Rossair : Turbine DC3 ZS-OJI
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Hmmmm....only wanting facts is certainly a novel idea, but then we'd need to change the name to PPFaNe!!
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Hey Grizzly,
I'm sure you didn't expect so many replies to your, shall I say, silly rumour spreading.
But then again, you've probably never flown a taildragger.
Twitchy buggers at the best of times and then lets add wet, short runways.
You do this for a living and don't bend anything, and then return to spread your wisdom on PPrune.
(where's that wheel when you need it?)
I'm sure you didn't expect so many replies to your, shall I say, silly rumour spreading.
But then again, you've probably never flown a taildragger.
Twitchy buggers at the best of times and then lets add wet, short runways.
You do this for a living and don't bend anything, and then return to spread your wisdom on PPrune.
(where's that wheel when you need it?)
Join Date: Apr 2003
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Yeah,the P2 of the dak that didnt quite make a perfect landing, will shortly (has already) joined another DC3TP operator,where, I can safely say,the guys get paid (more) and on time ,and the machine is well maintained.
To all you "Tossair" prune'rs out there ,there is more to life than batting for that team!!
Balloobear sits on his rock and waits for incomming.......
To all you "Tossair" prune'rs out there ,there is more to life than batting for that team!!
Balloobear sits on his rock and waits for incomming.......
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So Baloo,
who are you batting for, or maybe you are putting (from the rough it sounds like)
In case anyone is not sure about the batting order, it's ROSSAIR, no tossing about and they are like you imply, not the best.
If you intend to do contract work, and get stuffed around, (part of the deal offcourse), then do it with the guys who do it right. (dare I say cockpit flows and SOP's, and the odd airline that recognizes the fact)
I'll take my chances and you do the same and maybe we will share a cockpit one day.
(shotgun on the left seat)
who are you batting for, or maybe you are putting (from the rough it sounds like)
In case anyone is not sure about the batting order, it's ROSSAIR, no tossing about and they are like you imply, not the best.
If you intend to do contract work, and get stuffed around, (part of the deal offcourse), then do it with the guys who do it right. (dare I say cockpit flows and SOP's, and the odd airline that recognizes the fact)
I'll take my chances and you do the same and maybe we will share a cockpit one day.
(shotgun on the left seat)
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Hit a Cow and fly the next day without a major inspection!!! Both crew members had a Cavalier attitude towards safety and in the real world would have had their tickets pulled. FYI Grizzly has more time on DAKs than any one else on this thread!!!!!
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Hey to all you that want to slag Rossair ! They are the best contracting company to work for! Great folk best bunch off people I have come to know ! I am glad I dont have to work with okes like Balloo anyway there is no space for people like that at Rossair so we are haappy not to have you with us !!
Viva Rossair !!!!
Tt
Viva Rossair !!!!
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The crews are what keep Rossair going. If you want to advance there is a certain amount of rectal kissing involved and the guys know it. Those who do, get ahead and those who don't move on. The slaggers are mainly those who chose not to kiss 
and moved on or those who have stood outside and looked in and not liked what they've seen. Those still in who disagree with policy tend to keep stumm until they can move on.....
It's a fact of contract flying.
and moved on or those who have stood outside and looked in and not liked what they've seen. Those still in who disagree with policy tend to keep stumm until they can move on.....It's a fact of contract flying.
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Contract flying is still in its infancy compared to charter flying & contract companies are still on the learning curve, that applies to all contract companies, yes some are better than others BUT the bottom line is, it is the people and their attitudes that contribute to a "good" or a "bad" contract company. No person is perfect, no pilot, no company and no management, there is always a bad apple in the bunch, but that does not mean that you can generalise about anybody or any company because of one bad apple! Who cares how many hours Grizzly has on Daks .... Dak flying is not an exact science and I am sure Grizzly himself has done a ground loop or two! It is all part of the learning experience. How do expect to get good experienced Dak drivers without them getting EXPERIENCE from flying, making mistakes and here's a novel thought actually learning from them?
So to all of you out there quick to criticise pilots (Was that for us?) and run down companies (Balloo thebear & Piesang) - shut it, everyone has faults yourselves included! The Rossair Dak crews are doing an awesome job in treacherous conditions and for the 2 incidents that they have had in 2 years how many hundreds or thousands of safe landings have they had?
Put that in your pipe I say!
So to all of you out there quick to criticise pilots (Was that for us?) and run down companies (Balloo thebear & Piesang) - shut it, everyone has faults yourselves included! The Rossair Dak crews are doing an awesome job in treacherous conditions and for the 2 incidents that they have had in 2 years how many hundreds or thousands of safe landings have they had?
Put that in your pipe I say!
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Just wondering is the safety taking a bit of a spiral here:
2 x DC-3 incidents in Sudan in the past 12 months, yes tricky bastard to fly in tricky conditions.
1 X Twotter on its belly also in Sudan about 3-4 weeks ago. Any body have more info on this.
KA200 lost engine in Afghanistan, guys flew 1.5 hours on one engine only to land in near minima conditons. Any info on this.
All operated by Rossair. Sure the AID guys are not sleeping too well.
Understand they have now outsourced the maintenance seems like a bad idea !
Is this true and who is doing it ?
2 x DC-3 incidents in Sudan in the past 12 months, yes tricky bastard to fly in tricky conditions.
1 X Twotter on its belly also in Sudan about 3-4 weeks ago. Any body have more info on this.
KA200 lost engine in Afghanistan, guys flew 1.5 hours on one engine only to land in near minima conditons. Any info on this.
All operated by Rossair. Sure the AID guys are not sleeping too well.
Understand they have now outsourced the maintenance seems like a bad idea !
Is this true and who is doing it ?
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To those that havent been there...
Well,
Good to see those that have been there, dealt with OLS, 'wet and landable', and aid workers wanting to get out, had a tusker at Tango Mike ( and yes, the expanded pool is nice....), good to see the support and appreciation for the difficulty involved.
For those that havent been there, I won't tell you to shut up and go away - but I would like to say that conditions at those so-called 'airstrips' are beyond anything you will have encountered in sunny SA, or indeed at any tar or dirt strip you have likely encountered. They cannot be judged by a flyover, and they are, in my opinion, the most challenging airstrips you will encounter in your career. Landing a 737 etc on a nice tar runway just doesnt hack it - I did a 120 degree spin around the other day, used forward thrust to stop! Thats how slippery they can be. And the muddy ones - been stuck once or twice. Frankly its unavoidable. If you think that youre too skilled to have things like that happen to you, then obviously I just can't tell you anything, but for the realistic ones out there - don't make judgements too quickly, wait till you've been exposed to those conditions first.
Good to see those that have been there, dealt with OLS, 'wet and landable', and aid workers wanting to get out, had a tusker at Tango Mike ( and yes, the expanded pool is nice....), good to see the support and appreciation for the difficulty involved.
For those that havent been there, I won't tell you to shut up and go away - but I would like to say that conditions at those so-called 'airstrips' are beyond anything you will have encountered in sunny SA, or indeed at any tar or dirt strip you have likely encountered. They cannot be judged by a flyover, and they are, in my opinion, the most challenging airstrips you will encounter in your career. Landing a 737 etc on a nice tar runway just doesnt hack it - I did a 120 degree spin around the other day, used forward thrust to stop! Thats how slippery they can be. And the muddy ones - been stuck once or twice. Frankly its unavoidable. If you think that youre too skilled to have things like that happen to you, then obviously I just can't tell you anything, but for the realistic ones out there - don't make judgements too quickly, wait till you've been exposed to those conditions first.
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Snot Surfing club, hmmm. Apt description, however disgusting it sounds!
As to apportioning blame - I just wouldn't. Not because I wasn't there, or because I don't know all the details (haven't caught up with the crew involved yet) - but because it's just not going to achieve anything. If I was the accident investigator or an insurance claims reviewer, then maybe there would be some point to me speculating - right now there isn't, so I don't bother. I just try and file it away, in case I encounter something similiar.
To make judgements on the state of an entire company based on these events, when not even knowing the complete background seems premature, and pointless. Quite frankly, the pilots I have dealt with from Rossair, are mostly top class - I have no reason to doubt their abilities now, especially knowing the conditions that all pilots landing in Sudan face.
As to apportioning blame - I just wouldn't. Not because I wasn't there, or because I don't know all the details (haven't caught up with the crew involved yet) - but because it's just not going to achieve anything. If I was the accident investigator or an insurance claims reviewer, then maybe there would be some point to me speculating - right now there isn't, so I don't bother. I just try and file it away, in case I encounter something similiar.
To make judgements on the state of an entire company based on these events, when not even knowing the complete background seems premature, and pointless. Quite frankly, the pilots I have dealt with from Rossair, are mostly top class - I have no reason to doubt their abilities now, especially knowing the conditions that all pilots landing in Sudan face.
