Cape Town Runway closed again - the debacle continues
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Have moved again
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hay.. I learned a few new buzzwords today. Impressive stuff, now won't you two kiss and make out so that whoever is responsible/accountable and whatever..able can get on with his job of fixing the ruddy ILS thing that’s not working.
I just like a peaceful ending......
I just like a peaceful ending......
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: oppieplaas
Posts: 190
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
P#$$*ng Contest?
Hey you guys, this is turning into a acid p#$$#ng contest.
Could the two of you please tell me and other stupid readers why the two of you have this contest without us?
If I understand this correctly.
0. ILS was checked and found not within limits, thus turned off so now....
1.ILS is u/s
2.Nobody is fixing it
3.Sombody is getting paid to fix it but cannot.
4 The fixer is still getting paid?
5. Even if they could fix it, they wouldnt be able to fix it because there arent any spares?
6.The needed spares still need to get ordered.
7.The owner doesnt want to fix it, because he has a contract with someone that is suppose to fix it.
8.The operater doesnt want to fix it because its not his, disregarding the fact that he is still charging his clients for using it, all though they cannot because its u/s?
Did I get it right?
If so, my advice would be to charge the client more, because its their fault, because they used it up. Give every one Xmas bonuses because there is extra money coming in. Then fire all the comptant staff because they make the incompetant staff look bad. Hire more incomptant staff to make the remaining staff look good. etc etc etc.
FIX THE BLOODY THING.
You need our help ask for it! You want us to put pressure on someone, e-mail fire and brimstone to some one. Tell the Beeld, the Citizen and other independent news sources like BBC,or IOL, ask us. We might be willing to help, because of all the parties involved its us the users that need it most.
Tell me how I can help.
Your willing and paying,
e-terrorist extrodinaire,
contraxdog
Could the two of you please tell me and other stupid readers why the two of you have this contest without us?
If I understand this correctly.
0. ILS was checked and found not within limits, thus turned off so now....
1.ILS is u/s
2.Nobody is fixing it
3.Sombody is getting paid to fix it but cannot.
4 The fixer is still getting paid?
5. Even if they could fix it, they wouldnt be able to fix it because there arent any spares?
6.The needed spares still need to get ordered.
7.The owner doesnt want to fix it, because he has a contract with someone that is suppose to fix it.
8.The operater doesnt want to fix it because its not his, disregarding the fact that he is still charging his clients for using it, all though they cannot because its u/s?
Did I get it right?
If so, my advice would be to charge the client more, because its their fault, because they used it up. Give every one Xmas bonuses because there is extra money coming in. Then fire all the comptant staff because they make the incompetant staff look bad. Hire more incomptant staff to make the remaining staff look good. etc etc etc.
FIX THE BLOODY THING.
You need our help ask for it! You want us to put pressure on someone, e-mail fire and brimstone to some one. Tell the Beeld, the Citizen and other independent news sources like BBC,or IOL, ask us. We might be willing to help, because of all the parties involved its us the users that need it most.
Tell me how I can help.
Your willing and paying,
e-terrorist extrodinaire,
contraxdog
"the time has come the walrus said to speak of many things, of pirate ships and sealing wax, and cabbages and kings..."
GunsssR4ever
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Out there somewhere ...
Posts: 3,816
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Mhhhh the two ATC's having an acid pi$$ing contest.
Contraxdog - You have not told the forum that we are sharing a room tomorrow night on a beach house ... so what contest will we provide
PS: Loaded with cold SA wine, headache tab's and of course Essentiale awaiting your arrival in constipation 
Contraxdog - You have not told the forum that we are sharing a room tomorrow night on a beach house ... so what contest will we provide
PS: Loaded with cold SA wine, headache tab's and of course Essentiale
awaiting your arrival in constipation
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: ?
Posts: 462
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Malaysia 747 damages runway today at FACT...
Heard this on 702 news at 1PM...
3 hour delays out of FAJS for CT bound flights due damage to the runway(19 i presume) at FACT caused by a Malaysia Airlines 744 on departure this morning.
Any info on what precisely happened? If its a tailstike,its certainly not MH's first one!
Cheers.Cb
3 hour delays out of FAJS for CT bound flights due damage to the runway(19 i presume) at FACT caused by a Malaysia Airlines 744 on departure this morning.
Any info on what precisely happened? If its a tailstike,its certainly not MH's first one!
Cheers.Cb
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: South Africa
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Yip absoultely chaos at FACT the pothole is at the intersection of 01/19 and 36/14 so only accepting departures from intersection.
Not sure what caused it but went to ACSA flight information website and all you see is indefinate delays all over the place!Most flights that were enroute diverted to FAGG till that was full!
Intersting to see what happens
.
que
Not sure what caused it but went to ACSA flight information website and all you see is indefinate delays all over the place!Most flights that were enroute diverted to FAGG till that was full!
Intersting to see what happens
.
que
Registered User *
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Not here anymore
Age: 63
Posts: 591
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
And as usual ACSA blames everybody except ACSA...(according to 702)...Malaysian in this case and I qoute from a previous posting "big piece of runway removed by jet blast from departing Malaysia Airlines". Was the runway surface not up to scratch or what? Surely FACT can handle the 744!..or can it with maintenance standards now being at the rest of ACSA's standards it seems.
Anyway, heard just now (on 702 again) it was a cargo plane that caused the damage on landing. Spindoctoring or what now ACSA? Suppose it had Zuma to do with Malaysian after all. Well I hope they take ACSA (and maybe Talk Radio 702) to the cleaners if this is the case and they are innocent all along.
BTW, I flew into FAJS from Windhoek on Friday night, and boy did the foreign pax complained when we went by bus from "C" where we parked via "B" and then backtracked along "A" to be dropped of in the wrong place (not international arrivals!)!
Anyway, heard just now (on 702 again) it was a cargo plane that caused the damage on landing. Spindoctoring or what now ACSA? Suppose it had Zuma to do with Malaysian after all. Well I hope they take ACSA (and maybe Talk Radio 702) to the cleaners if this is the case and they are innocent all along.
BTW, I flew into FAJS from Windhoek on Friday night, and boy did the foreign pax complained when we went by bus from "C" where we parked via "B" and then backtracked along "A" to be dropped of in the wrong place (not international arrivals!)!
Gatvol
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: KLAS/TIST/FAJS/KFAI
Posts: 4,195
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Can we just look at this and say, a 744 will damage a runway if it Crashes or if the Runway does not meet standards for an aircraft that size.........
So the pothole was repaired or filled in.......??
So the pothole was repaired or filled in.......??
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Brazil
Age: 61
Posts: 285
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Just on e-tv news
Some blame a Russian freighter that delivered a yacht – but the airport seems to leaning to “we’re not sure” “it might have been the weather”.
Yes – weather – she (the spokesperson) said about hot / cold, contraction / expansion.
(me thinks they should blame the Russians )
Some blame a Russian freighter that delivered a yacht – but the airport seems to leaning to “we’re not sure” “it might have been the weather”.
Yes – weather – she (the spokesperson) said about hot / cold, contraction / expansion.
(me thinks they should blame the Russians
)
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Gauteng ( South Africa )
Posts: 91
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
On SABC they said "it was probably Natural Causes"
Must be that ACSA "natrually" doesnt maintain things
They did show a An-124 of Antonov Airlines and a unknown IL-76 sitting on the apron with a BA 744 inbetween them
Must be that ACSA "natrually" doesnt maintain things
They did show a An-124 of Antonov Airlines and a unknown IL-76 sitting on the apron with a BA 744 inbetween them
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Gangster Paradise, RSA
Posts: 230
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
African Tech Rep
Agree with you on them Russians... Heard a rumour that on last weeks AFRA meeting in Cocknexttomountain, AFRA wants to get all Russian airplanes out of of Africa. Now the best is, Russian IL-76's are flying for the SAAF as LMG603 from LAD to JNB...Heard them last week on the radio, blabbing English....
They got my vote, out!
Agree with you on them Russians... Heard a rumour that on last weeks AFRA meeting in Cocknexttomountain, AFRA wants to get all Russian airplanes out of of Africa. Now the best is, Russian IL-76's are flying for the SAAF as LMG603 from LAD to JNB...Heard them last week on the radio, blabbing English....
They got my vote, out!
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: South Africa
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The big Russian freighter that landed recently was an Antonov 124 but there was a continuos rush this morning of A340's and 747's bombarding that section of runway.I also believe that the maintenance work on the main runway at night time for the last few months has been concentrating on that intersection lately.Typical ACSA though.Not our fault!!!Are they not resposible also for ils 01 downgraded to cat 1 because they wont pay to replace the damaged parts or so the story goes??A number of international arrivals diverted about 2 or 3 weeks ago because the wx was below minima. nice 1
nice 1
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Brazil
Age: 61
Posts: 285
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I know it’s not going to be ACSA’s fault – but what “got me” was the attempt to blame it on “the weather” or “natural causes”.
“Joe public” will accept “a big plane landed and broke the runway” but not “we didn’t expect it rain”.
It’s almost too silly for words – if your going to “spin” something you DO NOT spin it so you sound stupid – and this is exactly what ACSA seem to be doing.
Actually
is probably more appropriate.
“Joe public” will accept “a big plane landed and broke the runway” but not “we didn’t expect it rain”.
It’s almost too silly for words – if your going to “spin” something you DO NOT spin it so you sound stupid – and this is exactly what ACSA seem to be doing.
Actually
is probably more appropriate.
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: ?
Posts: 462
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hey all.
Interesting that ACSA blames "natural causes"...i always thought that the term referred only to a comment on a death certificate!But i heard the woman spokesman on SABC News too.A lot of 'corporate speak' amounting to zero info and well,one has to think in the absence of any evidence to the contrary that perhaps ACSA maintenance IS to blame.
By the way,the IL-76 is ER-IBE of Avcom Airlines i believe.The AN-124 came into FACT around 7am local so surely if it did the damage,as has been suggested,someone other than the MAS flight would have noticed? That is only supposed to leave around 10am...
Interesting piece of mystery here!
Interesting that ACSA blames "natural causes"...i always thought that the term referred only to a comment on a death certificate!But i heard the woman spokesman on SABC News too.A lot of 'corporate speak' amounting to zero info and well,one has to think in the absence of any evidence to the contrary that perhaps ACSA maintenance IS to blame.
By the way,the IL-76 is ER-IBE of Avcom Airlines i believe.The AN-124 came into FACT around 7am local so surely if it did the damage,as has been suggested,someone other than the MAS flight would have noticed? That is only supposed to leave around 10am...
Interesting piece of mystery here!
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: The World, although sometimes I wonder
Posts: 388
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
CAPE TOWN INT'L - truly worthy of a listing on the IFAPLA black list
As someone who has worked at Cape Town for many years, I have watched a sure but steady decline in the stadard and appearance of CTI.
I believe that IFALPA needs to get involved and investigate whether or not the airfield is worthy of being put on the black list.
At the outset one needs to compliment ATNS – they have certainly spent a lot of money upgrading systems and staying ahead of the traffic situation. Extra staff have been employed and much training, research and development has been undertaken. The same cannot be said for ACSA. ATNS is in a very fabourable situation to be able to handle any situation that is thrown at them and the 2010 world cup is well up on the agenda and being managed. Constant management of traffic figures is watched and plans are accordingly made. The same cannot be said of dear old ACSA
One has to look at the state of the ILSs. They are down so many times one has given up on counting them – they are extremely unreliable and no-one can say when they are going to be repaired. How long does the present unsafe situation have to go on for, before they are fixed – do we need an accident before something gets done??
The incident today involving the runway closure was also a good point in case. It was complete and utter shambles. No-one at ACSA wants to take accountability for the messup and they are running around blaming natural causes and aircraft. Heavens above a runway is designed to take a/c landing and taking off – it should not be blown away. ACSA wants to employ these cheap companies to repair their airfield – they must now live with the consequences and take accountability for the outcome. The runway hole was a direct result of shoddy work.
The airport could not cope with the resultant outcome. The roads around the airport were a complete and utter shambles – where we the traffic cops?. The traffic around the ringroad was chaotic and hardly moved at all. The car park is woefully inadequate and the new car park is so far behind, one wonders where they will park all the cars over the coming festive season, never mind 2010.
The terminal buidlings were hopelessly over-exposed to their inadequacies and were not able to handle the amount of passengers. Does ACSA realise that 2010 is just over 1200 days away and they need to do some serious planning if they do not want a completely shambolic situation?
Nevermind the airside – when the runway did reopen all hell broke lose. The airport ran short of gates and aircraft were left to hold on a taxiway because of no gates. We had 5 a/c waiting for gates at one stage and ACSA really had no idea what to do. Whatever happened to their gate allocation vs slot management vs pre-planning. It was eventually left to the ground controllers to run the whole show. What are they going to do if another airport goes down in this country and what are they planning to do with 2010 soccer world cup. Luckily there were some pretty experienced controllers on duty today and they could sort it out – ACSA could not.
ATNS has the capacity – ACSA does not – high speed turn offs are needed and they are needed fast – runway 01 can handle far more a/c than 19. Holding bays are needed at holding points to allow a/c to pass each other. Todays situation highlighted the need for another runway and it is needed quickly.
The state of the airfield also leaves a lot to be desired – overgrown in certain areas and lack of vegetaion next to the runways invariably leads to heavy jets blasting dirt and FOD all over the place. I cant remember when I worked a ground shift and did not have ACSA staff running around sweeping taxiways and runways to remove stone, dirt and other FOD.
Come on ACSA take accountability for the present state of this airport and sort it out, so the rot will stop and we can have an airfield we can be proud of, and not become a truly thirld world airport with things that are run down, do not work and a safety hazard. Stick on the road you are now and you will be there quicker than you think.
I believe that IFALPA needs to get involved and investigate whether or not the airfield is worthy of being put on the black list.
At the outset one needs to compliment ATNS – they have certainly spent a lot of money upgrading systems and staying ahead of the traffic situation. Extra staff have been employed and much training, research and development has been undertaken. The same cannot be said for ACSA. ATNS is in a very fabourable situation to be able to handle any situation that is thrown at them and the 2010 world cup is well up on the agenda and being managed. Constant management of traffic figures is watched and plans are accordingly made. The same cannot be said of dear old ACSA
One has to look at the state of the ILSs. They are down so many times one has given up on counting them – they are extremely unreliable and no-one can say when they are going to be repaired. How long does the present unsafe situation have to go on for, before they are fixed – do we need an accident before something gets done??
The incident today involving the runway closure was also a good point in case. It was complete and utter shambles. No-one at ACSA wants to take accountability for the messup and they are running around blaming natural causes and aircraft. Heavens above a runway is designed to take a/c landing and taking off – it should not be blown away. ACSA wants to employ these cheap companies to repair their airfield – they must now live with the consequences and take accountability for the outcome. The runway hole was a direct result of shoddy work.
The airport could not cope with the resultant outcome. The roads around the airport were a complete and utter shambles – where we the traffic cops?. The traffic around the ringroad was chaotic and hardly moved at all. The car park is woefully inadequate and the new car park is so far behind, one wonders where they will park all the cars over the coming festive season, never mind 2010.
The terminal buidlings were hopelessly over-exposed to their inadequacies and were not able to handle the amount of passengers. Does ACSA realise that 2010 is just over 1200 days away and they need to do some serious planning if they do not want a completely shambolic situation?
Nevermind the airside – when the runway did reopen all hell broke lose. The airport ran short of gates and aircraft were left to hold on a taxiway because of no gates. We had 5 a/c waiting for gates at one stage and ACSA really had no idea what to do. Whatever happened to their gate allocation vs slot management vs pre-planning. It was eventually left to the ground controllers to run the whole show. What are they going to do if another airport goes down in this country and what are they planning to do with 2010 soccer world cup. Luckily there were some pretty experienced controllers on duty today and they could sort it out – ACSA could not.
ATNS has the capacity – ACSA does not – high speed turn offs are needed and they are needed fast – runway 01 can handle far more a/c than 19. Holding bays are needed at holding points to allow a/c to pass each other. Todays situation highlighted the need for another runway and it is needed quickly.
The state of the airfield also leaves a lot to be desired – overgrown in certain areas and lack of vegetaion next to the runways invariably leads to heavy jets blasting dirt and FOD all over the place. I cant remember when I worked a ground shift and did not have ACSA staff running around sweeping taxiways and runways to remove stone, dirt and other FOD.
Come on ACSA take accountability for the present state of this airport and sort it out, so the rot will stop and we can have an airfield we can be proud of, and not become a truly thirld world airport with things that are run down, do not work and a safety hazard. Stick on the road you are now and you will be there quicker than you think.