CAA fails FAA inspection ??????
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here it seems to be “sweeping whites out” as quick as you can and get a black in REGARDLESS of qualifications
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Well, I dunno. I cannot remember when I read so much nonsense on Pprune before. IMHO, things are bad in the RSA, very bad, if what I have read is true. And, if my experience of Africa is any guide, they will get much, much worse, before they get any better, if they ever do.
Quite a lot of people flying kites on the forum, for different motives, I would guess. Some of them are quite rude too.
And another point, although a small one, what about the person who calls him/herself CAA Chief. Is s/he so described accurately, or was s/he fired from the job ? Is s/he the best available ? Just asking for clarification, that’s all.
oTd
PS It’s clear to me that many Ppruners have hearts of gold and are true professionals, but they have not yet come up against the realities of aviation in Africa. God Bless ‘em.
Quite a lot of people flying kites on the forum, for different motives, I would guess. Some of them are quite rude too.
And another point, although a small one, what about the person who calls him/herself CAA Chief. Is s/he so described accurately, or was s/he fired from the job ? Is s/he the best available ? Just asking for clarification, that’s all.
oTd
PS It’s clear to me that many Ppruners have hearts of gold and are true professionals, but they have not yet come up against the realities of aviation in Africa. God Bless ‘em.
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IMHO Things are bad – but one thing that really gets me is that many of my neighbours etc are happy to moan for days but when it’s suggested to do something the apathy swamps you.
True I’m a newcomer so haven’t been worn down by the end of an era and what has happened since but come on guys at least try – hell it’s your country fight for it, you might lose but at least try.
NO – I don’t mean with guns and fists.
I won an argument with Telkom – reduced bill, better service (pre argument two weeks to look at fault – post same day service) it can be done if you go high and copy in the right people.
Support CAA Chief (who I belive is entitled to the name) – remember if your not part of the solution your part of the problem.
True I’m a newcomer so haven’t been worn down by the end of an era and what has happened since but come on guys at least try – hell it’s your country fight for it, you might lose but at least try.
NO – I don’t mean with guns and fists.
I won an argument with Telkom – reduced bill, better service (pre argument two weeks to look at fault – post same day service) it can be done if you go high and copy in the right people.
Support CAA Chief (who I belive is entitled to the name) – remember if your not part of the solution your part of the problem.
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Please everyone, can we keep this thread on track. Pprune and 4hp is being kind to us because we have a serious problem. Lets stick together and try and resolve it.
I was the one that invited CAA Chief to respond to this thread, which he did. He offered to help, so did ATR and most of us.
I know both CAA Chief and his predecessor and have worked with both of them. I accept the fact that none of us are without fault and I also accept that the solution must be found within the present political structure and atmosphere. (Remember to old saying: He who is without sin may cast the first stone)
What I think we are asking for is a period of time, a transition period, a time where experience and qualifications can be acquired and those that have it already can transfer it from one to the other.
Lets ask for a moratorium on the equity act as far as CAA is concerned for one year, two years, for as long as it takes to get CAA on track.
I was the one that invited CAA Chief to respond to this thread, which he did. He offered to help, so did ATR and most of us.
I know both CAA Chief and his predecessor and have worked with both of them. I accept the fact that none of us are without fault and I also accept that the solution must be found within the present political structure and atmosphere. (Remember to old saying: He who is without sin may cast the first stone)
What I think we are asking for is a period of time, a transition period, a time where experience and qualifications can be acquired and those that have it already can transfer it from one to the other.
Lets ask for a moratorium on the equity act as far as CAA is concerned for one year, two years, for as long as it takes to get CAA on track.
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Knoppiesdoorn,
the point is that the SA CAA are employing people that ie dont have minimum 6 months experience on type and dont have licenses.They are being employed because they are the right colour.
Wrong , man, wrong.
I do believe that the forthcoming months , the SA CAA are going to revert back to a gorvernment department.
the point is that the SA CAA are employing people that ie dont have minimum 6 months experience on type and dont have licenses.They are being employed because they are the right colour.
Wrong , man, wrong.
I do believe that the forthcoming months , the SA CAA are going to revert back to a gorvernment department.
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Yes I know and that is what we want to to stop. Getting the equity act off their back might help.
Going back to being the DCA is no gaurantee for a right change.
We need a firm undertaking from the minister to rectify the matter and employ only properly qualified people in accordance with ICAO recommendations. I can dream, can't I
As a matter of interest, the next time you pay your taxes observe the colour combination and you will understand why that department is one of the best run in the country, makes you think, does it not?
I-PILOT: Sorry I don't know what you mean.......
Yes I know and that is what we want to to stop. Getting the equity act off their back might help.
Going back to being the DCA is no gaurantee for a right change.
We need a firm undertaking from the minister to rectify the matter and employ only properly qualified people in accordance with ICAO recommendations. I can dream, can't I
As a matter of interest, the next time you pay your taxes observe the colour combination and you will understand why that department is one of the best run in the country, makes you think, does it not?
I-PILOT: Sorry I don't know what you mean.......
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At the risk of becoming known as argumentative or pedantic I’m not 100% sure asking for “moratorium” of the EEA in the case of the CAA is they way to go.
Moratorium means delay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moratorium) and it’s likely that the Govt wouldn’t be receptive to this idea.
It might be an idea to suggest that in the case of the CAA Chapter 111, Clause 20, Para 3), of the Act
“For purposes of this Act, a person may be suitably qualified for a job as a result of any one of, or any combination of that person's-
A) formal qualifications;
B) prior learning;
C) relevant experience; or
D) capacity to acquire, within a reasonable time, the ability to do the job.
is not fully appropriate as due to the safety critical nature of the work done A) AND C) are required to make a person “suitably qualified” and the “reasonable time” outlined in D) runs to years.
Having had a look at the Act it seem that the CAA are in compliance – another relevant bit is :-
In making a determination under subsection (4), an employer may not unfairly discriminate against a person solely on the grounds of that person's lack of relevant experience.
IMHO care must taken to avoid any hint of an “attack” on the EEA – we should rather “congratulate” the CAA on their eagerness to comply whilst pointing out their task is Specialised and therefore requires the use of a personnel selection procedure that is slightly more stringent than the Act requires.
We would also need to give a “save face solution” – ie suggest that the new CAA guys who are busy getting a CPL / experience are “seconded” to SAA to gain “operational and flight safety experience” – during their “secondment” “old hands” could be employed.
Just something to think about – after all it’s not just what you say but how you say it.
For those interested http://www.acts.co.za/index.htm has a copy of the Act – it cures insomnia a treat
Moratorium means delay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moratorium) and it’s likely that the Govt wouldn’t be receptive to this idea.
It might be an idea to suggest that in the case of the CAA Chapter 111, Clause 20, Para 3), of the Act
“For purposes of this Act, a person may be suitably qualified for a job as a result of any one of, or any combination of that person's-
A) formal qualifications;
B) prior learning;
C) relevant experience; or
D) capacity to acquire, within a reasonable time, the ability to do the job.
is not fully appropriate as due to the safety critical nature of the work done A) AND C) are required to make a person “suitably qualified” and the “reasonable time” outlined in D) runs to years.
Having had a look at the Act it seem that the CAA are in compliance – another relevant bit is :-
In making a determination under subsection (4), an employer may not unfairly discriminate against a person solely on the grounds of that person's lack of relevant experience.
IMHO care must taken to avoid any hint of an “attack” on the EEA – we should rather “congratulate” the CAA on their eagerness to comply whilst pointing out their task is Specialised and therefore requires the use of a personnel selection procedure that is slightly more stringent than the Act requires.
We would also need to give a “save face solution” – ie suggest that the new CAA guys who are busy getting a CPL / experience are “seconded” to SAA to gain “operational and flight safety experience” – during their “secondment” “old hands” could be employed.
Just something to think about – after all it’s not just what you say but how you say it.
For those interested http://www.acts.co.za/index.htm has a copy of the Act – it cures insomnia a treat
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OK. So "we" have to be positive, and do something constructive. This always seems a bit daunting in the eyes of the dooers if the authorities are not very responsive.
1) Is 'Zukile Nomvete' still with the SACAA?
If so, are you aware of his 'history'? What is his function, and package......?
1) Is 'Zukile Nomvete' still with the SACAA?
If so, are you aware of his 'history'? What is his function, and package......?
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Nomvete ...aaaargh!!
Nomvete was the deputy chairman of the board between 2001-2003. Got booted off with the entire board this year - probably not unrelated to the chaos which was emerging at the CAA
He also has a distinguished record of having been fired from the Great North Transport board by the MEC for Transport in Limpopo for among others, nepotism, poor corporate governance, favouritism, etc.
He also got fired from the post of chairman of the Gauteng Toursim board by the then MEC Moleketi (current Dep Min Finance). That was after instituting forensic audit on the incumbent CEO before he stepped in to acting CEO position.
He was also ...shall we say relieved of his duties from SAA by the then Transnet CEO Saki Macozoma .. for incompetence. There are many out there wo could comment on this saga.
The list goes on.
Word has it that he was behind the hounding of ole Trevor out of the CAA.
He also has a distinguished record of having been fired from the Great North Transport board by the MEC for Transport in Limpopo for among others, nepotism, poor corporate governance, favouritism, etc.
He also got fired from the post of chairman of the Gauteng Toursim board by the then MEC Moleketi (current Dep Min Finance). That was after instituting forensic audit on the incumbent CEO before he stepped in to acting CEO position.
He was also ...shall we say relieved of his duties from SAA by the then Transnet CEO Saki Macozoma .. for incompetence. There are many out there wo could comment on this saga.
The list goes on.
Word has it that he was behind the hounding of ole Trevor out of the CAA.
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From African Pilot Newsletter Vol.4 No.39:
USA FAA inspection of SA CAA
Although Mr. Gilbert Thwala has categorically denied that the USA FAA has paid the SA CAA a visit in which our landing rights could come under threat from the USA giant of aviation, our investigations have revealed that the FAA visits the SA CAA on a six monthly cycle basis. I have asked the FAA for clarity on the rumour but at the time of writing no reply has yet been forthcoming, except to acknowledge my communication. Some years ago, before 9/11, two FAA inspectors walked through Johannesburg International Airport security with hand grenades. Ever since, the FAA and ICAO have become involved in the numerous aspects of African aviation in an attempt to maintain standards. Perhaps this is also a reason why the CAHRS system was hurriedly re-launched after becoming virtually defunct.
It has been alleged that at the most recent 'check up' the FAA expressed its concern for declining standards at the SA CAA, especially in the airworthiness, accident investigation and training departments. The FAA requested a full list with CV's of the current inspectorate which was provided timorously. However, several of the CVs submitted were those of inspectors who have impressive CV's combined with years of experience, but have since left the employ of the SA CAA. The world is a small place with immediate electronic communication allowing for the quick checking of information with the person(s) concerned.
Some weeks back the SA CAA advertised for suitably qualified inspectors where the advert specifically stated that candidates would be selected for interviews based on merit and qualifications, not necessarily BEE requirements. This advert was as a direct result of the USA FAA findings. However, we have received information that six of the eight applicants were 'pale males' and their CVs were thrown out by a senior CAA manager. From this and other observations of the current status within the CAA, it appears that they are determined to change the colour balance at the regulatory body, even if this action puts aviation safety in our country at risk.
African Pilot firmly supports the making of changes and empowering the historically disadvantaged, but not at the expense of overall safety. There is no way in which years of experience can be sacrificed for orderly education in aviation, which is seriously lacking in our country. To have to witness gross mismanagement and the waste of government funds - seven million Rand - on an airshow - Mafikeng last week, instead of committing funds to an aviation educational facility is simply criminal and will not produce qualified people of excellence. We should all be looking towards education initiatives from our CAA so as to effectively make the correct changes. Fast tracking in aviation will almost certainly lead to disaster, which is something our country can ill afford in the build up to the Soccer World Cup in 2010. For further interesting reading about the current status of our South African Civil Aviation Authority please visit www.pprune.org and click on the Africa section that specifically deals with this subject.
USA FAA inspection of SA CAA
Although Mr. Gilbert Thwala has categorically denied that the USA FAA has paid the SA CAA a visit in which our landing rights could come under threat from the USA giant of aviation, our investigations have revealed that the FAA visits the SA CAA on a six monthly cycle basis. I have asked the FAA for clarity on the rumour but at the time of writing no reply has yet been forthcoming, except to acknowledge my communication. Some years ago, before 9/11, two FAA inspectors walked through Johannesburg International Airport security with hand grenades. Ever since, the FAA and ICAO have become involved in the numerous aspects of African aviation in an attempt to maintain standards. Perhaps this is also a reason why the CAHRS system was hurriedly re-launched after becoming virtually defunct.
It has been alleged that at the most recent 'check up' the FAA expressed its concern for declining standards at the SA CAA, especially in the airworthiness, accident investigation and training departments. The FAA requested a full list with CV's of the current inspectorate which was provided timorously. However, several of the CVs submitted were those of inspectors who have impressive CV's combined with years of experience, but have since left the employ of the SA CAA. The world is a small place with immediate electronic communication allowing for the quick checking of information with the person(s) concerned.
Some weeks back the SA CAA advertised for suitably qualified inspectors where the advert specifically stated that candidates would be selected for interviews based on merit and qualifications, not necessarily BEE requirements. This advert was as a direct result of the USA FAA findings. However, we have received information that six of the eight applicants were 'pale males' and their CVs were thrown out by a senior CAA manager. From this and other observations of the current status within the CAA, it appears that they are determined to change the colour balance at the regulatory body, even if this action puts aviation safety in our country at risk.
African Pilot firmly supports the making of changes and empowering the historically disadvantaged, but not at the expense of overall safety. There is no way in which years of experience can be sacrificed for orderly education in aviation, which is seriously lacking in our country. To have to witness gross mismanagement and the waste of government funds - seven million Rand - on an airshow - Mafikeng last week, instead of committing funds to an aviation educational facility is simply criminal and will not produce qualified people of excellence. We should all be looking towards education initiatives from our CAA so as to effectively make the correct changes. Fast tracking in aviation will almost certainly lead to disaster, which is something our country can ill afford in the build up to the Soccer World Cup in 2010. For further interesting reading about the current status of our South African Civil Aviation Authority please visit www.pprune.org and click on the Africa section that specifically deals with this subject.
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Wonder if the word “timorously” (“full list with CV's of the current inspectorate which was provided timorously”) was the intended word.
(it seems to mean timidly or fearfully – one of many references http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=timorously)
(it seems to mean timidly or fearfully – one of many references http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=timorously)
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Like I said before..... everytime Gilbert Thwala's lips move.... he lies!
Approximately 2 months ago the CAA got permission from the Board to re-employ suitably qualified white people on a contract basis.
To date, none of this has happened, as Sakhile & Peter V are toooo busy trying to figure out which of their mates they can get in there.
Sakhile wants more Botswanians in there, and "ol Peter" is thinking about bringing in some retired Luftwaffe or Lufthansa personnel to train the "young and upcoming, PDI aviators and inspectors. Das Mutterland ober alle! Ja Wohl!
Nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, will change at the SACAA. Its going to become a total dysfunctional joint in the next year or so, and by that time, would have been "downgraded" to dead, zip zero, and will officially be classified as a non functioning department of a banana republic.
Go monkeys, go!
Approximately 2 months ago the CAA got permission from the Board to re-employ suitably qualified white people on a contract basis.
To date, none of this has happened, as Sakhile & Peter V are toooo busy trying to figure out which of their mates they can get in there.
Sakhile wants more Botswanians in there, and "ol Peter" is thinking about bringing in some retired Luftwaffe or Lufthansa personnel to train the "young and upcoming, PDI aviators and inspectors. Das Mutterland ober alle! Ja Wohl!Nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, will change at the SACAA. Its going to become a total dysfunctional joint in the next year or so, and by that time, would have been "downgraded" to dead, zip zero, and will officially be classified as a non functioning department of a banana republic.
Go monkeys, go!
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Brilliant!!!, After several years heading an aviation organisation I decided earlier this year to take a so call '' sabatical''. Reason, get out of the zoo before you're caged in. Some interesting comments made though, firstly I am quite curious to know who is the 2IC from SAA that joined Equity Aviation. If the individual is as $%#%#% up as made out to be then they deserve each another.
Besides, I can clearly recall having several CAA inspections, only to be disappointed at the standards adhered to, the incompetence that prevailed. Absolute idiots.
I just have this to share though, I sincerely do not beleive that BEE or any other form of employment policy has anything to do with the current mess. In fact I was recently informed that there is already interference from the current CAA EXCO in the appointment of the twice advertised CEO posts. ''Something about the job being ochestrated for a buddy''. Sorry Trevor....might want to hang out there longer. Anyway wrt to Trevor, yes turing around the old ship took quite an effort, and besides everyone makes mistakes, but then being in such an organisation, well Julius Caesar would be far safer with Brutus than some of the inviduals within the caveat of the CAA.
Must admit though that perhaps, Trevor is quite correct, a concise well documented report may be the only way to go, most importantly though it has to be based on fact and fact alone. One addition though ,when going this route it has to be made public, something along the lines of the media, etc. We cannot gamble with the economy and much more importantly with our past enviable position as a progressive state. So if there are pundits out there that want to take on this mammoth task, count me in.
In the meantime, ''our wings are our only prayer''.
Regards
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Besides, I can clearly recall having several CAA inspections, only to be disappointed at the standards adhered to, the incompetence that prevailed. Absolute idiots.
I just have this to share though, I sincerely do not beleive that BEE or any other form of employment policy has anything to do with the current mess. In fact I was recently informed that there is already interference from the current CAA EXCO in the appointment of the twice advertised CEO posts. ''Something about the job being ochestrated for a buddy''. Sorry Trevor....might want to hang out there longer. Anyway wrt to Trevor, yes turing around the old ship took quite an effort, and besides everyone makes mistakes, but then being in such an organisation, well Julius Caesar would be far safer with Brutus than some of the inviduals within the caveat of the CAA.
Must admit though that perhaps, Trevor is quite correct, a concise well documented report may be the only way to go, most importantly though it has to be based on fact and fact alone. One addition though ,when going this route it has to be made public, something along the lines of the media, etc. We cannot gamble with the economy and much more importantly with our past enviable position as a progressive state. So if there are pundits out there that want to take on this mammoth task, count me in.
In the meantime, ''our wings are our only prayer''.
Regards
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Here's the deal,
I have an MBA, ATPL, instructor rated, lots of top management time. More than the advertized requirements for the post.
Applied (tongue in cheek) for the CEO post.
Guess who I had to apply to? The Black Management Forum!
Do you think I ever had any response?
Wrong colour, wrong sex!
I have an MBA, ATPL, instructor rated, lots of top management time. More than the advertized requirements for the post.
Applied (tongue in cheek) for the CEO post.
Guess who I had to apply to? The Black Management Forum!
Do you think I ever had any response?
Wrong colour, wrong sex!
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Good Credentials seem to be good in other spots in the world. Seems strange that the Gubament is screaming about the loss of Doctors, Nurses etc and have no clue why they are leaving. Aviation will soon follow.
Paybacks may be OK to an extent, but its going to be SAs downfall.
I cant see Mr. President as being Stupid, but he certainly has filled a lot of positions wlth folks whose only gift in life is the ability to pick their nose in public.
Paybacks may be OK to an extent, but its going to be SAs downfall.
I cant see Mr. President as being Stupid, but he certainly has filled a lot of positions wlth folks whose only gift in life is the ability to pick their nose in public.
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It is a shame to see this thread drift down the topic list, probably into the archives soon. (like the thread on the "Lady")
So much information has been posted here and all for nothing, it seems, because those that can, and I am sure many have read this, is powerless to do something.
I saw an advert on Sunday for what seems to be Sakhile's position. Any information on this?
I have heard that she is considered suspect because of her marriage, if so, then, I realy feel sick.
So much information has been posted here and all for nothing, it seems, because those that can, and I am sure many have read this, is powerless to do something.
I saw an advert on Sunday for what seems to be Sakhile's position. Any information on this?
I have heard that she is considered suspect because of her marriage, if so, then, I realy feel sick.
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Hi Knoppies. The answer to your assumption is yes. Another one of the hot bush press, is that the new board has instructed the EXCO to ensure that the position is...(Designate). Some sort of safety net, in the event the new kid on the block does'nt shine well the rest will be history. Unless of course its another ''JOB for pals'.
Whats with the suspect.....marriage....
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Whats with the suspect.....marriage....
Regards
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