Nationwide recruits foreign pilots
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VB is a first class ******. Stop saying rubbish about him being an excellent businessman. He is milking an industry by exploiting the desperate and transporting the ill informed. Surely a good businessman doesn’t run out of staff!
Ok, ATC controllers out there. When you here a NW aircraft inbound and being driven by a foreigner, what’s wrong with the hold? Lets get our boys on the ground first, or maybe a little delay on start? This would definitely make VB think again. Sounds nasty, damn right, I am getting sick of this idiot, VB. Lets sink his dodgy operation leading to people flying with say Comair, resulting in more jobs there and happier days ahead. At the end of the day, the same amount of aircraft must fly on a daily basis, lets get them flying from a decent operation.
Ok, ATC controllers out there. When you here a NW aircraft inbound and being driven by a foreigner, what’s wrong with the hold? Lets get our boys on the ground first, or maybe a little delay on start? This would definitely make VB think again. Sounds nasty, damn right, I am getting sick of this idiot, VB. Lets sink his dodgy operation leading to people flying with say Comair, resulting in more jobs there and happier days ahead. At the end of the day, the same amount of aircraft must fly on a daily basis, lets get them flying from a decent operation.
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Nationwide is in the process of joining Air France Skyteam, (nothing to do with Lady Buxton by the way) and have signed various agreements with them already. One agreement was for the contractual "loan" of Air France, B737-500 type rated pilots to Nationwide to take up the slack until they train sufficient replacements. The decision was made by the private owner of the airline, Mr. Vernon Bricknell and not by Victoria Buxton.
Seems like a lot of silly remarks flying around based on assumptions fuelled by personal issues is making this discussion group a joke amongst a lot of clueless aviation "think they know it alls"
Seems like a lot of silly remarks flying around based on assumptions fuelled by personal issues is making this discussion group a joke amongst a lot of clueless aviation "think they know it alls"
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oompliot how juvenile 
please tell me you where joking with that outburst. Do you know how many Boks are flying outside SA at the moment ? If they where all sent "home" more GA pilots would be more un-employed than they are at the moment. In aviation if you ain't got the licence with the rating and the hours wait your turn. Crying that you're being overlooked or your tshomi's are being overlooked coz they are Boks doesn't hold any water. If they have the min requirements and being overlooked then VB has a case to answer.
please tell me you where joking with that outburst. Do you know how many Boks are flying outside SA at the moment ? If they where all sent "home" more GA pilots would be more un-employed than they are at the moment. In aviation if you ain't got the licence with the rating and the hours wait your turn. Crying that you're being overlooked or your tshomi's are being overlooked coz they are Boks doesn't hold any water. If they have the min requirements and being overlooked then VB has a case to answer.
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Despite what some may say, 'business is business' etc, I disagree that what is happening now makes any business sense whatsoever. This is typical 'fire-fighting' business management. The need for foreign (or ANY other crew, being foreign is NOT the issue to me), was something NW created for themselves, by being obstinately short sighted in the past. A reasonably competitive salary, and more intelligent crewing levels would have done a great deal to prevent the present situation. Surely this is obvious? Needing to employ foreign pilots is a short term plan, and is probably more expensive ultimately. I can't see AF pilots coming here for a NW salary, which sets the standards for 'low' in the SA airline industry, one which is already low by European standards (I stand to be corrected there, but I believe the average SA airline pilot is paid less than the average Euro pilot.)
So, if it were me, I would rather fly with an SA pilot (better comms - I've flown with French pilots before), and I would like to see SA jobs going to SA crews, especially since there are plenty of us out here. But, it is an international market, so the job can go to whoever is appropriately licenced. My point is that this doesn't make much business sense from my POV. But hey, I'm not the wonder business man then, am I? I am able to hold onto my self-respect at least.....
So, if it were me, I would rather fly with an SA pilot (better comms - I've flown with French pilots before), and I would like to see SA jobs going to SA crews, especially since there are plenty of us out here. But, it is an international market, so the job can go to whoever is appropriately licenced. My point is that this doesn't make much business sense from my POV. But hey, I'm not the wonder business man then, am I? I am able to hold onto my self-respect at least.....
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Very interesting to see that NW now wants foreigners.....
My application has been e-mailed, personally handed in and that took place more than a year ago : NO REPLY/ answer to date ......!!! I am from this country, have enough airline experience, jet time is low though, but why should pilots fork out R150,000 for an outdated B737 rating, when the company "overcharges" for such ??? And then get slaughtered on low pay ??? You can do the rating at Comair for R 120,000 !!!A B744 rating will cost you $ 22,000.... look for overseas places to find it.
Why not work outside these borders at dubble what can be earned here. If I can survive on external freelance work, earning in excess of R50,000 per month AND tax free seeing time outside exceeds the 183 tax limiting days, well.........
My application has been e-mailed, personally handed in and that took place more than a year ago : NO REPLY/ answer to date ......!!! I am from this country, have enough airline experience, jet time is low though, but why should pilots fork out R150,000 for an outdated B737 rating, when the company "overcharges" for such ??? And then get slaughtered on low pay ??? You can do the rating at Comair for R 120,000 !!!A B744 rating will cost you $ 22,000.... look for overseas places to find it.
Why not work outside these borders at dubble what can be earned here. If I can survive on external freelance work, earning in excess of R50,000 per month AND tax free seeing time outside exceeds the 183 tax limiting days, well.........
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124.8, I had cv's there for 4 yrs and never heard a thing from them, but its not all together a loss because as a piston twin driver for about 3 days a week I earn almost twice that of an NW F/O.
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Did nt SAA do it a few ears ago - hire foreign pilots to help them out?
Seems like SAA can do it, but others can't...
Oompilot - was going to reply to your suggestion but then thought why waste time responding to childish and stupid remarks.....
Seems like SAA can do it, but others can't...
Oompilot - was going to reply to your suggestion but then thought why waste time responding to childish and stupid remarks.....
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"Sorry..were not hiring right now. Will let you know as soon as we do. No problem with your credentials..your experience is what were looking for. Will call you"
Yeah right!!
Not only NW...the industry is full of it. Got a buddy in there as a training Capt or an influential relative to pass the word on you stand a chance.
The rest of us work and sweat for our bucks overseas and on contract while the industry employs cheaper labour with the opportunities without having to see where the Sudan and DRC really are. Is the way it is......
Yeah right!!
Not only NW...the industry is full of it. Got a buddy in there as a training Capt or an influential relative to pass the word on you stand a chance.
The rest of us work and sweat for our bucks overseas and on contract while the industry employs cheaper labour with the opportunities without having to see where the Sudan and DRC really are. Is the way it is......
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If VB just paid his crew a decent salary this would never be an issue. However, when a NW FO turns down command at NW to move to Comair, knowing he is going to spend a minimum of another 4 years in the right hand seat, then it speaks for itself.
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...Oompilot....maybe you are the first class ****** !!!!!........was your cv rejected by NW huh ?????Listen bad businessmen dont stay in business as long as VB has.....never see you post when SAA has any issues like this but then again maybe you only figured out how to use this forum recently.......childish and stupid is all that I can say about your post.
I agree with the other statements made here......howcome Comair and SAA can do similiar and everybody is hunky-dory about it but when NW does something...everyone is up in arms and launches into a smear campain.
126,7 I heard from a source that NW was in ZRH to have an engine change and are back on the scheduled JIA - LGW route today....and nope no DE pilots..........
As for the issue of pilots and training bonds, based on some of the comments on the forum, it seems that only NW is doing this and that all the other airlines are paying for the training out of thier own pockets and not 'bonding' the pilots at all......and no they dont care that they pay all this money to train a pilot and then he leaves for greener pastures......or is it just me ?...Hey this happens in a lot of other industries outside of the airline industry....dont see IT guys having a crap about it...or is it just me.
Well now off to the garden to ensure that my gardener signs and pays his training bond....dont want him running off to the neighbour you see......
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Yogibear, never had my CV rejected by NW, and sorry to disappoint, it never will be. I skipped that black hole that some unfortunately call a job. I stand by what I said, NW is a disgrace and if they were to make a sudden disappearance, those AC would then be operated by a more professional organization. The pilots would get jobs instead of having hobbies.
The old argument about always picking on us small guys is getting a bit thin, where there’s smoke there’s fire.
Leave your gardener out of your posting, most who fly for NW can’t afford a house, never mind one with a garden serviced by a gardener.
You have no idea!
The old argument about always picking on us small guys is getting a bit thin, where there’s smoke there’s fire.
Leave your gardener out of your posting, most who fly for NW can’t afford a house, never mind one with a garden serviced by a gardener.
You have no idea!
Está servira para distraerle.
May I just poke my head over the parapet and request a little language decorum in the forum. Please.
I am not a Moderator, poor burdened souls that they are, and I am well aware that some topics that are raised in these estimable pages can, by their very nature, lead to a rise in hypertensive activity. Nonetheless, I think that the border line between ******* ( Gosh, I had to hunt for the *, figure of innocence that I may be, ******, that's 'bother' by the way) and the real, uncloaked word is so small as to be of insignificance.
If we are going to have a degree of fun within these pages and still be jolly rude about someone, might we please all try to do the job with a sophisticated poignard and not a drayman's shovel.
Just before the Puff-puffs start coming, I shall be drinking with Black Rod this very eve.
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...May I apologise most profusely for my rather poor choice of language 'Cheetah'...it is indeed not befitting of one who has his domicile serviced by an educated horticulturist....
And as for poor old 'oompilot' it seems you may have arrived at a gun fight carrying a table tennis bat when it comes to the sarcasim that was present in my previous posting...and may I also inform you that despite your wildest and dare I say most moist of dreams, NW will not be going anywhere for the foreseeable future...and dear fellow as for you uttering that I have no idea.....well if there was ever a prime example of the the pot calling the kettle black........oh well toodle pip and jolly-hockey sticks and all........
Once again I apologise for my crass language in previous postings..............JOSEPH CAREFULL WITH THE GERANIUMS !!!!!.......sorry just had to reprimand my horticulturist....
Está servira para distraerle.
Morning yogibear.
I really didn't say everything I said. (A Yogi-ism) !
Train Joseph to make Nasturtium sauce for Quinnat.
Perhaps we could be rude to each other in Morse Code?
How do you space out:
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My apologies, example for demonstration purposes only, not a reflection upon the erudition of members in this forum.
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Meester Oompilot (What is Oom anyway? A light twin?)
You still forgetting golden rule I remind about earlier but now I thinking this must be personal with you. Did VB run off with your gir (or boy) friend? I not knowing if you putt from rough. (sorry Matt Damon for the thievery of your movie line). Seriously you must lighten up sir and realise truth. Does VBtell you what you are doing in your house? I do not know the man but i seeming to already know you. Get to the councilling quickly and without delay and please to hurry. Maybe your children don't want no heart attack from you
relax and take life more easy.
S Fb
You still forgetting golden rule I remind about earlier but now I thinking this must be personal with you. Did VB run off with your gir (or boy) friend? I not knowing if you putt from rough. (sorry Matt Damon for the thievery of your movie line). Seriously you must lighten up sir and realise truth. Does VBtell you what you are doing in your house? I do not know the man but i seeming to already know you. Get to the councilling quickly and without delay and please to hurry. Maybe your children don't want no heart attack from you
relax and take life more easy.
S Fb
Está servira para distraerle.
In my limited experience of courtesy and language, in the taal, Oom means Uncle. It is also used as a term of respect.
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...or could be misconstrued as U-ninformed N-arsissistic C-lueless L-eftwing E-xtremist....
Or perhaps I am being too harsh on an already stressed and emotionally ruined gene-pool ?
Touche' on the Morse Code example cavortingcheetah.....
So then best I dont go with again for fear of being reprimanded for crass and unacceptable vernacular.....
