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... or know your machine inside out (which is what this thread was about in the first place)..? Or not insult other contributors by casting doubt upon their factual claims to having attended any particular speech..? Or even by using correct spelling:
Excepted: With the exclusion of; other than; but: everyone except me. (past tense)
Accepted: To receive (something offered), especially with gladness or approval: accepted a glass of water; accepted their apology. (past tense)
Like you said: we all make mistakes! Clearly...
Excepted: With the exclusion of; other than; but: everyone except me. (past tense)
Accepted: To receive (something offered), especially with gladness or approval: accepted a glass of water; accepted their apology. (past tense)
Like you said: we all make mistakes! Clearly...
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Until....
the day you've got something wrong at altitude (or FL for the airline A to B and back and again and again and agian bus driver purists) ...with nowhere to go...and by the techical knowledge of your machine (and techical 'dirty hands' experience) you will know (hopefully) EXACTLY what's happening and how to...and how far...to handle it. Ever helped an AME change plugs, magnetos, tyres, brakes, JPT sensors etc???? Usually, knowing what's cutting under the cowling, might save your butt, and those of the pax getting "from A to B". Truth is, sometimes (sadly) nothing helps...but as the saying goes...Sh!t happens. You can never know too much...
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Tech knowledge could have dave Air Peru 757 when they had static vents blocked by tape. remember that one? Crew asked ATC their Altitude. Info came from the radar screen from the Aircraft Transponder which came from the Air Data Computer which got it's info from the blocked statics. Basic basic basic knowledge for every pilot and ATC? One would think so but was not the case.
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My goodness DEOne, we are serious today, aren't we? Calm down, it was only for (as Mr AD Powers puts it) sh1ts and giggles. No-one doubts that you attended a talk by Capt Gaynes.
But it was only after the "enough of the wondering" comment that I knew where you were coming from. I'm glad you got the "excepted" bit. Lighten up a tad and I'll include myself next time in accepting your apology. Be careful though, you've already exceeded your lifetime quota by making ONE mistake...
But it was only after the "enough of the wondering" comment that I knew where you were coming from. I'm glad you got the "excepted" bit. Lighten up a tad and I'll include myself next time in accepting your apology. Be careful though, you've already exceeded your lifetime quota by making ONE mistake...
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If you cannot join the thread based upon the topic at hand, why bother lowering the tone of the conversation at the expense of of those trying to make a sensible contribution? Somebody here raised an issue regarding technical knowledge in aviation, and in all of your replies to this thread, you've not bothered to address that issue at all.
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Dumpvalve? Yeah, seems apt!
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Dumpvalve? Yeah, seems apt!
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A very wise man once told me that a good pilot must know everything about his A/C that he can actually do something about in the cockpit (directly or indirectly), knowing all the extras are a bonus. Dont even attemt getting into an A/C if you do not know what to do if you have system failure and what the aftermath of the failure will entail and what you can do to remedy, work around it.
Another wise man told me (as I`m sure lots of you guys would have heard aswell from the same wise man) is that knowledge is the only seperating factor between pilots these days.
If you have a comm or ATP you can obviously fly and not kill yourself or the A/C, so what seperates the good from the great ?? KNOWLEDGE
Theres nothing you can do when an HP pump says goodbuy in flight, and knowing what pressure the fuel USED to be pumped through surely seems like useless info, but its still nice to know though...
Fly safe
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Another wise man told me (as I`m sure lots of you guys would have heard aswell from the same wise man) is that knowledge is the only seperating factor between pilots these days.
If you have a comm or ATP you can obviously fly and not kill yourself or the A/C, so what seperates the good from the great ?? KNOWLEDGE
Theres nothing you can do when an HP pump says goodbuy in flight, and knowing what pressure the fuel USED to be pumped through surely seems like useless info, but its still nice to know though...
Fly safe
BW
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Before DEOne reports me to the headmaster, I'd better address the issue.
In theory, I agree with Zoltan - professionally, you'd be doing yourself and the industry a disservice by not knowing all you could about your aircraft.
In practice, does it matter that you know more (or less) than the next person? Probably not. As Zoltan also stated - with an ATP you have achieved an acceptable standard and therefore should be able to fly.
Let's take it one step further: Armed with your ATP, you get a job with a reputable company that has a seniority list. Do you care that the person one place below you was a test pilot with Airbus or Boeing and could put you in the shade on matters technical? As long as you hold up your end of the bargain and perform proficiently, it matters not a jot.
Moral of the story? Spend less time counting bolts and more time positioning yourself for a meaningful career in the industry.
In theory, I agree with Zoltan - professionally, you'd be doing yourself and the industry a disservice by not knowing all you could about your aircraft.
In practice, does it matter that you know more (or less) than the next person? Probably not. As Zoltan also stated - with an ATP you have achieved an acceptable standard and therefore should be able to fly.
Let's take it one step further: Armed with your ATP, you get a job with a reputable company that has a seniority list. Do you care that the person one place below you was a test pilot with Airbus or Boeing and could put you in the shade on matters technical? As long as you hold up your end of the bargain and perform proficiently, it matters not a jot.
Moral of the story? Spend less time counting bolts and more time positioning yourself for a meaningful career in the industry.
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Hah! Sense. Thanks. Particulary after the (withdrawn) self-degrading statement regarding my butt (not so bad in my wife's opinion and yes, I do have one ((butt and wife)) worthy of mention) here.
Having said as much, I agree with all said above by Dumpvalve except; (yes, there is one) the moral of the story. In my opinion (and that alone) the moral of the story is that pilots are better off learning more (albeit to do with technical matters) about their machines, preparing for the worst and spending more time qualifying in those other areas of aviation than they are b!tching about their predicament.
Having said as much, I agree with all said above by Dumpvalve except; (yes, there is one) the moral of the story. In my opinion (and that alone) the moral of the story is that pilots are better off learning more (albeit to do with technical matters) about their machines, preparing for the worst and spending more time qualifying in those other areas of aviation than they are b!tching about their predicament.
