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SAA slammed over 'racism'
Thu, 17 Aug 2006
The SA Transport and Allied Workers Union (Satawu) has accused a division of SA Airways of racism and non-compliance with employment equity laws.
"SAA Technical remains lilywhite at the top and pitch black at the bottom," Satawu spokesperson Ronnie Mamba said on Thursday.
Mamba said over 95 percent of top level management was currently white.
"After 12 years of democracy, the SAA Technical department has vehemently refused to transform... refusing to adequately train black workers to let them move higher or to acknowledge government's employment equity act."
Employee quotas
A break down of employee quotas as provided by Satawu showed that:
— at executive level, nine white, two Indian and one black person was employed.
— at senior management level, 32 white, two Indian and three black people were employed.
— at junior management level, 47 white, three Indian and five black people were employed.
— at technical supervisory level, 165 white, four Indian, two black and four coloured people were employed. This was the highest level of employment for coloured people in the company.
— at senior technicians level, 320 white, 16 Indian, nine coloured and six black people were employed.
Mamba said nearly all team leaders in the division were white males.
Incidents Mamba cited which "bordered on blatant racism" included a white employee who told a black employee that "all my efforts to turn you into a white man have failed. You remain a kaffir".
Mamba said the white employee was still employed by SAA Technical.
Black worker assaulted
Further accounts of racism included a white technician who assaulted a black technician and was then promoted.
"We will no longer tolerate white domination in SAA Technical or any other division or subsidiary of SAA."
He added that Satawu was not recognised as a union at the division in spite of having 500 workers from the division signed as members.
He said black workers who worked as craftsmen for ten years had no training while their white counterparts progressed to senior positions through training programmes.
"If the division does not improve its record on race relations and transformation, an indefinite strike action — should negotiations not produce concrete results — will proceed."
Mamba said the deadline for negotiations to conclude was one month.
"Satawu is of the view that aviation is a very a strategic component of our national economy. It (the company) therefore has a responsibility to be in the forefront of government's transformation programmes."
SAA was not immediately able to comment.
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SAA slammed over 'racism'
Thu, 17 Aug 2006
The SA Transport and Allied Workers Union (Satawu) has accused a division of SA Airways of racism and non-compliance with employment equity laws.
"SAA Technical remains lilywhite at the top and pitch black at the bottom," Satawu spokesperson Ronnie Mamba said on Thursday.
Mamba said over 95 percent of top level management was currently white.
"After 12 years of democracy, the SAA Technical department has vehemently refused to transform... refusing to adequately train black workers to let them move higher or to acknowledge government's employment equity act."
Employee quotas
A break down of employee quotas as provided by Satawu showed that:
— at executive level, nine white, two Indian and one black person was employed.
— at senior management level, 32 white, two Indian and three black people were employed.
— at junior management level, 47 white, three Indian and five black people were employed.
— at technical supervisory level, 165 white, four Indian, two black and four coloured people were employed. This was the highest level of employment for coloured people in the company.
— at senior technicians level, 320 white, 16 Indian, nine coloured and six black people were employed.
Mamba said nearly all team leaders in the division were white males.
Incidents Mamba cited which "bordered on blatant racism" included a white employee who told a black employee that "all my efforts to turn you into a white man have failed. You remain a kaffir".
Mamba said the white employee was still employed by SAA Technical.
Black worker assaulted
Further accounts of racism included a white technician who assaulted a black technician and was then promoted.
"We will no longer tolerate white domination in SAA Technical or any other division or subsidiary of SAA."
He added that Satawu was not recognised as a union at the division in spite of having 500 workers from the division signed as members.
He said black workers who worked as craftsmen for ten years had no training while their white counterparts progressed to senior positions through training programmes.
"If the division does not improve its record on race relations and transformation, an indefinite strike action — should negotiations not produce concrete results — will proceed."
Mamba said the deadline for negotiations to conclude was one month.
"Satawu is of the view that aviation is a very a strategic component of our national economy. It (the company) therefore has a responsibility to be in the forefront of government's transformation programmes."
SAA was not immediately able to comment.
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Quote: "Incidents Mamba cited which "bordered on blatant racism" included a white employee who told a black employee that "all my efforts to turn you into a white man have failed. You remain a kaffir". "
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I don't get it? What the hell was he thinking?
Racist language removed. Yellow card, 6-String. One more & you're out of here. 4HP
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I don't get it? What the hell was he thinking?
Racist language removed. Yellow card, 6-String. One more & you're out of here. 4HP
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What a mong comment. There's already a problem with folks trying to join SAA getting turned down because of that kind of attitude
Try to contribute to a solution, not to the problem.
Try to contribute to a solution, not to the problem.
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Yeah sure! Sorry! I phuqd up! There I was thinking that SAA stopped taking white pilots because of a racist policy prohibiting them from doing so...? Oops!
As for contributing to the solution: I already did that! I resigned from SAA and pissed off abroad; many years ago!
As for contributing to the solution: I already did that! I resigned from SAA and pissed off abroad; many years ago!
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Originally Posted by Business News
Incidents Mamba cited which "bordered on blatant racism" included a white employee who told a black employee that "all my efforts to turn you into a white man have failed. You remain a kaffir".
This seems to me to be blatant propoganda from the media.
Who is to say that this is what exactly happened?
If it is, well I don't know anymore!
But this could just be a report from another journo
trying to get a reponse, therefore recognition for his " great article."
I smell a rat in this journo's piece
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Most of us,if not all, won't frown upon the BEE, affirmative action,etc.,etc.,policies if - I say again, IF... it is based on merit and performance regarding the positions required for the particular job/task.My personal opinion, unfortunately, is that until we discover extraterrestrial life, or they land here on earth......it will not happen!!
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Originally Posted by hiflyerz
Most of us,if not all, won't frown upon the BEE, affirmative action,etc.,etc.,policies if - I say again, IF... it is based on merit and performance regarding the positions required for the particular job/task.My personal opinion, unfortunately, is that until we discover extraterrestrial life, or they land here on earth......it will not happen!!
I gotta agree with you there. Pity it doesn't happen with our
sport teams either
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Is this really credible?
Originally Posted by putt for dough
Just hang on a sec here guys.....
This seems to me to be blatant propoganda from the media.
Who is to say that this is what exactly happened?
If it is, well I don't know anymore!
But this could just be a report from another journo
trying to get a reponse, therefore recognition for his " great article."
I smell a rat in this journo's piece
This seems to me to be blatant propoganda from the media.
Who is to say that this is what exactly happened?
If it is, well I don't know anymore!
But this could just be a report from another journo
trying to get a reponse, therefore recognition for his " great article."
I smell a rat in this journo's piece
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Okay, I won't use the K word again. It's not my website so, I don't really have a right to complain about censorship either!
As for racism: my experience of living abroad for many years, and meeting many white South Africans abroad, has shown me that I must have been the only white racist living in SA and voting for the Nats during the Apartheid days (which I must be honest; I sincerely miss!) and that being as it is, I must have held one helluva vote!
What happened to all those white blokes that I knew in the Army, and went to Zim, Angola and Namibia with, to kill people in the name of Apartheid? Either they all died up there, or they were forced to go and it wasn't really there fault that they were there in the first place because John Vorster and PW Botha probably forced them to sign up. And those blokes in the Air Force who used to arrive in their Imps or Gunships and blow the heads off of the people that I'd been chasing for a week, in an instant, and then go and get pissed in the Ondangs Air Force Base that night whilst I hid in the bush for weeks on end without food and water?
Where are these people? Sure, we can't ruin this feller's website here with racism and comments like the one I posted above deserve DELETION! But one thing 4HP, and any other white South African who thinks I'm a bit extreme or far right; don't you ever deny your past. You're not really any different to me!!!
As for racism: my experience of living abroad for many years, and meeting many white South Africans abroad, has shown me that I must have been the only white racist living in SA and voting for the Nats during the Apartheid days (which I must be honest; I sincerely miss!) and that being as it is, I must have held one helluva vote!
What happened to all those white blokes that I knew in the Army, and went to Zim, Angola and Namibia with, to kill people in the name of Apartheid? Either they all died up there, or they were forced to go and it wasn't really there fault that they were there in the first place because John Vorster and PW Botha probably forced them to sign up. And those blokes in the Air Force who used to arrive in their Imps or Gunships and blow the heads off of the people that I'd been chasing for a week, in an instant, and then go and get pissed in the Ondangs Air Force Base that night whilst I hid in the bush for weeks on end without food and water?
Where are these people? Sure, we can't ruin this feller's website here with racism and comments like the one I posted above deserve DELETION! But one thing 4HP, and any other white South African who thinks I'm a bit extreme or far right; don't you ever deny your past. You're not really any different to me!!!
6-String,
I'm an African myself and I yearn for what my part of Africa was ...... NOT what it is now. However, you are walking a very fine line here and you have already been warned. Play it cool or you'll be outta here........
I'm an African myself and I yearn for what my part of Africa was ...... NOT what it is now. However, you are walking a very fine line here and you have already been warned. Play it cool or you'll be outta here........
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6-String, there are quite a few of us (those under the age of about 33 or so?) who had nothing to do with apartheid, never fought it's wars, and recognised that it was a doomed policy - and we're now in the prime of our careers (supposedly), and WE'RE the ones who'll pay the most, for the longest, for that past. I don't have a problem with what you said at all. Denying one's past is silly, like you say. Just remember, as time passes, those who lived with apartheid will be outnumbered more and more by those who didn't choose it, indeed who had no choice at all - but who continue to pay for it.
I guess my point is....it sucks. But I don't want to be lumped into the same category as you (thats not an insult of any kind, just a statement), and on these forums age is not apparent. I belong to the modern 'performance orientated' attitude, not the 'skin colour' attitude.
Which still means I have huge problems with the current system and its results, but thats another story.
I guess my point is....it sucks. But I don't want to be lumped into the same category as you (thats not an insult of any kind, just a statement), and on these forums age is not apparent. I belong to the modern 'performance orientated' attitude, not the 'skin colour' attitude.
Which still means I have huge problems with the current system and its results, but thats another story.
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Point taken. I'm not convinced by the age cap that you place on the issue, but I know what you're getting at.
Fact is: the second world war has been over for about 61 years and Germans are still looked at (generally speaking) as Nazis. Look through this Africa Forum and you will find many references to them in this or a similar light. In the same manner, white South Africans will, for many years to come, be viewed as racists. Just as most Germans were Nazis (or Nazi followers) in the '40's, so most white South Africans were racists until quite recently. A point substantiated by the regime which we kept in power until 1994. My personal feelings in this regards haven't improved at all, nor will they whilst my European tax bill feeds African children so that corrupt African politicians can accumulate personal wealth in otherwise impoverished countries.
As much as I'd like to belong to the "performance oriented" category too, my experience (and perhaps synicism) doesn't allow me to; at least not where Africa is concerned.
I put it to you that, on an individual basis, performance will never ever be the job selection criteria of South Africa, nor has it ever been. The only performance based system that ever worked well there, was that of the performance of a collective few.
Fact is: the second world war has been over for about 61 years and Germans are still looked at (generally speaking) as Nazis. Look through this Africa Forum and you will find many references to them in this or a similar light. In the same manner, white South Africans will, for many years to come, be viewed as racists. Just as most Germans were Nazis (or Nazi followers) in the '40's, so most white South Africans were racists until quite recently. A point substantiated by the regime which we kept in power until 1994. My personal feelings in this regards haven't improved at all, nor will they whilst my European tax bill feeds African children so that corrupt African politicians can accumulate personal wealth in otherwise impoverished countries.
As much as I'd like to belong to the "performance oriented" category too, my experience (and perhaps synicism) doesn't allow me to; at least not where Africa is concerned.
I put it to you that, on an individual basis, performance will never ever be the job selection criteria of South Africa, nor has it ever been. The only performance based system that ever worked well there, was that of the performance of a collective few.
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Definition of a Racist:
De: A racist is a white or very light skinned person who says anything or does anything negative or fails to do anything positive towards another person of any colour.
a person of colour doing likewise is acceptable.
A person of colour doing likewise to a white skinned person, is fairplay.
Period.
a person of colour doing likewise is acceptable.
A person of colour doing likewise to a white skinned person, is fairplay.
Period.
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I had to laugh at the irony of the front page headline Sunday Times article, entitled: 'BLACKS ARE THE BIGGEST RACISTS', which went on to explain in more detail of course. The gist of it was that those interviewed (the article states that they were consistent with the nations demographic statistics) felt that they were routinely discriminated against by other blacks. The numbers they quoted indicated that those interviewed felt it occured more frequently than being discriminated against by whites. Whilst reading it, I was just waiting for somebody to whine 'It's all apartheid's fault!', and sure enough, there it was at the bottom of one of the columns, attributed to a certain Tinyiko Malukleke, UNISA's Executive Director of Research. They couldn't fail to play the old faithful 'blame apartheid' card YET AGAIN!