found the following on the internet: http://www.pilotcareercentre.com/Upd...?UpdateID=2194
PCC AVNEWS CLIP: 9/12/2007
Arik Air announces new B737, 777, and 787 orders
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PCC AVNEWS CLIP: 9/12/2007
Arik Air announces new B737, 777, and 787 orders
Arik Air Expands Fleet with Boeing 787s, 737s and Additional 777-300ER
Wednesday September 12, 1:08 pm ET
- Nigerian carrier latest African airline to opt for Boeing airplanes for fleet growth
SEATTLE, Sept. 12 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Boeing and Arik Air, Nigeria's newest commercial carrier, today announced an order for 10 Next-Generation 737-800s, four 787-9s and one 777-300ER (Extended Range). The order is valued at approximately $1.8 billion at list prices.
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The 777-300ER was previously booked as unidentified on Boeing's Orders & Deliveries website. Arik's 10 737-800s and four 787-9s will be added at the next scheduled website update.
In April, Arik Air took delivery of two 737-700s and announced an order for two 777-200LRs (Longer Range), two 777-300ERs and three 787-9s to initiate the largest and most aggressive fleet modernization program in Nigeria's aviation history.
"This additional order for Boeing jets demonstrates our commitment and a purposeful strategy to establish world-class commercial aviation service in Nigeria," said Arik's Managing Director Mike McTighe. "Our selection of a mix of Boeing products to serve our customers regionally and internationally is founded on thorough analysis to conduct the most economic and profitable operations, while providing unmatched comfort and safety for our passengers."
Arik Air is the second African airline to select both the 787 and 777 families of twin-aisle jetliners. The airplanes' design and operational commonality allows airlines more choices and less risk in structuring the most economic, efficient and profitable route planning. Boeing is also working with the airline to help Nigeria achieve U.S. FAA Category 1 status, which would allow Arik Air to fly directly to and from the U.S.
"Arik truly understands the dynamics of airplane economics and fleet planning," said Lee Monson, Boeing Commercial Airplanes vice president of Sales for the Middle East and Africa. "With a modern, mixed fleet of Boeing jets, the airline will serve its customers well and enhance its capability for growth and success that contributes directly to Nigeria's economic development."
Arik Air is Nigeria's fastest-growing privately owned airline and serves over 11 domestic routes with a fleet of 16 airplanes. The airline also is playing a pivotal role in the improvement of Nigeria's aviation infrastructure.
Wednesday September 12, 1:08 pm ET
- Nigerian carrier latest African airline to opt for Boeing airplanes for fleet growth
SEATTLE, Sept. 12 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Boeing and Arik Air, Nigeria's newest commercial carrier, today announced an order for 10 Next-Generation 737-800s, four 787-9s and one 777-300ER (Extended Range). The order is valued at approximately $1.8 billion at list prices.
ADVERTISEMENT
The 777-300ER was previously booked as unidentified on Boeing's Orders & Deliveries website. Arik's 10 737-800s and four 787-9s will be added at the next scheduled website update.
In April, Arik Air took delivery of two 737-700s and announced an order for two 777-200LRs (Longer Range), two 777-300ERs and three 787-9s to initiate the largest and most aggressive fleet modernization program in Nigeria's aviation history.
"This additional order for Boeing jets demonstrates our commitment and a purposeful strategy to establish world-class commercial aviation service in Nigeria," said Arik's Managing Director Mike McTighe. "Our selection of a mix of Boeing products to serve our customers regionally and internationally is founded on thorough analysis to conduct the most economic and profitable operations, while providing unmatched comfort and safety for our passengers."
Arik Air is the second African airline to select both the 787 and 777 families of twin-aisle jetliners. The airplanes' design and operational commonality allows airlines more choices and less risk in structuring the most economic, efficient and profitable route planning. Boeing is also working with the airline to help Nigeria achieve U.S. FAA Category 1 status, which would allow Arik Air to fly directly to and from the U.S.
"Arik truly understands the dynamics of airplane economics and fleet planning," said Lee Monson, Boeing Commercial Airplanes vice president of Sales for the Middle East and Africa. "With a modern, mixed fleet of Boeing jets, the airline will serve its customers well and enhance its capability for growth and success that contributes directly to Nigeria's economic development."
Arik Air is Nigeria's fastest-growing privately owned airline and serves over 11 domestic routes with a fleet of 16 airplanes. The airline also is playing a pivotal role in the improvement of Nigeria's aviation infrastructure.
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From: BOEING.COM
http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/...70912c_nr.html
Arik Air Expands Fleet with Boeing 787s, 737s and additional 777-300ER
Nigerian carrier latest African airline to opt for Boeing airplanes for fleet growth
Click image to view Photo Release.
These images are available for editorial use by news media on: boeingmedia.com
SEATTLE, Sept. 12, 2007 -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] and Arik Air, Nigeria's newest commercial carrier, today announced an order for 10 Next-Generation 737-800s, four 787-9s and one 777-300ER (Extended Range). The order is valued at approximately $1.8 billion at list prices.
The 777-300ER was previously booked as unidentified on Boeing's Orders & Deliveries website. Arik's 10 737-800s and four 787-9s will be added at the next scheduled website update.
In April, Arik Air took delivery of two 737-700s and announced an order for two 777-200LRs (Longer Range), two 777-300ERs and three 787-9s to initiate the largest and most aggressive fleet modernization program in Nigeria's aviation history.
"This additional order for Boeing jets demonstrates our commitment and a purposeful strategy to establish world-class commercial aviation service in Nigeria," said Arik's Managing Director Mike McTighe. "Our selection of a mix of Boeing products to serve our customers regionally and internationally is founded on thorough analysis to conduct the most economic and profitable operations, while providing unmatched comfort and safety for our passengers."
Arik Air is the second African airline to select both the 787 and 777 families of twin-aisle jetliners. The airplanes' design and operational commonality allows airlines more choices and less risk in structuring the most economic, efficient and profitable route planning. Boeing is also working with the airline to help Nigeria achieve U.S. FAA Category 1 status, which would allow Arik Air to fly directly to and from the U.S.
"Arik truly understands the dynamics of airplane economics and fleet planning," said Lee Monson, Boeing Commercial Airplanes vice president of Sales for the Middle East and Africa. "With a modern, mixed fleet of Boeing jets, the airline will serve its customers well and enhance its capability for growth and success that contributes directly to Nigeria's economic development."
Arik Air is Nigeria's fastest-growing privately owned airline and serves over 11 domestic routes with a fleet of 16 airplanes. The airline also is playing a pivotal role in the improvement of Nigeria's aviation infrastructure.
Additional Information:
The 737-800 is the most popular member of the Next-Generation 737 family, with more than 2,300 airplanes ordered. The 737-800's market success is confirmed by air finance investors, who consistently rank it as the most preferred airplane due to its wide market base, superior performance efficiency and lowest operating costs in its class.
The 777 family of airplanes is popular with passengers and airlines because of its fuel-efficient twin-engine design, high reliability, low operating costs, and comfortable and spacious interior. The 777-300ER is the world's largest long-range twin-engine jetliner capable of carrying 365 passengers up to 7,930 nautical miles (14,685 kilometers). With its twin-engine efficiency, the 777-300ER reduces fuel consumption by more than 20 percent per seat compared to its closest competitor, therefore reducing CO2 emissions by more than 20 percent. To date, Boeing has won 1,004 orders for the 777 from 52 customers worldwide.
The Boeing 787 Dreamliner, scheduled for delivery beginning in 2008, provides passengers with a better flying experience and operators with a more efficient commercial jetliner. Using 20 percent less fuel per passenger than similarly sized airplanes, the 787 is designed for the environment with lower emissions and quieter takeoffs and landings. Inside the airplane, passengers will find cleaner air, bigger windows, more stowage space and improved lighting. Forty-eight airlines have logged 710 orders since the 787 launch in April 2004, making the Dreamliner the most successful commercial airplane launch in history.
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Arik Air Expands Fleet with Boeing 787s, 737s and additional 777-300ER
Nigerian carrier latest African airline to opt for Boeing airplanes for fleet growth
Click image to view Photo Release.
These images are available for editorial use by news media on: boeingmedia.com
SEATTLE, Sept. 12, 2007 -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] and Arik Air, Nigeria's newest commercial carrier, today announced an order for 10 Next-Generation 737-800s, four 787-9s and one 777-300ER (Extended Range). The order is valued at approximately $1.8 billion at list prices.
The 777-300ER was previously booked as unidentified on Boeing's Orders & Deliveries website. Arik's 10 737-800s and four 787-9s will be added at the next scheduled website update.
In April, Arik Air took delivery of two 737-700s and announced an order for two 777-200LRs (Longer Range), two 777-300ERs and three 787-9s to initiate the largest and most aggressive fleet modernization program in Nigeria's aviation history.
"This additional order for Boeing jets demonstrates our commitment and a purposeful strategy to establish world-class commercial aviation service in Nigeria," said Arik's Managing Director Mike McTighe. "Our selection of a mix of Boeing products to serve our customers regionally and internationally is founded on thorough analysis to conduct the most economic and profitable operations, while providing unmatched comfort and safety for our passengers."
Arik Air is the second African airline to select both the 787 and 777 families of twin-aisle jetliners. The airplanes' design and operational commonality allows airlines more choices and less risk in structuring the most economic, efficient and profitable route planning. Boeing is also working with the airline to help Nigeria achieve U.S. FAA Category 1 status, which would allow Arik Air to fly directly to and from the U.S.
"Arik truly understands the dynamics of airplane economics and fleet planning," said Lee Monson, Boeing Commercial Airplanes vice president of Sales for the Middle East and Africa. "With a modern, mixed fleet of Boeing jets, the airline will serve its customers well and enhance its capability for growth and success that contributes directly to Nigeria's economic development."
Arik Air is Nigeria's fastest-growing privately owned airline and serves over 11 domestic routes with a fleet of 16 airplanes. The airline also is playing a pivotal role in the improvement of Nigeria's aviation infrastructure.
Additional Information:
The 737-800 is the most popular member of the Next-Generation 737 family, with more than 2,300 airplanes ordered. The 737-800's market success is confirmed by air finance investors, who consistently rank it as the most preferred airplane due to its wide market base, superior performance efficiency and lowest operating costs in its class.
The 777 family of airplanes is popular with passengers and airlines because of its fuel-efficient twin-engine design, high reliability, low operating costs, and comfortable and spacious interior. The 777-300ER is the world's largest long-range twin-engine jetliner capable of carrying 365 passengers up to 7,930 nautical miles (14,685 kilometers). With its twin-engine efficiency, the 777-300ER reduces fuel consumption by more than 20 percent per seat compared to its closest competitor, therefore reducing CO2 emissions by more than 20 percent. To date, Boeing has won 1,004 orders for the 777 from 52 customers worldwide.
The Boeing 787 Dreamliner, scheduled for delivery beginning in 2008, provides passengers with a better flying experience and operators with a more efficient commercial jetliner. Using 20 percent less fuel per passenger than similarly sized airplanes, the 787 is designed for the environment with lower emissions and quieter takeoffs and landings. Inside the airplane, passengers will find cleaner air, bigger windows, more stowage space and improved lighting. Forty-eight airlines have logged 710 orders since the 787 launch in April 2004, making the Dreamliner the most successful commercial airplane launch in history.
###
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Brian Walker
Boeing Commercial Airplanes
Middle East & Africa Communications
206-766-2929
Vicki Ray
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425-965-9382
Adam Morgan
787 Program
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425-294-6103
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777 Program
Communications
425-294-6105
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History to repeat itself?
I was privileged to witness the rise and fall of Nigeria Airways, upgrading to the Hairbrush 310 from the no-good Boeing 737 and Fokker F-28. We all know how that story ended!
Is it not so that the basic problem is that the Nigerian market simply cannot support very many airlines using new equipment? Yours is, sorry to say, basically a poor, Third-World country. Full of big talk, yes, but, "Fine words butter no parsnips." Just where is the Return on Investment going to come from to pay for $1.8 billion worth of new aircraft? Come to that, just where did the money come from in the first place? A shoe-box under the Chairman's bed; I see....
I was just watching the news this morning. "Boeing advises that some of the orders for new aircraft from small airlines may not result in deliveries." (BBC News of the World.) I wonder what they meant by that?
Is it not so that the basic problem is that the Nigerian market simply cannot support very many airlines using new equipment? Yours is, sorry to say, basically a poor, Third-World country. Full of big talk, yes, but, "Fine words butter no parsnips." Just where is the Return on Investment going to come from to pay for $1.8 billion worth of new aircraft? Come to that, just where did the money come from in the first place? A shoe-box under the Chairman's bed; I see....
I was just watching the news this morning. "Boeing advises that some of the orders for new aircraft from small airlines may not result in deliveries." (BBC News of the World.) I wonder what they meant by that?
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a purposeful strategy to establish world-class commercial aviation service in Nigeria," said Arik's Managing Director Mike McTighe.
I read adverts online saying something about an attractive rotation plan of 8 weeks on duty followed by 4 weeks off duty. That's not attractive in todays market. Another advert mentioned
Excellent accommodation (including free meals)
I do agree with the one saying something about a modern fleet. But you can not have a modern fleet parked on the tarmac without sending them flying. That must be bad for the income side of Arik Air. Chuks made an interesting comment in his last post:
Just where is the Return on Investment going to come from to pay for $1.8 billion worth of new aircraft? Come to that, just where did the money come from in the first place? A shoe-box under the Chairman's bed; I see....
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Good point about finding crew, but then that does not affect only Arik Air. The likes of VirginNigeria Aero etc, I must say will be affected by the lack of crew also.
On the other hand we do have a good number of lads either completing their training or undergoing training as we speak. As a matter of fact, records show that for the first time in the history of aviation training here in Nigeria a record number of Nigerian pilots are undergoing training in Major establishments in the UK, USA and RSA.
Whats so exciting too about them is that the majority of them are self sponsored and are quite excited about a career back home in Nigeria.
I know five of them including a young lady who have just completed their travel arrangements and are about to leave for RSA to start training the young lady already has a ppl and is returning to complete the ab initio course.
I believe that between now and december 2008 Nigeria will be able to complement her local carriers with a good number of Nigerian pilots who will be readily available for employment.
Also the recent interest shown by pilots from south america in Nigeria is also a welcome developement, they are quite a few around now from Peru and Argentina flying with the local carriers and are an excellent bunch of guys with tons of experience.
So even saying things like being basically a poor, Third-World country. Full of big talk, yes, but, "Fine words butter no parsnips." might just be too far fetched right now, the fact is our aviation industry is growing and rapidly too and will require a good number of trained professionals and we must be able to encourage the new guys coming in by assimilating them and providing the resources and infrastructure they require to become highly proficient pilots, engineers and the likes.
I must also add that its quite encouraging to see that a good number of our local airlines are picking up these youngsters and doing their type ratings, advanced training etc... as they return home, this is good and should be applauded, I wish I had found that when I returned back home in 1995 fresh from training
Lets all be enthusiastic about this sudden and breathtaking surge in our industry and embrace it with open arms and encourage each other.
Let me also add that I also witnessed the rise and fall of Nigeria Airways, but let me categoricaly state that this is not the same scenario or playing ground as it was then, during the times of Airways, believe me, and I thank God for that too.
With the fresh bloods been introduced into the industry and the help of right thinking people in the industry both local and foreign will be able to manage it.
I'll just end now by paying tribute to a young Nigerian pilot and his instructor at the 43 Air School in RSA who sadly lost their lives when their helicopter crashed during a final preparation flight for his HCPL checkride in RSA. Olumide Omojeni was 26yrs old.
On the other hand we do have a good number of lads either completing their training or undergoing training as we speak. As a matter of fact, records show that for the first time in the history of aviation training here in Nigeria a record number of Nigerian pilots are undergoing training in Major establishments in the UK, USA and RSA.
Whats so exciting too about them is that the majority of them are self sponsored and are quite excited about a career back home in Nigeria.
I know five of them including a young lady who have just completed their travel arrangements and are about to leave for RSA to start training the young lady already has a ppl and is returning to complete the ab initio course.
I believe that between now and december 2008 Nigeria will be able to complement her local carriers with a good number of Nigerian pilots who will be readily available for employment.
Also the recent interest shown by pilots from south america in Nigeria is also a welcome developement, they are quite a few around now from Peru and Argentina flying with the local carriers and are an excellent bunch of guys with tons of experience.
So even saying things like being basically a poor, Third-World country. Full of big talk, yes, but, "Fine words butter no parsnips." might just be too far fetched right now, the fact is our aviation industry is growing and rapidly too and will require a good number of trained professionals and we must be able to encourage the new guys coming in by assimilating them and providing the resources and infrastructure they require to become highly proficient pilots, engineers and the likes.
I must also add that its quite encouraging to see that a good number of our local airlines are picking up these youngsters and doing their type ratings, advanced training etc... as they return home, this is good and should be applauded, I wish I had found that when I returned back home in 1995 fresh from training
Lets all be enthusiastic about this sudden and breathtaking surge in our industry and embrace it with open arms and encourage each other.
Let me also add that I also witnessed the rise and fall of Nigeria Airways, but let me categoricaly state that this is not the same scenario or playing ground as it was then, during the times of Airways, believe me, and I thank God for that too.
With the fresh bloods been introduced into the industry and the help of right thinking people in the industry both local and foreign will be able to manage it.
I'll just end now by paying tribute to a young Nigerian pilot and his instructor at the 43 Air School in RSA who sadly lost their lives when their helicopter crashed during a final preparation flight for his HCPL checkride in RSA. Olumide Omojeni was 26yrs old.
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Fancy machines - not enough pilots
ZAZOO,
I agree with you all the way when you talk about the young pilots trying to get afoot hold in this business. But what I tried to focus on in my last post was the need for experienced pilots ready to take command and lead the pack in an expansion like the one Arik is facing. Those pilots are not going to surface unless the Arik top two persones come to terms with the fact that international aviation can offer better terms these days than they are willing to. Fancy new 737-700, 800 and 777s will in itself be attractive, but not for any cost.
Ok, so you will see some guys and girls sliding over from other carriers in Nigeria in order to get away from the older tyupes of aircrafts. But by far enough to cover the expansion in the next 2-3 years. And if too many leave VN and Aero, these carriers will face the same problem as Arik. What it boils down to is willingness and the ability to face the reality. Otherwise, I am afraid the Arik Chairman will run out of funds at some stage.
It's pretty amaing how history repeats itself. This time through Arik Air. Buying/leasing aircrafts and opening up new routes without having enough staff to care of business
I agree with you all the way when you talk about the young pilots trying to get afoot hold in this business. But what I tried to focus on in my last post was the need for experienced pilots ready to take command and lead the pack in an expansion like the one Arik is facing. Those pilots are not going to surface unless the Arik top two persones come to terms with the fact that international aviation can offer better terms these days than they are willing to. Fancy new 737-700, 800 and 777s will in itself be attractive, but not for any cost.
Ok, so you will see some guys and girls sliding over from other carriers in Nigeria in order to get away from the older tyupes of aircrafts. But by far enough to cover the expansion in the next 2-3 years. And if too many leave VN and Aero, these carriers will face the same problem as Arik. What it boils down to is willingness and the ability to face the reality. Otherwise, I am afraid the Arik Chairman will run out of funds at some stage.
It's pretty amaing how history repeats itself. This time through Arik Air. Buying/leasing aircrafts and opening up new routes without having enough staff to care of business
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"Those pilots are not going to surface unless the Arik top two persones come to terms with the fact that international aviation can offer better terms these days than they are willing to. Fancy new 737-700, 800 and 777s will in itself be attractive, but not for any cost."
I believe Zazoo understood your post HavingSaidThat, but if I may, I would like to contribute my own thoughts here.
Nigeria has experienced pilots ready to take command and lead the pack in the current growth and expansion we are experiencing right now. Locally we can source out these pilots. They are here, VirginNigeria and Aero are definetly on course when it comes to that and are looking into the future as regards the current growth and expansion here in Nigeria.
Agreed there are companies with better packages out there, but 90% of the lads working in Nigeria are not interested in working outside Nigeria. The fact is they do not have the right to work in those countries I believe you are referring to as having better packages.
Secondly even if they hsd the right to work in those so called countries the packages offered here in Lagos in comparison to leaving in a foreign land away from family and friends is just fine for our nationals here with regards to the standard of living in our beloved Nigeria, actualy its a good deal.
Those planes will fly with or without foreign crew, Bellviw airlines B767 are crewed and captained by fine Nigerian pilots flying under Nigerian Packages and so far they have done a fine job. There are many many more men and women out there who are highly experienced pilots and ready to take command and lead the pack in Nigeria, check out the town (Lagos) and see the lads who are returning from DAS AIR, Saudi etc...
Also with regards to all this talk concerning help from experienced foreign crew to make things work in our industry, well, I personaly consider my Ghanaian, Guinean, Togolese and South African colleagues as foreign and very welcomed to fly here too.
B
I believe Zazoo understood your post HavingSaidThat, but if I may, I would like to contribute my own thoughts here.
Nigeria has experienced pilots ready to take command and lead the pack in the current growth and expansion we are experiencing right now. Locally we can source out these pilots. They are here, VirginNigeria and Aero are definetly on course when it comes to that and are looking into the future as regards the current growth and expansion here in Nigeria.
Agreed there are companies with better packages out there, but 90% of the lads working in Nigeria are not interested in working outside Nigeria. The fact is they do not have the right to work in those countries I believe you are referring to as having better packages.
Secondly even if they hsd the right to work in those so called countries the packages offered here in Lagos in comparison to leaving in a foreign land away from family and friends is just fine for our nationals here with regards to the standard of living in our beloved Nigeria, actualy its a good deal.
Those planes will fly with or without foreign crew, Bellviw airlines B767 are crewed and captained by fine Nigerian pilots flying under Nigerian Packages and so far they have done a fine job. There are many many more men and women out there who are highly experienced pilots and ready to take command and lead the pack in Nigeria, check out the town (Lagos) and see the lads who are returning from DAS AIR, Saudi etc...
Also with regards to all this talk concerning help from experienced foreign crew to make things work in our industry, well, I personaly consider my Ghanaian, Guinean, Togolese and South African colleagues as foreign and very welcomed to fly here too.
B
Hi FT, not sure what your question re has anyone come across me is about? There are a few people on here who can vouch for the reality of my existence 
I am currently working in the Middle East, but would welcome the chance to return to Nigeria if the right opporunity arose.
I am currently working in the Middle East, but would welcome the chance to return to Nigeria if the right opporunity arose.
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Regarding flightcrew, I know we can handle it, we have a good number of professional, experienced and right thinking Nigerian Pilots around now.
And also with the interest currently shown by our West African colleagues who have always been part of our industry it will not be a problem. With good effort I believe it can be done.
Thanks for the B767 compliment Balewa and by the way, Bellview just completed the line training of another Nigerian Captain and F/O on the B767 after their training at American Airlines in Dallas, both have been released and are flying online today. Both flew the B737 before upgrade. Fine colleagues of mine too and happy for them.
Bonjour Sn, how now.
Zaz
And also with the interest currently shown by our West African colleagues who have always been part of our industry it will not be a problem. With good effort I believe it can be done.
Thanks for the B767 compliment Balewa and by the way, Bellview just completed the line training of another Nigerian Captain and F/O on the B767 after their training at American Airlines in Dallas, both have been released and are flying online today. Both flew the B737 before upgrade. Fine colleagues of mine too and happy for them.
Bonjour Sn, how now.
Zaz
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How heartening to ask about me FT 
You'd be glad to know that im still lurking around - albeit as observer, due to major commitments in academia and the workplace.
How are things with you, are you in Kano?
You'd be glad to know that im still lurking around - albeit as observer, due to major commitments in academia and the workplace.
How are things with you, are you in Kano?
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Right, you lot can moan about the good things that Mr Johnson is trying to slowly put in place, we can't be classified as humans if we don't moan. You know what we will be? Aliens as the yanks call foreigners! Which leads me to a Yank who decided to commit Pprune Suicide on 7th September 2007 at exactly 19:26. Well that was the time the Pprune doctors noted for his time of attempted suicide!
Letter to the suicidal Mr mgustavson2:
Hey Mister mgustavson2,
So sorry to have read your suicidal comments on Pprune. It must have been hard getting chucked out of Naija and with no job from Uncle Sam, so you thought you will bash the land of the Green and White and Green!
Don't even go there because you will be opening up a gigantic CAN OF WORMS about your imperialist and protectionist United States of America.
One thing you Americans don't realise is that there are too many qualified US pilots for too little available jobs in the US. So you tell me, how many foreigners (or Aliens as you guys refer to other Human Beings) get to sniff the smell of an airliner seat on a US carrier's fleet?
Answer that question with aplomb and I will acclaim you to know what you are moaning about, OTHERWISE, go to Arizona and get some sunburn! You don't need to go to Lagos for it.
Bear in mind that I am not defending ArikAir but the image of you using ArikAir to define Nigeria, we don't want to hear that at all, mister! You must have seen a big FISH in Lagos for you to have ventured onto that green land! Don't be a Yankee cat who lost his fish and started crying miaow, miaow!
Earnestly awaiting your interesting response to all of us!
NaijaNinja doesn't let anyone bite the Nigerian Pizza and then throw it back on the plate, no way Mr mgustavson2! You try it, i will show you some Ninja style action!
Letter to the suicidal Mr mgustavson2:
Hey Mister mgustavson2,
So sorry to have read your suicidal comments on Pprune. It must have been hard getting chucked out of Naija and with no job from Uncle Sam, so you thought you will bash the land of the Green and White and Green!
Don't even go there because you will be opening up a gigantic CAN OF WORMS about your imperialist and protectionist United States of America.
One thing you Americans don't realise is that there are too many qualified US pilots for too little available jobs in the US. So you tell me, how many foreigners (or Aliens as you guys refer to other Human Beings) get to sniff the smell of an airliner seat on a US carrier's fleet?
Answer that question with aplomb and I will acclaim you to know what you are moaning about, OTHERWISE, go to Arizona and get some sunburn! You don't need to go to Lagos for it.
Bear in mind that I am not defending ArikAir but the image of you using ArikAir to define Nigeria, we don't want to hear that at all, mister! You must have seen a big FISH in Lagos for you to have ventured onto that green land! Don't be a Yankee cat who lost his fish and started crying miaow, miaow!
Earnestly awaiting your interesting response to all of us!
NaijaNinja doesn't let anyone bite the Nigerian Pizza and then throw it back on the plate, no way Mr mgustavson2! You try it, i will show you some Ninja style action!
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I love it!
To "bite the pizza and then throw it back on the plate..." Perhaps I need to get out more but that is a new one to me and very appropriate. Well said!
I have no problems with the quality of Nigerian pilots and Nigerians in general. Not that I would let the average Lagosian hold my wallet while I go swimming at Tarkwa Bay, but.... The problems I saw were with the regulators and the operators for the most part and I do NOT think those problems have gone away.
I flew with some very impressive airmen, especially considering the way they could bear up under very hard conditions that could and did cause many expats to freak out and lose their tiny minds. Many of the best Nigerians have left, however and not a few of the rest have "gone west" in various stupidly obvious accidents down to working for some pretty sleazy companies.
Not least, here we have a company, Arik, run by visibly dodgy characters who have conjured up $1.8 billion out of thin air. Please do not think this is a serious operation. Of course Boeing is happy to book the orders and take the deposits but where is the business plan to make all of this work?
I have no problems with the quality of Nigerian pilots and Nigerians in general. Not that I would let the average Lagosian hold my wallet while I go swimming at Tarkwa Bay, but.... The problems I saw were with the regulators and the operators for the most part and I do NOT think those problems have gone away.
I flew with some very impressive airmen, especially considering the way they could bear up under very hard conditions that could and did cause many expats to freak out and lose their tiny minds. Many of the best Nigerians have left, however and not a few of the rest have "gone west" in various stupidly obvious accidents down to working for some pretty sleazy companies.
Not least, here we have a company, Arik, run by visibly dodgy characters who have conjured up $1.8 billion out of thin air. Please do not think this is a serious operation. Of course Boeing is happy to book the orders and take the deposits but where is the business plan to make all of this work?
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chucks,
You make a couple of statements that I would like you to elaborate around. Not because I disagree with you, but for the sake of all of us interested in, and following what's going on in Nigeria. Many of us, locals included have a tendency to "not seeing the forest for all the trees". Read: fancy new aircrafts, it must be good. If you're on to something I suggest we all make an effort to see the Arik expansion from a slightly different angle.
Do I read that you see a too close cooperation between the regulators and the operators. Also called politics? Or does your observation go in atotally different direction?
I am not going to ask you if you ever worked for the outfit. That would only create a lot of posts saying you're trying to get back on the management for one reason or another, when you're probably trying to shed an objective, and different from most on this thread, viewpoint. But "run by visibly dodgy characters" and "do not think this is a serious operation" must have a foothold somewhere. I am looking forward to your next post.
You make a couple of statements that I would like you to elaborate around. Not because I disagree with you, but for the sake of all of us interested in, and following what's going on in Nigeria. Many of us, locals included have a tendency to "not seeing the forest for all the trees". Read: fancy new aircrafts, it must be good. If you're on to something I suggest we all make an effort to see the Arik expansion from a slightly different angle.
but.... The problems I saw were with the regulators and the operators for the most part and I do NOT think those problems have gone away.
Not least, here we have a company, Arik, run by visibly dodgy characters who have conjured up $1.8 billion out of thin air. Please do not think this is a serious operation.
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"Dodgy Charachters and unserious operation"
I could agree with the above post concerning Arik Air's 'dodgy characters', but I would have to disagree on the alleged lack of seriousness.
If this were so, Arik would not have appointed renowned international consultants to intricately put together a business plan including a route and fleet optimization strategy.
If this is a money laundering scheme, then the owners have done a good job in cleaning the money REAL well because Arik has somehow revolutionized Nigeria's air transport system for the better. It is difficult to imagine the industry with Virgin Nigeria and Aero going at it alone.
Hopefully professional start-ups like Dana Air can provide needed capacity in the event Arik folds following legal proceedings against it.
Cheers
If this were so, Arik would not have appointed renowned international consultants to intricately put together a business plan including a route and fleet optimization strategy.
If this is a money laundering scheme, then the owners have done a good job in cleaning the money REAL well because Arik has somehow revolutionized Nigeria's air transport system for the better. It is difficult to imagine the industry with Virgin Nigeria and Aero going at it alone.
Hopefully professional start-ups like Dana Air can provide needed capacity in the event Arik folds following legal proceedings against it.
Cheers
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"Not least, here we have a company, Arik, run by visibly dodgy characters who have conjured up $1.8 billion out of thin air."
chuks, thanks for the compliment but tell me Sir, whats your beef with Arik man, why not enlighten us on this whole thing about Arik $1,8 billion and the dodgy characters running the show you keep talking about. Is you got some personal vendetta with Arik, did you loose out on I dunno a contract or pouf ...just let it out
Many of us, locals included have a tendency to "not seeing the forest for all the trees".
aw com on HavingSaidThat give it a break will you we get your point.
By the way lads just out of interest I felt I should tell you this, I counted not less than 45 Expat pilots from Arik at the Hotel in Opebi yesterday.
chuks, thanks for the compliment but tell me Sir, whats your beef with Arik man, why not enlighten us on this whole thing about Arik $1,8 billion and the dodgy characters running the show you keep talking about. Is you got some personal vendetta with Arik, did you loose out on I dunno a contract or pouf ...just let it out
Many of us, locals included have a tendency to "not seeing the forest for all the trees".
aw com on HavingSaidThat give it a break will you
we get your point.By the way lads just out of interest I felt I should tell you this, I counted not less than 45 Expat pilots from Arik at the Hotel in Opebi yesterday.