Zim Airforce Casa Crash
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Seems Tachi is all draped in the flag of Zimboonland. Good for him. Rhodie was born in Rhodesia so I guess its an appropriate name.
Gunns a question for you. It seems the general attitude between SAers and Zimmers is We and They. So since the crew that perished were in Zim, were they actually working for Bob??(At least in some sense as he no doubt scrapes and cream off the top of anything that resembles a functioning entity there.)
Are they not sort of Them than We?? Also if these folks were SAers working in Zim wouldnt that be somewhat of an afront to what so many of you stuck your necks out for??
I.R. Pirate makes a good point, but also one that is slowly becoming the sound of SA??
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Gunns a question for you. It seems the general attitude between SAers and Zimmers is We and They. So since the crew that perished were in Zim, were they actually working for Bob??(At least in some sense as he no doubt scrapes and cream off the top of anything that resembles a functioning entity there.)
Are they not sort of Them than We?? Also if these folks were SAers working in Zim wouldnt that be somewhat of an afront to what so many of you stuck your necks out for??
I.R. Pirate makes a good point, but also one that is slowly becoming the sound of SA??
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Nothing I'm on about takes away from the sadness that is caused by the death of one of our airborne collegues, HOWEVER....tAchi..... Heres a question for you.... Show me any country in the universe, that uses the terms comrade, and viva....that has made a success of itsself and has managed to climb out of the 3rd world gutter of dispair and misery? You do that, and you are free to chant whatever you want. Trying to stand up for Zimbobwe, is comparable to standing up for paedophilia. Wake up clown!!!!
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Whatever you guys say It does matter. you wont understand zim more than zims. Bad or worse I have no where else as home I better enjoy my home . Enjoy yours too guys . we need to move on..... . swearing and all does not help. Over and out.
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The gist of the thread is that two pilots lost their lives at Harare Airport. Now whatever colour or whoever they work for is I think totally irrelavant. May their souls rest in peace. 
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Maybe Tachi has a point ... Zim's understanding Zim's and Rhodies understanding Rhodie / Zim is in a different league alltogether.
To answer Bert's question.
Mate a Zim is a Zim and a Saffer a Saffer.
A Rhodie is , was and always will remain a Rhodie (with a few exceptions) but I can not answer on their behalf.
And before I get into politics and discuss colour schemes ... I am signing off as I had a few beers in a country where the colour of your skin does not matter (something not normally seen around in Africa).
I am gone ...
To answer Bert's question.
Mate a Zim is a Zim and a Saffer a Saffer.
A Rhodie is , was and always will remain a Rhodie (with a few exceptions) but I can not answer on their behalf.
And before I get into politics and discuss colour schemes ... I am signing off as I had a few beers in a country where the colour of your skin does not matter (something not normally seen around in Africa).
I am gone ...
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Tachi is brain washed
All I said was Rhodie the name in itself is insulting to Zimbabweans and Rhodie himself Knows that. Its fact . I need to seat with you or better still call rhodie he may fill you in and give you what we went through for you to appreciate reality . then and only then are you qualified to comment from an informed point of view. I say again Viva Zimbabwe.
Hey Tachi, speak for yourself sunshine and dont include me with your childish vision of Zim.
Im a Zim/Rhodie and Im not indoctrinated with all the Viva Zim garbage. Zimbabwe is a ruins in the South East and President Catastrophe named the country after the same Ruins. Nothing to be proud of there.
Maybe one day but not now.
Dont go away Gunns you know the country as well as any.
Hey Tachi, speak for yourself sunshine and dont include me with your childish vision of Zim.
Im a Zim/Rhodie and Im not indoctrinated with all the Viva Zim garbage. Zimbabwe is a ruins in the South East and President Catastrophe named the country after the same Ruins. Nothing to be proud of there.
Maybe one day but not now.
Dont go away Gunns you know the country as well as any.
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Here we go again. Zimbabwe was previously slated on this forum.... and with good reason. It once was a beautiful country with beautiful places, parks, eco environment etc. Today it is still a beautiful country but totally 
. Destroyed by a syphillis infected despot called Mugarbage who has nothing better to do than slag off the British. Both him and Thabo say "Colonialism is dead in Africa". Well, I recently experienced just how allive colonialism is in Africa. Just go to a fancy 5star hotel in Harare. Man, they polish your shoes, wait on you, serve you and best of all, they have nothing good to say about the AIDS infected, syphyllis riddled Bob!
Everyone wants to see the end of him, but most of the people are too scared to do anything, because like in a pretty good communist state..... cross the president and you're eliminated forever. I mean.... just see what these barbarians have done to Roy Bennet and his family after he was jailed. Raped, murdered and attacked his farm labourers, beat up his wife and kids, stole his coffee and raided his farm. People in this modern society that think it is cool to commit acts like that, should have their heads read. Anyone who stands up for Mugarbage should be eliminated along with him.
Just consider how many Zimbamboons are working in this country? Why? Because they fear their lives and there are no jobs for them to earn money to feed their families. So they head South to good ol RSA. Damn menace, but one cannot help but feel sorry for them because who would want to live under constant threat and fear. Never knowing when you or your family are going to be eliminated?
That brings me to an allegedly very highly (European University) educated, senior SACAA Official. A Zimbabwean by birth, but working in SA for the SACAA as an engineer of some sort. There is no job for him in his field in Zimbabwe, so he came to SA and the SACAA snapped him up because his face matches their equity employment policy. A Zimbamboon working in SA, being paid in SA, lives in Bryanston, earns R500K per annum..... all OK still.... but in conversation will tell you what a great country Zimbobwe is and what a great "Statesman" "Mad Bob" is!
Now I ask you, what is a dude like that doing in SA? Why does'nt he "rock-off" back to Zimbamboonland and go and maintain airplanes there? This is one of the reasons why the SACAA is so d. A non south African, living on the fat of RSA, coining it here, but does'nt care a dime for SA. As long as he gets paid, he does'nt care. He's living a real good life here with no worries, and his brothers and sisters are starving. A guy like that should be deported. He slags off SA along with BOB, but SA feeds him and his family, and educates his children..... free!
Back to the airplane crash........ The newspapers report that the student was a junior flight luit, and his instructor a Squadron Commander and senior instructor. They were conducting assymetric training, and at the time of the accident, one engine was shut down. It appears, according to eye witnesses that the student was not able to cope with the situation he was put in. An Air Force spokesperson confirmed the above and said that assymetric training was very demanding, and that it normally places the student under huge stress. He confirmed that the student was not capable of dealing with the situation. Yeah right! Why train him to fly then? Just shows you that the instructor/squadron commander was a real d**s as well, for not fixing the problem before it got so bad that the sitation caused them to crash. Maybe he was'nt up to it either......
I mean.... A Casa is such an easy plane to fly. Two reliable Garrets, engines reasonably close to each other that minimises severe swing when one engine is shut down, and then there is the yaw damper. Man, I don't know.
What you say Guns? You've poled those around with CE huh? Remember the Tzaneen show? Easy as pie huh?
. Destroyed by a syphillis infected despot called Mugarbage who has nothing better to do than slag off the British. Both him and Thabo say "Colonialism is dead in Africa". Well, I recently experienced just how allive colonialism is in Africa. Just go to a fancy 5star hotel in Harare. Man, they polish your shoes, wait on you, serve you and best of all, they have nothing good to say about the AIDS infected, syphyllis riddled Bob! Everyone wants to see the end of him, but most of the people are too scared to do anything, because like in a pretty good communist state..... cross the president and you're eliminated forever. I mean.... just see what these barbarians have done to Roy Bennet and his family after he was jailed. Raped, murdered and attacked his farm labourers, beat up his wife and kids, stole his coffee and raided his farm. People in this modern society that think it is cool to commit acts like that, should have their heads read. Anyone who stands up for Mugarbage should be eliminated along with him.
Just consider how many Zimbamboons are working in this country? Why? Because they fear their lives and there are no jobs for them to earn money to feed their families. So they head South to good ol RSA. Damn menace, but one cannot help but feel sorry for them because who would want to live under constant threat and fear. Never knowing when you or your family are going to be eliminated?
That brings me to an allegedly very highly (European University) educated, senior SACAA Official. A Zimbabwean by birth, but working in SA for the SACAA as an engineer of some sort. There is no job for him in his field in Zimbabwe, so he came to SA and the SACAA snapped him up because his face matches their equity employment policy. A Zimbamboon working in SA, being paid in SA, lives in Bryanston, earns R500K per annum..... all OK still.... but in conversation will tell you what a great country Zimbobwe is and what a great "Statesman" "Mad Bob" is!
Now I ask you, what is a dude like that doing in SA? Why does'nt he "rock-off" back to Zimbamboonland and go and maintain airplanes there? This is one of the reasons why the SACAA is so
d. A non south African, living on the fat of RSA, coining it here, but does'nt care a dime for SA. As long as he gets paid, he does'nt care. He's living a real good life here with no worries, and his brothers and sisters are starving. A guy like that should be deported. He slags off SA along with BOB, but SA feeds him and his family, and educates his children..... free!Back to the airplane crash........ The newspapers report that the student was a junior flight luit, and his instructor a Squadron Commander and senior instructor. They were conducting assymetric training, and at the time of the accident, one engine was shut down. It appears, according to eye witnesses that the student was not able to cope with the situation he was put in. An Air Force spokesperson confirmed the above and said that assymetric training was very demanding, and that it normally places the student under huge stress. He confirmed that the student was not capable of dealing with the situation. Yeah right! Why train him to fly then? Just shows you that the instructor/squadron commander was a real d**s as well, for not fixing the problem before it got so bad that the sitation caused them to crash. Maybe he was'nt up to it either......
I mean.... A Casa is such an easy plane to fly. Two reliable Garrets, engines reasonably close to each other that minimises severe swing when one engine is shut down, and then there is the yaw damper. Man, I don't know.
What you say Guns?
You've poled those around with CE huh? Remember the Tzaneen show? Easy as pie huh?
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Lo Clipboard,
Long time that TZ airshow
Yeah I have a few thou on them ... then again a great pilot lost his life while training the Ciskei or Transkei pilot's.
Those levers can be dangerous - so can reverse thrust in flight ... we always flew with an engineer who would not let you pick up the toggles to go into reverse till touch down.
RIP Alwyn and Velle (2 Engineers not with us today)
All the very best,
Gunsss
Long time that TZ airshow
Yeah I have a few thou on them ... then again a great pilot lost his life while training the Ciskei or Transkei pilot's.
Those levers can be dangerous - so can reverse thrust in flight ... we always flew with an engineer who would not let you pick up the toggles to go into reverse till touch down.
RIP Alwyn and Velle (2 Engineers not with us today)
All the very best,
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Damn...
I had this whole reply ready for Tachi, but it has all been said so well by Chambudzi, Gunss and Clipboard, that I shall desist..
Mine would not have been put so eloquently or as succintly as CB Esq.
Tachi - Shamwari, come talk anytime.. you are even welcome to come and have a beer in my pub at home... that is, of course, if you don't mind the Rhodesian flag on the wall, the military plaques and badges, the pictures of the Hunters and Vamp's and a whole bunch of other stuff.
Don't forget - that was my country, as much as it is yours. I, however, had had my birthright denied, the land I grew up in, worked in and fought for has been destroyed - and you don't like my name...?? I don't give a
(OK, maybe just a little dig...)
Cheers
R
I had this whole reply ready for Tachi, but it has all been said so well by Chambudzi, Gunss and Clipboard, that I shall desist..
Mine would not have been put so eloquently or as succintly as CB Esq.
Tachi - Shamwari, come talk anytime.. you are even welcome to come and have a beer in my pub at home... that is, of course, if you don't mind the Rhodesian flag on the wall, the military plaques and badges, the pictures of the Hunters and Vamp's and a whole bunch of other stuff.
Don't forget - that was my country, as much as it is yours. I, however, had had my birthright denied, the land I grew up in, worked in and fought for has been destroyed - and you don't like my name...?? I don't give a
(OK, maybe just a little dig...)
Cheers
R
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Tachi anybody can be proud of the country where they were born and brought up, that is something that colours the soul no matter what colour you are outside.
But to continue to condone and support a man whose ongoing policies have condemned the majority of people he rules to hunger misery and the uncertainty of arbitrary arrest imprisonment torture or death.
A judiciary that is neither impartial or independent but is controled by him.
Armed forces who are sent out as mercenaries to fight foreign wars for profit and gain and all in the name of the freedom he promised them after Chimurenga, would seem to be the actions of either a very simple fellow, or, one who is an active participent in what is happening in the country today.
They were pilots RIP.
But to continue to condone and support a man whose ongoing policies have condemned the majority of people he rules to hunger misery and the uncertainty of arbitrary arrest imprisonment torture or death.
A judiciary that is neither impartial or independent but is controled by him.
Armed forces who are sent out as mercenaries to fight foreign wars for profit and gain and all in the name of the freedom he promised them after Chimurenga, would seem to be the actions of either a very simple fellow, or, one who is an active participent in what is happening in the country today.
They were pilots RIP.
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Clipboard,
there seems to be a carbon copy of the Zimbabwian working for CAASA working for the Nam DCA - very high up. Would probably do a lot of Nam pilots a big favour as well if he mosied off back to his homeland to his great president.
(compare it to the reply by Skaz re. Namibian Licences ,"When will they learn")
Tach - do you mean what you say or are you just winding us up ?? Please let it be the latter.
there seems to be a carbon copy of the Zimbabwian working for CAASA working for the Nam DCA - very high up. Would probably do a lot of Nam pilots a big favour as well if he mosied off back to his homeland to his great president.
(compare it to the reply by Skaz re. Namibian Licences ,"When will they learn")
Tach - do you mean what you say or are you just winding us up ?? Please let it be the latter.
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Vote?
I live and work in Nigeria, as an American ex-pat, a non-Bushman.
With that adage about people in glass houses in mind, what in the world does 'voting' in the commonly accepted sense of the word have to do with what's going on in Zimbobwe?
Of course if someone wanted to be unkind they might suggest that our own American presidential elections showed some flaws, but at least there was a semblance of avoiding being openly seen to be committing daylight robbery/murder.
And in Nigeria the former dictator, Ibrahim Babangida, has very kindly offered to serve as President. The man has a really big heart and no shame.
But, last time I checked the newspapers, Bob seemed to have everything arranged in the good old African president-for-life manner, making voting rather redundant. He 'forgot' to invite the African Union election observers. Senility, or cunning? Never mind, it's 'Bob good,' whatever tricks the old goat gets up to.
It seems that some people can do that double-think number here, ignoring the reality and going for the 'correct' political/racial stance. PC I believe that is called. Without it, what would we do for fun? Let the flames rise!
By the way: I think you will find it is \'La luta continua,\' meaning, \'The struggle (to build socialism/crush imperialism/whatever) continues.\' It\'s another one of those markers like the clenched fist salute and the use/overuse of the term \'comrade\' that marks a believer in Marxism/Leninism/Stalinism/Maoism/totalititarianism.
Curiously, their political soulbrothers, the Fascists, are in very bad odour but the Reds are still acceptable to the weakminded everywhere.
With that adage about people in glass houses in mind, what in the world does 'voting' in the commonly accepted sense of the word have to do with what's going on in Zimbobwe?
Of course if someone wanted to be unkind they might suggest that our own American presidential elections showed some flaws, but at least there was a semblance of avoiding being openly seen to be committing daylight robbery/murder.
And in Nigeria the former dictator, Ibrahim Babangida, has very kindly offered to serve as President. The man has a really big heart and no shame.
But, last time I checked the newspapers, Bob seemed to have everything arranged in the good old African president-for-life manner, making voting rather redundant. He 'forgot' to invite the African Union election observers. Senility, or cunning? Never mind, it's 'Bob good,' whatever tricks the old goat gets up to.
It seems that some people can do that double-think number here, ignoring the reality and going for the 'correct' political/racial stance. PC I believe that is called. Without it, what would we do for fun? Let the flames rise!
By the way: I think you will find it is \'La luta continua,\' meaning, \'The struggle (to build socialism/crush imperialism/whatever) continues.\' It\'s another one of those markers like the clenched fist salute and the use/overuse of the term \'comrade\' that marks a believer in Marxism/Leninism/Stalinism/Maoism/totalititarianism.
Curiously, their political soulbrothers, the Fascists, are in very bad odour but the Reds are still acceptable to the weakminded everywhere.
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The struggle continues
I believe the Portuguese for "Aluta Contunia" is
"A luta continua".
Mistakenly, I used it at Ciampino some months ago and got a very odd look from the guy I was talking to. It has strong Kommunis connotations this side and must be used rather carefully, if at all, unless you are a Komunis of course.
Quite a few of those in this land. In fact I saw a super big band from the PCI (Italian Communist Party) playing in Campo dei Fiori last year. Bass player was a bit rough, but they could swing lekker man.
Must go back and read the insults again. Such fun !
oTd
"A luta continua".
Mistakenly, I used it at Ciampino some months ago and got a very odd look from the guy I was talking to. It has strong Kommunis connotations this side and must be used rather carefully, if at all, unless you are a Komunis of course.
Quite a few of those in this land. In fact I saw a super big band from the PCI (Italian Communist Party) playing in Campo dei Fiori last year. Bass player was a bit rough, but they could swing lekker man.
Must go back and read the insults again. Such fun !
oTd
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Aluta continua, victoria serta....
Gunns I see you mention the beers where colour dont matter. Do we by any chance have the same place in mind, the land of red green and gold?West of the Volta?
Dont tell me it took you six moths to fall in love with the charm of the place?
Guys, please lets start a new thread to slate the Bob a jaan. I dont think This is the place.
Two fellow brothers in wings took off and came back in the paper. They did assymetric training and lost it, and were most probably better aviators than me, and a couple of other fellow aviators I know.
Here's to you brothers, May you rest in peace, may I buy you guys a cold one, in the quiet cool place when I get there.
Dont tell me it took you six moths to fall in love with the charm of the place?
Guys, please lets start a new thread to slate the Bob a jaan. I dont think This is the place.
Two fellow brothers in wings took off and came back in the paper. They did assymetric training and lost it, and were most probably better aviators than me, and a couple of other fellow aviators I know.
Here's to you brothers, May you rest in peace, may I buy you guys a cold one, in the quiet cool place when I get there.
