"If my DAD were Scully"
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My mommy once asked me," who said life is fair??" Everyone should just deal with their own little disappointments. She got the job, deal with it, I would also love that job, however, I have to live with the way it all crumbles.
Now rather go do something constructive, like work on WHY YOU HAVE TIME TO RANT AND RAVE ABOUT IT< shouldnt you be flying aeroplanes.....
Now rather go do something constructive, like work on WHY YOU HAVE TIME TO RANT AND RAVE ABOUT IT< shouldnt you be flying aeroplanes.....
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Change of attitude when convenient
Change of attitude when convenient.
In 1999 I went to a SAA interview, I was a B727 commander at Nationwide at the time. During the interview Scully paged through my license (the old type that was bind with the ribbon!) In the middle of the license was a pink slip that was issued by Nationwide regarding currency of emergency training. I thought it was a convenient place to keep it. Scully asked me what it was, like he could not read! After explaining to him he instructed me to remove it as it was not part of the license, “Matter of fact, I don’t except any Nationwide training” was his words………..BUT NOW THEY ARE GOOD ENOUGH FOR HIS DAUGHTER????????
In 1999 I went to a SAA interview, I was a B727 commander at Nationwide at the time. During the interview Scully paged through my license (the old type that was bind with the ribbon!) In the middle of the license was a pink slip that was issued by Nationwide regarding currency of emergency training. I thought it was a convenient place to keep it. Scully asked me what it was, like he could not read! After explaining to him he instructed me to remove it as it was not part of the license, “Matter of fact, I don’t except any Nationwide training” was his words………..BUT NOW THEY ARE GOOD ENOUGH FOR HIS DAUGHTER????????
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Last time we had a difference, I recall you sending a PM. You should wake up and smell the Polisie-koffie it's cold too, boetie! R.I. forgetting?
Anyway, the cookies are crumbling.....nes ouma's beskuit left too long in the saddle-bag! Time, that I have plenty of, money, now that's another story on how Solly sold his patents!
MF
Anyway, the cookies are crumbling.....nes ouma's beskuit left too long in the saddle-bag! Time, that I have plenty of, money, now that's another story on how Solly sold his patents!
MF
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I think that people with glass houses shouldn't throw stones...or is it people with stones shouldn't have glass houses? Our industry is more nepotistic than any other, maybe with the exclusion of parliament. How many of us out there have had jobs or interviews 'arranged' for us by friends or family members in positions to do so? I garuantee there is a large percentage of us out here who are where we are becasue of not only what we know, but who we know.
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My few cents worth.
A few years ago his son tried on many occasions to get into "spoories" and failed a few times, Daddy's influence...he had to spend a lot of time at "Link" before he was deemed good enough by the Kingdom at the land of Skygods. I suppose it was a way of showing the industry that just because he carries daddy's surname does not automatically get him in to SAA. I believe he is now a worthy employee of SAA and that is not due to daddy influence but due to his own persistance and skill. How he got into "Link" wether there was any "father" influence there I do not know?? Know history may be repeating itself in that daddy's name may have helped to get into NTWD, min hours or not. Equallity plan as deemed by govt has already caused companies everywhere to bend the hiring requirements to please the ANC. Even SAA hired lady drivers about 10 years ago with only 500hrs and a basic twin/IF whilst Paleskin males with 3000hrs+ had to just sit and watch.
How many of you out there also got that first KingAir job or Baron job etc because of a contact in the right place at the right time. I know of many.......same situation here. It would really stink if she had got an accelerated possition into SAA, but it looks like daddy is grooming her for a future intake into HIS airline, but the process will not be easy for her, and just listening to the conditions of servcive at NTWD it looks like she will be doing it the hard way, maybee not as hard as those african contract fliers out there but then also for a lot less "moola"
Here's to wishing her all the success for the future and may there be just as many "contacts" out there for all the "wingers and winers" that have replied on this topic so far.
A few years ago his son tried on many occasions to get into "spoories" and failed a few times, Daddy's influence...he had to spend a lot of time at "Link" before he was deemed good enough by the Kingdom at the land of Skygods. I suppose it was a way of showing the industry that just because he carries daddy's surname does not automatically get him in to SAA. I believe he is now a worthy employee of SAA and that is not due to daddy influence but due to his own persistance and skill. How he got into "Link" wether there was any "father" influence there I do not know?? Know history may be repeating itself in that daddy's name may have helped to get into NTWD, min hours or not. Equallity plan as deemed by govt has already caused companies everywhere to bend the hiring requirements to please the ANC. Even SAA hired lady drivers about 10 years ago with only 500hrs and a basic twin/IF whilst Paleskin males with 3000hrs+ had to just sit and watch.
How many of you out there also got that first KingAir job or Baron job etc because of a contact in the right place at the right time. I know of many.......same situation here. It would really stink if she had got an accelerated possition into SAA, but it looks like daddy is grooming her for a future intake into HIS airline, but the process will not be easy for her, and just listening to the conditions of servcive at NTWD it looks like she will be doing it the hard way, maybee not as hard as those african contract fliers out there but then also for a lot less "moola"
Here's to wishing her all the success for the future and may there be just as many "contacts" out there for all the "wingers and winers" that have replied on this topic so far.
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Scully asked me what it was, like he could not read! After explaining to him he instructed me to remove it as it was not part of the license, “Matter of fact, I don’t except any Nationwide training” was his words………..BUT NOW THEY ARE GOOD ENOUGH FOR HIS DAUGHTER????????
To quote Metallica: "And justice for all....."
Good one, thanks for that!
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If I remember correctly, Scully went to great lengths to build up his flight hours; even to the extent of sleeping under the wings of aeroplanes in order to fly free the next day. A bit of barnstorming that, something of which most of the aviation youthful ones of today know little.
I have flown with the man in the past on more than one occasion. I wish I had done so more often, for, without wishing to lionize the old scallywag; I could have learnt a great deal from him.
I am sure that Scully's daughter has had the benefit of a fine aviation education at the hands of, well, I wouldn't want the man to become too swollen headed, an excellent aviator.
The only thing, in my never humble opinion, wrong with favouritism or nepotism is where it leads to the promotion of someone who is inadequate for the position in question.
I doubt that such is the case with daughter of Scully.
Let me be blunt for moment, those aviators who bang about the bush in Cessna 206s from Maun may accumulate hours - but where is the experience that really kits them out for a multi- crew complex managment operation ?
I have taken advantage of friends and contacts in aviation, and in other places too, and the man who says he would not, I call economical with self honesty.
I believe that the cockpit is the preserve of men. Women belong in the back with the drinks trolley, but in this case I wish the lady the best of luck.
Of course she should go on to Spoories. It's a family tradition worth preserving in this vacuous day and age. You should have heard some of her grandfather Harold's stories, no doubt suitably embellished! Spitfires or was it Hurricanes? under the washing lines of Calcutta!
I wonder if her dad still has his little bar fridge?
Happy New Year to everyone and also to those who do not celebrate such a festival at this time of year.
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chuckle....
This has been a very interesting thread to read but altogether not surprising.
As usual the feminists/racists (yes your in the same group) who are still so insecure and so weak respond with the same sterotypical, and oh soooooooo boring over played card!
One must wonder when all this will end, racism, sexism bla de bla is such a waste of good energy... I think it should be stated once more: If you want equality carry your own bags.... forget the double standards - it wouldn't be right/fair to have everything both ways. Just plain MERIT would be nice - idealistic oh yes! but it would be nice...
This is still very small industry by always pulling the "victim card" you are making it very hard for ANYONE trying to get there....
Anyway to the real point of my response
I do agree with the people (thats GALS/WOMEN/GIRLS, GUYS/MEN/BOYS, BLACK,GREEN,PINK,BROWN,YELLOW,RED,MAGENTA [there was no order to this] - just to cover all the bases here
) that there are probably 10000000 more eligable PILOTS waiting and trying etc to get into any of the bigger airlines. This is a GIVEN in ANY industry!
And yes, having been shafted like many others - I am bitter, but the problem with children like this PILOT is simple (and there are many many of these around) - Mommy and Daddy can't be there forever to bail them out of the muck or to pave the way (Parents like these can be likend to Dr Frankenstein and his monster). I'm pretty sure this is not the first time that Dr F and Mrs F have got involved... so sad...
What scares me is that there are lives at stake here (this is not an attack on anyone personally its about expierance and skills) - anyone read "Airframe"? If not, read it, its quite pertinent to this thread.... The same could be said for any other industry where someone elses life is at stake...
As character, ability and whether or not this PILOT can actually handle the job who knows, time will tell - and nature has a funny way of keeping the balance... - and keeping with the rumours that I have heard; it would be nice to see this PILOT actually have to fight for something or at least do a bit of the time required to earn it...
To add a different focus point for a second there is a PPL pilot wannabe with over 100 hours of training that still has not gone solo - I'm sure you'll all agree there are lots of problems that need sorting..
All the best for 2006 hopefully it we will all get what we deserve!
P>S> Keep the names out of the threads not only is it bad manners, but it is somewhat illegal - defamation etc...
Where are the MONITORS/EDITORS/ADJUDICATORS? - it should have been ***E%@#$ out....
As usual the feminists/racists (yes your in the same group) who are still so insecure and so weak respond with the same sterotypical, and oh soooooooo boring over played card!
One must wonder when all this will end, racism, sexism bla de bla is such a waste of good energy... I think it should be stated once more: If you want equality carry your own bags.... forget the double standards - it wouldn't be right/fair to have everything both ways. Just plain MERIT would be nice - idealistic oh yes! but it would be nice...
This is still very small industry by always pulling the "victim card" you are making it very hard for ANYONE trying to get there....
Anyway to the real point of my response
I do agree with the people (thats GALS/WOMEN/GIRLS, GUYS/MEN/BOYS, BLACK,GREEN,PINK,BROWN,YELLOW,RED,MAGENTA [there was no order to this] - just to cover all the bases here
) that there are probably 10000000 more eligable PILOTS waiting and trying etc to get into any of the bigger airlines. This is a GIVEN in ANY industry!And yes, having been shafted like many others - I am bitter, but the problem with children like this PILOT is simple (and there are many many of these around) - Mommy and Daddy can't be there forever to bail them out of the muck or to pave the way (Parents like these can be likend to Dr Frankenstein and his monster). I'm pretty sure this is not the first time that Dr F and Mrs F have got involved... so sad...
What scares me is that there are lives at stake here (this is not an attack on anyone personally its about expierance and skills) - anyone read "Airframe"? If not, read it, its quite pertinent to this thread.... The same could be said for any other industry where someone elses life is at stake...
As character, ability and whether or not this PILOT can actually handle the job who knows, time will tell - and nature has a funny way of keeping the balance... - and keeping with the rumours that I have heard; it would be nice to see this PILOT actually have to fight for something or at least do a bit of the time required to earn it...
To add a different focus point for a second there is a PPL pilot wannabe with over 100 hours of training that still has not gone solo - I'm sure you'll all agree there are lots of problems that need sorting..
All the best for 2006 hopefully it we will all get what we deserve!
P>S> Keep the names out of the threads not only is it bad manners, but it is somewhat illegal - defamation etc...
Where are the MONITORS/EDITORS/ADJUDICATORS? - it should have been ***E%@#$ out....
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otdYou might be right on both counts. Less room under the clothesline though. Happy New Year.
The name thing, H is dead, S might be deemed public domain?
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Well I take it that my answer has then been answered, be it good or bad news for the poor guys in need of work and that just can't get it right!!!!!!!!
I also take that the saying "WHERE THERE IS SMOKE THERE IS FIRE" might just have a meaning to this thread.
If you keen on SAA, "our NATIONAL FLAG CARRIER" then please do not go against or appose what some of us think of this very unfortunate situation that is happening!!
Take it that I WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED FOR A POSITION AT SAA AS I HAVE GONE AGAINST THE THINKING OF CERTAIN PEOPLE"S OUTLOOK ON TRAINING OFFERED BY OTHER AIRLINES IN OUR COUNTRY, but who gives a #$%%@$^@%$#@!!
It is perhaps time people wake up and take a look down from their thrones and see what reality is in SA for those of us that would have dearly loved to put those bright golden wings of our national flag carrier on!!!!!!
This was not against the person in question, but rather against the way things are being done at the moment in our aviation sector!!
On a lighter note hope you all have a really awesome new year full of oppurtunity's and make the best of them!!!!!!
Best Regards
Climbfl510
I also take that the saying "WHERE THERE IS SMOKE THERE IS FIRE" might just have a meaning to this thread.
If you keen on SAA, "our NATIONAL FLAG CARRIER" then please do not go against or appose what some of us think of this very unfortunate situation that is happening!!
Take it that I WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED FOR A POSITION AT SAA AS I HAVE GONE AGAINST THE THINKING OF CERTAIN PEOPLE"S OUTLOOK ON TRAINING OFFERED BY OTHER AIRLINES IN OUR COUNTRY, but who gives a #$%%@$^@%$#@!!
It is perhaps time people wake up and take a look down from their thrones and see what reality is in SA for those of us that would have dearly loved to put those bright golden wings of our national flag carrier on!!!!!!
This was not against the person in question, but rather against the way things are being done at the moment in our aviation sector!!
On a lighter note hope you all have a really awesome new year full of oppurtunity's and make the best of them!!!!!!
Best Regards
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Of course she should go on to Spoories. It's a family tradition worth preserving in this vacuous day and age.
Just checking though, to what is in the public domain...family life?
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But now all that I need to know is :" What are we achieving by spending so much time bitching about it?" Just learn to accept the things that you cannot change.....it makes it all so much easier.
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chuckle the sequel...
Fair enough... just felt that pointing the finger at Scully (specifically) was a little unfair - as many have said nepotism/friends/contacts is and has always been there...
You have to give Scully credit where its due he worked, he earned and he is relishing in his career. What is wrong with picture is Sally has never done any of the above... All she has learnt so far is to run to dad when things get tough...
The the bright side of this and I hope that Sally sees this at least in some small part: There are people watching - if there is a better reason to prove people wrong this is it... - like I said time she earnt it... be interesting to see if the same feelings that are expressed here would be expressed face 2 face with either Scully or Sally...
I agree with Climbfl510 the point is keeping an eye on the what is happening and trying to keep it on track - bitching/2 cents/ having your say are important - you can only fix it if you KNOW its broken....
If we accepted things for what they were we would never have discovered fire, invented the wheel or god forbid started to fly!
You have to give Scully credit where its due he worked, he earned and he is relishing in his career. What is wrong with picture is Sally has never done any of the above... All she has learnt so far is to run to dad when things get tough...
The the bright side of this and I hope that Sally sees this at least in some small part: There are people watching - if there is a better reason to prove people wrong this is it... - like I said time she earnt it... be interesting to see if the same feelings that are expressed here would be expressed face 2 face with either Scully or Sally...
I agree with Climbfl510 the point is keeping an eye on the what is happening and trying to keep it on track - bitching/2 cents/ having your say are important - you can only fix it if you KNOW its broken....
If we accepted things for what they were we would never have discovered fire, invented the wheel or god forbid started to fly!
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Um , well I am a mere mortal, and admit that there are things I cannot change....try saying it in the mirror tonight...." remember thou art mortal, remember thou art mortal, " ad nauseum.
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The South African aviation sector?
Well damn me for a lost aviator!
Here then is a system where women of dubious title can hold positions of nationwide importance when licences and qualifications might belie the suitability of such appointment.
Here is a system in which officers of the state can flap their golden wings and take off in pretty little Boeings with nothing more than a short crash course of convenience.
It seems to me that t'were better to aim the cannons at the heads of those who run the system at higher levels than some poor dithering female pilot who happened to have been in the right place at the moment of childbirth.
The Devil with domain. If the man were not almost a national hero none would know his name in any event.
Pink slips do not belong in licences anymore than Playboy centrefolds belong inside passports, even if it were to be a true likeness!
Go rather for the jugular and instead purge the CAA of its purported corruption; manifestations of which so often surface within these august pages of Pprune.
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Well I remember a crash in a course once or twice, but bloodline thus sorted that out too.
The SALM Akademie turned out quite a few playboys too, even of the class of what was it, '69? Those little white rondawels at the water reservoir in VTH, what if they could speak or does anybody that old still trott these pages?
The SALM Akademie turned out quite a few playboys too, even of the class of what was it, '69? Those little white rondawels at the water reservoir in VTH, what if they could speak or does anybody that old still trott these pages?
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O wise cavorter....no there you hitting the nail on the head. That is one of the things that could be changed, were there enough people in high positions that would actually wield some of their power and influence, to try and get our whole CAA debacle sorted out. Clearly they dont really care, and its left for us mortals to cry about it.
Mf...well not quite that old, but of water towers, front pullers in elevated locations, and Roberts too.....staff and courses...(services too)
Plunder plunder pillage and wonder.....
Mf...well not quite that old, but of water towers, front pullers in elevated locations, and Roberts too.....staff and courses...(services too)
Plunder plunder pillage and wonder.....