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i think it was nationwide 736,they got up to around fl270 then called in with number 1 engine failure.it was really a nonevent,they got priority onto rwy 03R,landed fine and,i must say,they sounded consummately professional on frequency.well done sir,and ma'am
Or Sortie III use the other runway! Delaying departures because of a sick jet, that's the last thing I would be thinking about....... As far as I'm concerned getting it down the best way possible for the pax and me is the only concern. Int departures can taxi a bit further
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SAA got the news through this time (took a while) 
Wonder what SAA paid to get this news .. I mean Monday and it is now Friday afternoon ?
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Wonder what SAA paid to get this news .. I mean Monday and it is now Friday afternoon ?
09/09/2005 14:31 - (SA)
Estrelita Moses
Cape Town - A passenger on board a Nationwide Airlines flight was left reeling on Monday night by the seeming non-chalance of the plane's captain after its No 1 engine was shut down.
The flight which was meant to leave Johannesburg for Cape Town at 16:25 was delayed by half an hour.
"About 35 minutes into the flight, the captain announced the No 1 engine had failed and we were returning to Johannesburg," passenger Athol Williams told News24.
"The flight back to Johannesburg was absolutely traumatic. I fly between Cape Town and Joburg almost twice a week and have never experienced anything like this. I'm a mechanical engineer by training and understand a plane can fly with just one engine but not hearing anything from the captain to reassure us things were under control was terrifying.
"As the plane twisted, dropped and rattled, I was convinced we were in serious trouble. Many passengers were having serious anxiety attacks."
The plane made it back to Johannesburg safely but the airline's response was far from adequate, according to Williams. "I was appalled by Nationwide staff's reaction. All the captain said was 'apologies for the inconvenience, these things happen'.
"This was of very little comfort to passengers who'd had a brush with death."
No formal announcement
Arrangements were made for passengers to catch another flight. "But even on that second flight, not much was said. Although the captain did walk through the plane and chat to a few passengers no formal announcement or apology was made. And we're still waiting for an apology, it's the least one can expect."
Another passenger who did not want to be identified also said staff didn't appear to be "too perturbed" by the incident. "The announcement was very quiet. All I wanted to do was get off the plane, I wanted to become hysterical. We did hear a bang.
"The weather was horrendous and the flight out was very bumpy to start with. After being told thrice by the captain the plane had lost one engine, the thought of turning around and flying back an engine down wasn't exactly comforting.
"Although it did appear to be contained and most passengers were relatively calm, it was clear they were shaken. I held the passenger next to me's hand the entire way back to Joburg.
She added that once the plane had landed and passengers had disembarked, a cursory glance revealed it appeared the engine had opened up and was leaking.
[b]"It's the first and last time I fly with Nationwide." [/u]
Commercial manager for Nationwide Airlines, Roger Whittle, denied allegations that the pilot or cabin crew had acted inappropriately.
"Feedback I got from some passengers was that the incident had been handled superbly by the cabin crew. And that the cabin crew in particular had been very calm and reassuring.
An abnormal occurrence
Whittle said the "failed" engine wasn't an emergency, but "an abnormal occurrence". A warning light had appeared on the instrument panel in the cockpit, which required that the engine be shut down for safety reasons.
The flight returned to Johannesburg and landed safely without incident. "At no time were the passengers in danger, it was simply precautionary," he added. "A standby flight was made available immediately so passengers could continue on their journey.
"Pilots and cabin crew are trained to handle these situations and as far as I've heard they handled it well. The pilot in question is usually very interactive with passengers so I'm surprised to hear the complaint.
"I think passengers on flights have become incredibly sensitive about flying due to the terror attacks and so on which probably makes a lot of people jumpy." Whittle did stress, however, that any complaint would be addressed.
Estrelita Moses Cape Town - A passenger on board a Nationwide Airlines flight was left reeling on Monday night by the seeming non-chalance of the plane's captain after its No 1 engine was shut down.
The flight which was meant to leave Johannesburg for Cape Town at 16:25 was delayed by half an hour.
"About 35 minutes into the flight, the captain announced the No 1 engine had failed and we were returning to Johannesburg," passenger Athol Williams told News24.
"The flight back to Johannesburg was absolutely traumatic. I fly between Cape Town and Joburg almost twice a week and have never experienced anything like this. I'm a mechanical engineer by training and understand a plane can fly with just one engine but not hearing anything from the captain to reassure us things were under control was terrifying.
"As the plane twisted, dropped and rattled, I was convinced we were in serious trouble. Many passengers were having serious anxiety attacks."
The plane made it back to Johannesburg safely but the airline's response was far from adequate, according to Williams. "I was appalled by Nationwide staff's reaction. All the captain said was 'apologies for the inconvenience, these things happen'.
"This was of very little comfort to passengers who'd had a brush with death."
No formal announcement
Arrangements were made for passengers to catch another flight. "But even on that second flight, not much was said. Although the captain did walk through the plane and chat to a few passengers no formal announcement or apology was made. And we're still waiting for an apology, it's the least one can expect."
Another passenger who did not want to be identified also said staff didn't appear to be "too perturbed" by the incident. "The announcement was very quiet. All I wanted to do was get off the plane, I wanted to become hysterical. We did hear a bang.
"The weather was horrendous and the flight out was very bumpy to start with. After being told thrice by the captain the plane had lost one engine, the thought of turning around and flying back an engine down wasn't exactly comforting.
"Although it did appear to be contained and most passengers were relatively calm, it was clear they were shaken. I held the passenger next to me's hand the entire way back to Joburg.
She added that once the plane had landed and passengers had disembarked, a cursory glance revealed it appeared the engine had opened up and was leaking.
[b]"It's the first and last time I fly with Nationwide." [/u]
Commercial manager for Nationwide Airlines, Roger Whittle, denied allegations that the pilot or cabin crew had acted inappropriately.
"Feedback I got from some passengers was that the incident had been handled superbly by the cabin crew. And that the cabin crew in particular had been very calm and reassuring.
An abnormal occurrence
Whittle said the "failed" engine wasn't an emergency, but "an abnormal occurrence". A warning light had appeared on the instrument panel in the cockpit, which required that the engine be shut down for safety reasons.
The flight returned to Johannesburg and landed safely without incident. "At no time were the passengers in danger, it was simply precautionary," he added. "A standby flight was made available immediately so passengers could continue on their journey.
"Pilots and cabin crew are trained to handle these situations and as far as I've heard they handled it well. The pilot in question is usually very interactive with passengers so I'm surprised to hear the complaint.
"I think passengers on flights have become incredibly sensitive about flying due to the terror attacks and so on which probably makes a lot of people jumpy." Whittle did stress, however, that any complaint would be addressed.
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Jeepers, if I hear another "Oooooh, the Captain says one of the static wicks/engines/wings has fallen off, it's nothing to worry about but obviously I have to hold hands with everyone/pray/cry/have a panic attack" news article, I'm going to puke! 
They must think we have nerves of steel to sit in these obviously borderline lethal machines every day. I mean ANY abnormality is a 'brush with death!'
They must think we have nerves of steel to sit in these obviously borderline lethal machines every day. I mean ANY abnormality is a 'brush with death!'
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I hate when pax make such a huge fuss about things like this. The pilots landed the aircraft safe at JNB without any injuries or worries.
What about driving to and from the airport? Ever thought twice about the car infront suddenly coming to a stop! What goes through your mind then? Do you also tell the press about the fear you had? If you think of how many aircraft flies on a daily basis without any problem. Surely every now and then a engine will pick up a problem, or a pilot might have to turn back for safety reasons.
I give the Capt all the credit he deserves for turning back and making sure everybody arrives safe!
All the bumps and sounds-we all know how bumpy it gets this time of the year with the westerly winds.
If people are so affraid then take the bus! Flying is was and will always be the safest way of travel! (my humble oppinion)
What about driving to and from the airport? Ever thought twice about the car infront suddenly coming to a stop! What goes through your mind then? Do you also tell the press about the fear you had? If you think of how many aircraft flies on a daily basis without any problem. Surely every now and then a engine will pick up a problem, or a pilot might have to turn back for safety reasons.
I give the Capt all the credit he deserves for turning back and making sure everybody arrives safe!
All the bumps and sounds-we all know how bumpy it gets this time of the year with the westerly winds.
If people are so affraid then take the bus! Flying is was and will always be the safest way of travel! (my humble oppinion)
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Journalist and passenger concerned should be put up against a wall and shot.
What next pax will start sueing for post traumatic stress when turbulence is encountered.
What next pax will start sueing for post traumatic stress when turbulence is encountered.
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FAGG - is jy mal of wat ??
Georgi Boy -
Your reaction is a little extreme – would you pull the trigger yourself ??? You must remember that pax are not experts (as is every one who posts on Pprune of course, sorry, I was forgetting that).
And as for you Ben, don’t knock the pax who, through ignorance (not a sin in my book) feel a bit rough afterwards. Were you ever there ? Easy man, be kind to the folks who pay the bills, you sound like a frustrated pantry pilot. It is so cheap to knock the pax, IMHO.
Captain Cb, as for you, well, with respect, I dispute your blasé contention that single engined flight, for any reason, in a twin, is a non-event.
Another thing, do not Nationwide not always sound “consummately professional” ? Twaak man.
Farmpilot seems to have a better handle on it than you do.
As for you Estreltia, Estrelizia, Extrellia, Orstralia, ag, I give up, moenie ‘n chalance vat nie..
It was simply a good job, well done, just like every other flight. Don’t get too excited about it guys. That’s what flying is all about.
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Your reaction is a little extreme – would you pull the trigger yourself ??? You must remember that pax are not experts (as is every one who posts on Pprune of course, sorry, I was forgetting that).
And as for you Ben, don’t knock the pax who, through ignorance (not a sin in my book) feel a bit rough afterwards. Were you ever there ? Easy man, be kind to the folks who pay the bills, you sound like a frustrated pantry pilot. It is so cheap to knock the pax, IMHO.
Captain Cb, as for you, well, with respect, I dispute your blasé contention that single engined flight, for any reason, in a twin, is a non-event.
Another thing, do not Nationwide not always sound “consummately professional” ? Twaak man.
Farmpilot seems to have a better handle on it than you do.
As for you Estreltia, Estrelizia, Extrellia, Orstralia, ag, I give up, moenie ‘n chalance vat nie..
It was simply a good job, well done, just like every other flight. Don’t get too excited about it guys. That’s what flying is all about.
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I think the sentiment in these esteemed fora is that there is just perhaps a few too many non life threatening situations being reported in the media as dicing with death.
Why if in both this incident and the 1-Time incident are the pilots not being hailed as life saving heros?
Surely if this guy is so please he has his life, where is the gratitude.
I suspect you're being contrary just for the heck of it. Nothing wrong with that
I think the sentiment in these esteemed fora is that there is just perhaps a few too many non life threatening situations being reported in the media as dicing with death.
Why if in both this incident and the 1-Time incident are the pilots not being hailed as life saving heros?
Surely if this guy is so please he has his life, where is the gratitude.
I suspect you're being contrary just for the heck of it. Nothing wrong with that
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This is such a load of k*k, since when does a plane rattle and twist, surely if a mechanical engineer or whatever knows the aircraft can fly on one engine then whats the problem? Does he expect the captain to grovel around on the floor in the cabin while the jet returns? And the captain apologised for the inconvenience but all the pax were looking for was an an apology. From personal experience the cabin crew are well trained to remain calm and would have handled the situation admirably.
Would fly CE any day!!!!
Sensationalism should at least be researched to some degree before making statements like the above.
Would fly CE any day!!!!
Sensationalism should at least be researched to some degree before making statements like the above.
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And I thought that a "fyndraai" was a tight base leg to finals 
.......ahem, gentlemen back to the topic please, we have heros to congratulate & nervous pax to console.
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.......ahem, gentlemen back to the topic please, we have heros to congratulate & nervous pax to console.4HP
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OK - pity though, I was just starting to enjoy the direction this thread was taking....
Bottom line is that we have had at least five airliners going down in the last month - with the associated horror stories and the fiery pics to back it up.
Not the kind of PR material that builds confidence in passengers, who know no difference between a Piper Cub and a 340-600.
They'll be totally shaken by anything slightly out of the ordinary, so maybe a normal 25 degree bank angle would suddenly feel like "twisted, dropped and rattled"!
To add to OTD's post - just remember that these people pay us to fly them from A to B safely and comfortably. Don't blame them when we don't.
Bottom line is that we have had at least five airliners going down in the last month - with the associated horror stories and the fiery pics to back it up.
Not the kind of PR material that builds confidence in passengers, who know no difference between a Piper Cub and a 340-600.
They'll be totally shaken by anything slightly out of the ordinary, so maybe a normal 25 degree bank angle would suddenly feel like "twisted, dropped and rattled"!
To add to OTD's post - just remember that these people pay us to fly them from A to B safely and comfortably. Don't blame them when we don't.
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Although I have issues with Nationwides reccurent training (and 1time) or lack thereof.........to little.............They did a good job, not to be unexpected and as said previously a non event.
And as usual the press rises to the occasion with reports of impending death and twisting and turning, screaming passengers etc etc.............hey was it a MG 08 or a 737 this time....
And as usual the press rises to the occasion with reports of impending death and twisting and turning, screaming passengers etc etc.............hey was it a MG 08 or a 737 this time....
