SAA Employment Drive?
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SAA Employment Drive?
Most of us have seen the ads or heard about the 70 odd First Officers which SAA are supposed to be employing shortly.
Anyone actually knows when something concrete is gonna happen, like interviews & start dates etc?
Or is this gonna go the same route as the 40 odd we all heard about last year - I know about 2 that did go in...
Hopefully something does happen - we need the movement to happen yesterday, the way things are going these days!
Anyone actually knows when something concrete is gonna happen, like interviews & start dates etc?
Or is this gonna go the same route as the 40 odd we all heard about last year - I know about 2 that did go in...
Hopefully something does happen - we need the movement to happen yesterday, the way things are going these days!
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Wonder if it's such a great idea to work for a company that's digging a deeper hole for itself each day while waiting for the taxpayer to bail it out yet again. What happens when they go private as they were meant to do a while back already?
Comair would be my choice...
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Interviews appear to be ongoing.
Intake dates are not so readily available, but there seems to be a steady steam of new faces coming in, I guess between 4 and 8 each month, depending on course slots.
Rumour has it that the ex-cadet/PD pool is running short, so the pale males are in the running again.
Twotter, you must make your choice in life, and live with it, but at least apply, you can always leave if you don't like it.
Comair is a great place to work, 3-4 years to command if your hours are right when you join, and a good bunch of people to work with.
SAA offers more money all the way through, 10-14 years to command, a wider variety of planes to fly, but you do have to put up with everyone taking potshots at your employer, and you are "a number" in the system.
Lots of people are happy in both places, both companies loose crew to overseas airlines.
Good luck to all who apply.
Intake dates are not so readily available, but there seems to be a steady steam of new faces coming in, I guess between 4 and 8 each month, depending on course slots.
Rumour has it that the ex-cadet/PD pool is running short, so the pale males are in the running again.
Twotter, you must make your choice in life, and live with it, but at least apply, you can always leave if you don't like it.
Comair is a great place to work, 3-4 years to command if your hours are right when you join, and a good bunch of people to work with.
SAA offers more money all the way through, 10-14 years to command, a wider variety of planes to fly, but you do have to put up with everyone taking potshots at your employer, and you are "a number" in the system.
Lots of people are happy in both places, both companies loose crew to overseas airlines.
Good luck to all who apply.
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Twotter...
As mentioned above, the pale males/females are coming in thick and fast.
This year there were definately 60+ employed and of that probably less than 15% were of the PD group, which means that the majority of whingers only have themselves to blame for not getting in. Employment equity in the South African aviation industry is just not physically possible.
Comair may be a better place to work for in YOUR opinon, but I definitely beg to differ, those guys are two-faced (in my humble opinion).
As mentioned above, the pale males/females are coming in thick and fast.
This year there were definately 60+ employed and of that probably less than 15% were of the PD group, which means that the majority of whingers only have themselves to blame for not getting in. Employment equity in the South African aviation industry is just not physically possible.
Comair may be a better place to work for in YOUR opinon, but I definitely beg to differ, those guys are two-faced (in my humble opinion).
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Just a question guys....
When is COMAIR ever going to have a recruitment drive. Or do they only hire their buddies...which means a 'recruitment drive' is non existent in that circus!
At least spoories actually have these things, meaning people actually know when they are hiring or when they're NOT. Unlike our Pommie wannebes, who are always so evasive when it comes to employment...I wonder why?
When is COMAIR ever going to have a recruitment drive. Or do they only hire their buddies...which means a 'recruitment drive' is non existent in that circus!
At least spoories actually have these things, meaning people actually know when they are hiring or when they're NOT. Unlike our Pommie wannebes, who are always so evasive when it comes to employment...I wonder why?
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Hey Gimbal,
Cut out the Comair bashing bro'. I see your bitterness towards the airline continues. Comair continue to recruit on an ongoing basis. At least with Comair you know where you stand after you go through each stage of the recruitment process, unlike SAA who can't tell you from one month to the next what is going on. As far as recruitment drives are concerned SAA's is a joke. Who leaves you on a string for so long wondering if you have made it through the selection process or not?!!!
Maybe you should put the bitterness of Comair behind you as with that kind of atittude you're never going to get anywhere.
Press on buddy and enough of the Comair bashing. it's geting tired now!!!!
If you want to go fly for a sinking ship.....go.....and leave the money making airline to people who want to fly for it.
Cut out the Comair bashing bro'. I see your bitterness towards the airline continues. Comair continue to recruit on an ongoing basis. At least with Comair you know where you stand after you go through each stage of the recruitment process, unlike SAA who can't tell you from one month to the next what is going on. As far as recruitment drives are concerned SAA's is a joke. Who leaves you on a string for so long wondering if you have made it through the selection process or not?!!!
Maybe you should put the bitterness of Comair behind you as with that kind of atittude you're never going to get anywhere.
Press on buddy and enough of the Comair bashing. it's geting tired now!!!!
If you want to go fly for a sinking ship.....go.....and leave the money making airline to people who want to fly for it.
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Hey Beechbum,
How can you tell Gimbal to stop bashing Comair and then, in the very same post, go on and bash SAA. That makes you a bit of a Hypocrite.
Hey Twotter,
How long will they last if they privatise?
If SAA privatised two years ago, SAA would be +/- R1 billion in the black. SAA has made an operating profit two years in a row! The only thing wrong with SAA as an airline, is the politics. Many international airlines would kill for the pax loads SAA carries.
How can you tell Gimbal to stop bashing Comair and then, in the very same post, go on and bash SAA. That makes you a bit of a Hypocrite.
Hey Twotter,
How long will they last if they privatise?
If SAA privatised two years ago, SAA would be +/- R1 billion in the black. SAA has made an operating profit two years in a row! The only thing wrong with SAA as an airline, is the politics. Many international airlines would kill for the pax loads SAA carries.
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I'm not bashing SAA, just stating the truth on their recruitment process thats all. I'm not sure if you are a regular to this forum but everytime Gimbal has something to say about Comair he whinges and moans about them. It's getting a little tiresome now and the man needs to realise that carrying on about the same thing won't get him anywhere.........enough is enough now.
I'm not bashing SAA, just stating the truth on their recruitment process thats all. I'm not sure if you are a regular to this forum but everytime Gimbal has something to say about Comair he whinges and moans about them. It's getting a little tiresome now and the man needs to realise that carrying on about the same thing won't get him anywhere.........enough is enough now.
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As I read it operating profit is that shown before such silly deductions as tax, liabilities and any other trivial costs such as, oh, let's say fines imposed by courts of law.
How long will they last if they privatise?
Well that's the question I asked earlier and so far the general consensus among those i've spoken to seems to be "not long".
How long will they last if they privatise?
Well that's the question I asked earlier and so far the general consensus among those i've spoken to seems to be "not long".
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They fly fixed wings, they do strange things...
Boys, boys, sounding like girls here, no wonder you lost the Boere War to the English...
This is one of the reasons why the industry in South Africa is in such trouble. Nobody wants to allow anybody else their own opinion or place in the sun.
Lighten up!
This is one of the reasons why the industry in South Africa is in such trouble. Nobody wants to allow anybody else their own opinion or place in the sun.
Lighten up!
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Back to the Point
So atleast we have determined that the Employment "drive" is ongoing (SAA & Comair).
Any takers on what the rest of the Industry is doing then...
Link, Express, Nationwide, 1Time etc..?
Any takers on what the rest of the Industry is doing then...
Link, Express, Nationwide, 1Time etc..?
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I must agree its nice to see something happening in the industry. By the by whats the current 'call up' procedures at SAA. Still all the interviews the psycos and the sim check. Or is there a change cause I heard that there is a 'jet introductory course' on the offering.
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ERJ135-I suspect you're with Link and want to make the step sooner rather than later. Nice thinking with all the SAA/SAX/Link rumours. You do seem troubled though.
I gather you refer to Link in this case..if you are with Link?
Twotter, could'nt agree with you more. If SAA was a private company they would have been part of the historic flight (if that still exists???). Operating profit means zipp, nada, zero, f
all...check the bottom line on the balance sheet. SAA is in the RED! BIG TIME!
Skyvan, agreed. With SAA, SAX (always) and I believe with Link nowadays you're just a number in the system.
Gimbal, I agree with the rest. Wind your friggin' neck in about Comair. I've been around for a whole and have t-shirts and all the other goodies and baddies. Maybe Comair does not need a recruitment drive as there are enough bodies applying there (at Comair) whilst very few seems to favour SAA (unless they are of the PD clan obvioulsy...and they (the PD's) still seem to be on the endangered list). And just by the way, as you claim, Comair may be two faced but SAA must then surely be multi faced (or multi bullsters). Have first hand experience...at senior management level and not as a pilot by the way.
APR-The only thing I agree with you on is the politics. The NDoT and the SACAA seems to be in the same stable as SAA don't they. Route protection (internationally), no YD (open skies) implemetation, travel agents, my tax money...what the fk is new? No other airline is allowed to pass "GO" and collect R200 except SAA...Monopoly is the name of the game.
Beechbum-Go boet. Must know you.
Driver Airfame and BMM- No need to get sexist, let's be PC here.
Recoupe-
Spot on. Especially if they belong to the Government...ain't it.
FIDO-
Must be, to show all the PD's that there ARE in fact aircraft without those thing turning in FRONT of the engines but blowing out the REAR and that not all aircraft are straight winged. Oh yes, and the speedometer looks like a BM's.
No wonder ATNS is strained, two blips for certain operators' aircraft...one blip for the aircraft and one blip for the PD F/O that's a couple of miles behind. Did I say that?
we need the movement to happen yesterday, the way things are going these days!
Twotter, could'nt agree with you more. If SAA was a private company they would have been part of the historic flight (if that still exists???). Operating profit means zipp, nada, zero, f
all...check the bottom line on the balance sheet. SAA is in the RED! BIG TIME!Skyvan, agreed. With SAA, SAX (always) and I believe with Link nowadays you're just a number in the system.
Gimbal, I agree with the rest. Wind your friggin' neck in about Comair. I've been around for a whole and have t-shirts and all the other goodies and baddies. Maybe Comair does not need a recruitment drive as there are enough bodies applying there (at Comair) whilst very few seems to favour SAA (unless they are of the PD clan obvioulsy...and they (the PD's) still seem to be on the endangered list). And just by the way, as you claim, Comair may be two faced but SAA must then surely be multi faced (or multi bulls
ters). Have first hand experience...at senior management level and not as a pilot by the way.APR-The only thing I agree with you on is the politics. The NDoT and the SACAA seems to be in the same stable as SAA don't they. Route protection (internationally), no YD (open skies) implemetation, travel agents, my tax money...what the f
k is new? No other airline is allowed to pass "GO" and collect R200 except SAA...Monopoly is the name of the game. Beechbum-Go boet. Must know you.
Driver Airfame and BMM- No need to get sexist, let's be PC here.
Recoupe-
This is one of the reasons why the industry in South Africa is in such trouble. Nobody wants to allow anybody else their own opinion or place in the sun.
FIDO-
I heard that there is a 'jet introductory course' on the offering.
No wonder ATNS is strained, two blips for certain operators' aircraft...one blip for the aircraft and one blip for the PD F/O that's a couple of miles behind. Did I say that?
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Recruitment
Some of you may know this already. Here is my input into the recruitment process at the moment.
SAX and Nationwide: Have no info or experience with these companies' recruitment procedures. Sorry.
Link: Always ongoing. It helps if you know someone at Link to put your CV on top of the pile. Interview is pretty tough (the toughest one I've had), followed by psychos with Dr Horne in Benoni. No sim check of course. If they are short of crew, they can give you 1 week's notice to join.
Comair: They recently had two interview sessions. 6 people were interviewed in September and 6 people in October. Psychos again with the same Dr Horne, followed by the sim check. The October candidates did their sim check on the 737-300/400/500 sim. I believe all candicates were successful, and the first 4 are starting in Dec. The others will be called up when needed (say 3-8 months waiting period).
SAA: A lot has changed recently. The recruitment process had some flaws which is currently being addressed. Due to the sheer number of CV's and application forms that SAA gets, don't bother applying if you have less than 3000 hours total time as your application is automatically rejected. Dennis Spence is responsible for first stage screening of the application forms (not CVs). Most of you know the candicate selection works on a points system. Having personally seen the "points" system checklist, it seems fair. You gets points for ATP subjects, ATP etc, matric results, tertiary education type, structured training, instructors rating, hours of multi-engine turbine, corporate jet or airline flying (this system does not discriminate against someone who has many hours on a J41 as opposed to someone with many hours on a B727 for example), management or leadership experience etc. Sorry, can't remember all the items. Even if you have been for your interview / lunch some months ago etc, all candicates go through the new process again, but won't have to do psychos and sim ride if already completed. SAA are recruiting in small numbers every month using the new system.
SAX and Nationwide: Have no info or experience with these companies' recruitment procedures. Sorry.
Link: Always ongoing. It helps if you know someone at Link to put your CV on top of the pile. Interview is pretty tough (the toughest one I've had), followed by psychos with Dr Horne in Benoni. No sim check of course. If they are short of crew, they can give you 1 week's notice to join.
Comair: They recently had two interview sessions. 6 people were interviewed in September and 6 people in October. Psychos again with the same Dr Horne, followed by the sim check. The October candidates did their sim check on the 737-300/400/500 sim. I believe all candicates were successful, and the first 4 are starting in Dec. The others will be called up when needed (say 3-8 months waiting period).
SAA: A lot has changed recently. The recruitment process had some flaws which is currently being addressed. Due to the sheer number of CV's and application forms that SAA gets, don't bother applying if you have less than 3000 hours total time as your application is automatically rejected. Dennis Spence is responsible for first stage screening of the application forms (not CVs). Most of you know the candicate selection works on a points system. Having personally seen the "points" system checklist, it seems fair. You gets points for ATP subjects, ATP etc, matric results, tertiary education type, structured training, instructors rating, hours of multi-engine turbine, corporate jet or airline flying (this system does not discriminate against someone who has many hours on a J41 as opposed to someone with many hours on a B727 for example), management or leadership experience etc. Sorry, can't remember all the items. Even if you have been for your interview / lunch some months ago etc, all candicates go through the new process again, but won't have to do psychos and sim ride if already completed. SAA are recruiting in small numbers every month using the new system.