SAA to court over employment policies

[Beak]

Mention was made that a number of pilots in SA are taking SAA to court regarding their discriminatary employment policy. SAA are sitting with a shortage of +_ 150 pilots at this moment and are only allowed to employ currently advantaged crew.
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[stop&go]

Funny that the genaration that set them free,are the ones being punnished. Maybe the older folks new better.

[African Tech Rep]

Maybe the older folks new better.

You should always listen to your elders.
(god I must be OLD )

[reptile]

That is in line with word around the camp fire.....

SAA is currently busy developing a program for accelerated command - idea is to have 50 new captains (i.e. representative of demographics) within the next three years. Appears that the SAA pilots union is also involved in the planning process.

To reach this target, certain "adjustments" need to be made to the current upgrade criteria (experience/length of service/etc.).

Bad luck for the poor guys who were expecting upgrades in the near future. Although they may comply with current requirements for upgrade - they will soon find themselves bypassed by junior pilots.

[MysticFlyer]

Now that would constitute in any other country as unfair labour practice, advancing someone junior to a position of seniority,

unless his daddy owned the company......

Will the last one out the door, kindly switch the lights out...because it will be very dark in the youngest "DEMOCRACY" run by communists!

What a laugh this bunch provides daily. The people who have voted for them is poorer none the better off, will the government stick by these "easy" problems although they even managed not to manage it!

New found power....give them a pinky.....he's solving the whole of Africa's problems.

I would be too ashamed to say that I am the chief monkey wearing four bars within the whole world and aviation community knowing that the loops always had to be lowered for me, but hey, running a country any monkey can, look at Emerica, but eish.....houw.....I can't believe.....

Those venturi's are so big, because it allows manual gear shifts! Why do you think so much nose-picking is lately going on, and that falls under multi-tasking!

Offensive language removed. Take a yellow card/ chill pill please Mystic. 4HP

[Beechjet]

MysticsFlyer

Dear Mr M....y with four bars. Hope its not Kit Kat, Hate to half you command an aircraft with me on board. You may decide to take a break on rotation.

See my response on the Richards Bay issue. I will not belabor and riterate the points. Hence go ahead.

Edit...have you command....

[Shrike200]

I read these posts, got drunk, then read them again. Nope, still don't make sense.

[MysticFlyer]

Yellow card taken, seen your reply on Richard Bay issue.

4HP edited on my behalf, what else there do you not agree with or would you like ammendment to?

Your spelling is atrocious to the point that I have to ask myself the inevitable regarding the whole issue around all of this, "How good is excellerated progress." You can't even command the english language, although it's not my first, or second language too.

You see, in SA you can wipe certain issues under the carpet and the government can manipulate the court (previous PDI's too), press, crime figures and even senior figures within SAA for fear of losing a job, so close to retirement age.

But, in the cyber world, thanks to PPRune, every prospective SAA employer, because you will need some to fly around in Africa, has an idea how stinky the place is being managed, a reflection thus of exactly what's occurring even at government level.

What's happening in SA is enrichment of individuals, thus no racial issue. Change is a good thing yes, and even in SAA's case then, but do not jeopardise safety, obtaining of command etc. in favour of a image problem the government has!

You have by your postings proved by your (and government's) inability to grasp these, that this excellerated command is inefficient, dangerous, wrong and open to counter law suits (in the real world)!

But eish.....boy.....it is Afrika after all. Primates have been witnessed to develop tools, a part to determine intelligence.
Antrophology, another keen intrest of mine.....we'll call this one a BEE and give it wings (SAA) or a HOP or just a renaissance?

Consider yourself mooned, Beechjet!

[saywhat]

In the 1940's, the government of the day declared that the South African Railways was a protected labour environment for the upliftment of the Afrikaner Nation. Right or wrong, I make no judgement other than to say that the present government had very good teachers.
I for one am very proud to say that I live in this magnificent country of ours, and I am astounded at the patience and reserve these so called "monkeys" have shown. I am quite sure that those out there showing such racist behaviour on this site would never dream of coming out in the open with their opinions.
May I point out that the "monkeys" will be on the selection board of most companies in the future, and I suggest that if you want to live and work in this fantastic country, you change your attitude, or leave for greener pastures.

SO ENDETH THE LESSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MysticFlyer]

Methinks a major upliftment in the 40's was for your grandfather to leave the kraal, 3 chickens and goat to go work in the mine, leaving his quest to develop the wheel unattended.

His love and attraction for money I see most of you kept.

Saywhat, you and beechmonkey have studied and I see drank from the same fountain of African wisdom. Patience and reserve, by appointing foreigner's in most positions reserving the right to overlook more qualified less corrupt able persons, of this "local stock". Why is this patriotistic flag of your's not resembled then?

Well in this quest of the Afrikaner and by protecting it, we didn't make a bad job of it, hey? As in many other areas of that society, who figured out that Bantu in Afrika were actually best at creating social systems, health care, transport, universities, engineering etc. and have in this wisdom closed it all, refused double storey dwellings when aspired to within kraal communities.

Patience and reserve of the masses figuring out that this government is only enriching a few, and then foreigners to boot too! It's leaving you to mismanage it up to a point, where from the greener pastures the now more cleverer, richer, more enlightened Afrikaners now with a world community backing them, because examples are plenty, will come back and show their regret for having patience and reservance.

Methinks you both have very quickly forgotten your roots. Show me one fine example of greatness coming purely from Afrika, even in African terms. What a pitty we blamed the Zulu's, they at least kept your numbers and attitudes in check.

Looking at how quickly you the Bantu have advanced in SA and in the whole of Afrika, I say steam ahead my BOYS! Racist bahaviour to come out in the open, oh no, look what it got Bob into, now selling his country to the Chinese! The ANC sold SA long time ago too, Afrikaners died trying to keep it save from Cubans and East Germans all communists too back then, to show you how un-racist they are, comrade!

You think the Xhosa, Tswana, Basotho, Pedi, Zulu, all the previous inhabitants will benefit from it? None have any signs of a culture left, except as a tourist attraction! Rainbow nation?

BEE is a dubble-bladed sword. Chop-chop, the sound of a history lesson that always repeats itself.

Overheard on Splingbob 666 to Beijing: "Flied lice wies clocodile, baboon ol splingbok, ol you like light souteln whale chow mein?"

MF

Ps. I better apologise officially to monkeys, some grace the skies by showing aerial feats by jumping from tree to tree!

[stop&go]

Well said MF couldn't say it better myself. But none is so blind as those who don't want to see.

[MysticFlyer]

So let's see who's cage was left open.....his own words.

The search function allows us to view his posts and reveals that he is on what he calls a sabatical (read - stole enough propably) a PDI because only then would be so casually resign before he is caged in again at the zoo.

Ex head(read main monkey-brain) of an AVIATON ORGANISATION for several years, nogal!

I guess we are "left to our prayer's and our wings" then.....I'll head for the trees. Will the snipers get this loose monkey?

Welcome to the jungle, we've got fun'games!

MF

Edited for some saywhat....your patience with this advancement thing I see is running out, hey my boy? Comments like these and backing beachmonkey...well done, next is to overrun ALPA-SA I presume?

[Beechjet]

South African Patience

"Saywhat', you could not have said it better.

I think perhaps if these ......read a little then they'll probably absorb the facts.


Mystic Flyer (mystery it is).

Before you so chalantly point fingers at spelling...(hope you've learn't the SMS lingo yet), lets address some of your wonderful misfits,

Grammar & spelling - Its not Methinks -----Its I think

Its not excellerated........its accelerated

Its not pitty.........its pity

Its not bahaviour.....its behaviour

Its not patriotistic.....its patriotic

Its not reservance....its reservation

Its not a image....its an image

Its not propably....its probably

Its not dubble-bladed sword...its double edged sword.
See case law Solomon verses Solomon.

Hmmm, this could take forever, so I strongly suggest that you grab a Kit-Kat and do what you do best.

Another case in point ..Methinks, we don't think we know and thats the difference.

You certainly were not complaining when JVJ was VP-Operations, were you. And yes what SAA is currently trying to do is clean out his mess and address the challenge in hand. If you have any gonads then rock up to Airways Park, speak your mind and see if you can do a better job. Old Mate.

Point of Clarity, I did'nt steal, what I did do with a substandard apartheid education is accumalate sufficient post grad qual and build myself upto an extent where I am well and cleanly self supportive...don't have to be a ''blame it on .....' and sulk and moan about not getting a chance, or opportunity in SAA, etc.

Met a couple of SAA finest in Hong Kong the other day, they flying for CX. Could'nt help noticing, yes they made a choice in their lives and decided to fly for CX. They seemed happy, but the best part they were extremally complimentary with regards to South Africa.

We have a lot of challenges in this country and thats what they are, challenges......one of them being the SACAA, but I'm sure that lot will be cleared up soon.

With, what you cavassing, well......you damn lucky...that the last thing on any serious persons mind in South Africa is treason..Please you can't and never will be taken seriously.

So whilst you enjoy your rocking chair, I'll enjoy my cantilever balcony with a Jack and some lemonade back here in Hougthon...

or should I spell that correctly.....my kraal.

[saywhat]

Unfortunately, there are certain mindsets that cannot be changed. There is no point in argueing the facts, as the facts differ in reality for each side. However, the truth of the matter remains, and shall continue to remain that there is a new South African government ruling this country. We will never return to the past, so the sooner we come to grips with that the easier we will be able to move forward.
There only option available to those who do not want to embrace the change is to find greener pastures. There is no disgrace in this. Problem is that I doubt that there is a country in the world worth living in that will accept these beliefs.

[Leftpedal]

Hmmmm... payback's a bitch isn't it?

The whole 'empowerment' issue is clearly an emotive one, but ask yourself this question;

If you are ill, do you want to be treated by the best Doctor available, or by the best Previously Disadvantaged Doctor?

Do you want your kids to be taught by the best teachers or by the best Previously Disadvantaged teachers?

Substitute Pilots, Bus drivers, Police Officers, Judges, etc.

You reap what you sow. If you plant Apartheid, you harvest BEE. Neither policy is in the long term interests of this country.

[MysticFlyer]

You wouldn't be able to spot if it was any better or not.

You were lucky to get away with it, as it was always, the poor disadvantaged this....the poor PDI's that.

Nobody stood in your way, because we really believed you had a plan doing it hand in hand. Clearly now hand to hand involved corruption nepotism, stealing, robbing, murdering AT ALL LEVELS, after been given the pinky.

Forward we all believed into this rainbow nation, because we knew you wouldn't be able to do so alone! Methinks eleven official languages and ethnic sub-cultures quickly vanished and from the ashes arose the Phoenix - a conglomerate Bantu against the minority!

Apartheid is one thing, fighting against communism is another. Your daddy shot poor settlers in the backs while in church or in a pub? Or murdered, plundered, stole and raped on the border farms in 1820 SA? Join this holding hands, while the government is on the other side holding hands with Bob? And this is how you got your freedom?

You really think we are stupid? So the rules change again, you call all this payback, you see beechmonkey, this is the aspiring cadets reaching for excellerated command while you cry for holding hands, reform etc., hey, I'm not even close to working for Spoories, years ago, yes!

MF

[beechbum]

Beak, which pilots and which court? Let me know so I can join the queue and toi-toi!!!
Ha, what the fellows will do to get a job........Ncgula will plead total innocence no doubt in the whole thing and send for his helicopter to avoid the masses. Eish but in fact I categorically do not undestand the issue at hand.........eh...eh...let me view thees mutta from a far away place!!!!.... Like the villa in the South of France...perhaps. Eish eish eish!!!!!!
Go boys and lets see some action!!! Methinks (ha!ha!) its a good plan!
I demand....give me job!

Can anyone confirm this? Beak you birdman......speak or forever hold your piece!! Tweet Tweet!!!!!

[Beak]

Beechbum, i hope to get some confirmation this week. will advise

[Beechjet]

MysticFlopper

To finance the deficit South Africa borrowed $1070 million, on top of previous loans of $464 million during 1976-7 and $547 million in 1978, from the International Monetary Fund in 1982. This underlined the dependence on international support of the regime’s strategy for defending the Apartheid system


Over the nine years between 1972-1980, South Africa borrowed a total of nearly 7 billion US dollars from banks based in Britain, the United States, West Germany, France, Switzerland, Belgium and elsewhere – a total of 186 separate loans.

If you weren’t in liquid form back in 1977, then you’ll recall a Vorster having a Dr Connie Mulder in his cabinet. Well what followed was subsequently dubbed the ‘’Muldergate Scandal’

However the reality of it all is what really happened to all those billions of dollars between 1972 and 1980. South Africa was as previously put across by a number of your colleagues a rich, thriving economy, something that we can’t achieve except by stealing of course. So why borrow when you so abundantly rich. Convenient isn’t it. Anyway Vorster was labeled and will always be labeled by his own people as a draft dodger and a Nazi sympathizer.

With regards to all those billions, I really looked from Soweto, Cape Flats, Bo Kaap, District Six, Chatsworth, Phoenix, Umlazi, Kwa Mashu and you know what?, I just couldn’t find it. Wonder if the Groet Krokodil knows where it is. That’s if he can get his finger (the one that he used to…..) out of ……

Anyway, I sincerely suggest (although it’s a bit late now) that the NP should have rewarded Dimitrios Tsafendas for the wonderful contribution he made to society at large. Perhaps we should honour him with a statue of some sort. Wait lets rename a street after him……I’m sure that you’ll concur that this is the least that we could do, being so patriotic and all.

Given your inept ability to recognize progress made, I’m absolutely certain that perhaps you and your supportive colleagues stem from your aliencestors being the ‘’Hensoppers’ With such genealogy, really such a pity.

So, if you can find greener pastures, then go hook up with your mate Jan Lamprecht and fly off with your BPL onto the other side where they may take you seriously.

Alternatively Join the Freedom 2000 & Mariots.

PS: Unfortunately they’ve failed to realize that we are already heading for 2006.

Sorry about the early morning posting, just got back from a \'\'black broers\'\' joll in Rosebank. Wait I wonder if my bra stole the house for the night.

[B Sousa]

So far Beechjet is holding his own and into serious competition here. I think an evening at a "Dros" with Mystic, Beechjet and a few others here would actually be a fun night....... Who could outdo who?? Yes?? No??