ZIMbobWE seizes US cargo Plane and Mercenaries
Many thanks for that Gunship,
I would just like to add that the prison officials are pretty good, all my parcels have got through.
Cigarettes can also be sent, and these are useful for bartering.
I would also suggest things like, dark coloured hand towels, grey socks, toothpaste in plastic tubes, toothbrushes, medicated soap and packets of instant soup prove quite popular. Also mineral and vitamen tablets.
I would just like to add that the prison officials are pretty good, all my parcels have got through.
Cigarettes can also be sent, and these are useful for bartering.
I would also suggest things like, dark coloured hand towels, grey socks, toothpaste in plastic tubes, toothbrushes, medicated soap and packets of instant soup prove quite popular. Also mineral and vitamen tablets.
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Thanx Gunns
Thanx for the info Gunns. Not sure how you always have FOP but appreciate it. I return to RS of A next week Tue and will definately put something together for those I know.
Till then hocks to yre partner in crime and all his kids and I hope all is well. Always looking if you know anything!
Chow.
Till then hocks to yre partner in crime and all his kids and I hope all is well. Always looking if you know anything!
Chow.
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Louis du Preez
Thanks for the support guys.
Another special request.
It is Louis du Preez's birthday the 19th of Novemember.
However small - pse send him something.
His (twin) bro will at least be with him on the 19th.
Cheers and many thanks again all
Gunss
Another special request.
It is Louis du Preez's birthday the 19th of Novemember.
However small - pse send him something.
His (twin) bro will at least be with him on the 19th.
Cheers and many thanks again all
Gunss
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Death Penalty Asked for in EG ....
From IOLMalabo - Equatorial Guinea's state prosecutor demanded the death penalty on Thursday for a South African on trial in sub-Saharan Africa's third-biggest oil producer on charges of plotting to topple its president.
Summing up the case against 19 suspected mercenaries, state prosecutor Jose Olo Obono said the team was working for an international web of financiers seeking to put exiled politician Severo Moto in power.
Equatorial Guinea says the plot to oust President Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo was organised by Simon Mann, a former British special forces officer who was jailed by Zimbabwe in August on charges related to the alleged coup.
Obono told the court he wanted the death penalty both for South African Nick du Toit, who was in court flanked by four armed guards with his hands and feet shackled, and for Moto, who lives in Spain and is being tried in absentia.
Fourteen people, including Mark Thatcher, the son of former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, are listed in court documents read out by Obono as alleged financiers of the plot.
Thatcher is accused of stumping up $275 000 (about R1,6-million). Lebanese oil tycoon Eli Calil is alleged to have contributed $750 000 and a number of other British businessmen are included in the list handed out in the Malabo court.
Thatcher, however, has not been charged by Equatorial Guinea and the central African country has not yet decided whether to extradite him from South Africa, where he is on trial for his alleged role in the plot. He and Calil have denied any involvement.
Du Toit was the only man on trial in Equatorial Guinea to admit involvement in the alleged plot but he retracted his confession on Tuesday when the trial resumed after an 11-week break to let prosecutors gather more evidence.
The South African said he had been tortured and confessed only to save his life. But in his summing up, Obono rejected any allegations of mistreatment, saying all the prisoners' rights had been respected.
"Any statement to the contrary... is not admissible in this trial," he told the court.
Obono called for seven other South Africans on trial to be sentenced to 86 years each and for six Armenians to serve 26 years each. He dropped charges against three Equatorial Guineans but asked for terms of 62 and 42 years for two others.
Eight members of Moto's so-called government in exile in the Spanish capital, Madrid, also being tried in absentia, each faced terms of 102 years.
Defence lawyers for the South Africans, Moto and his exiled government, the Armenians and the Equatorial Guineans were due to make their pleas on Thursday afternoon.
Summing up the case against 19 suspected mercenaries, state prosecutor Jose Olo Obono said the team was working for an international web of financiers seeking to put exiled politician Severo Moto in power.
Equatorial Guinea says the plot to oust President Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo was organised by Simon Mann, a former British special forces officer who was jailed by Zimbabwe in August on charges related to the alleged coup.
Obono told the court he wanted the death penalty both for South African Nick du Toit, who was in court flanked by four armed guards with his hands and feet shackled, and for Moto, who lives in Spain and is being tried in absentia.
Fourteen people, including Mark Thatcher, the son of former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, are listed in court documents read out by Obono as alleged financiers of the plot.
Thatcher is accused of stumping up $275 000 (about R1,6-million). Lebanese oil tycoon Eli Calil is alleged to have contributed $750 000 and a number of other British businessmen are included in the list handed out in the Malabo court.
Thatcher, however, has not been charged by Equatorial Guinea and the central African country has not yet decided whether to extradite him from South Africa, where he is on trial for his alleged role in the plot. He and Calil have denied any involvement.
Du Toit was the only man on trial in Equatorial Guinea to admit involvement in the alleged plot but he retracted his confession on Tuesday when the trial resumed after an 11-week break to let prosecutors gather more evidence.
The South African said he had been tortured and confessed only to save his life. But in his summing up, Obono rejected any allegations of mistreatment, saying all the prisoners' rights had been respected.
"Any statement to the contrary... is not admissible in this trial," he told the court.
Obono called for seven other South Africans on trial to be sentenced to 86 years each and for six Armenians to serve 26 years each. He dropped charges against three Equatorial Guineans but asked for terms of 62 and 42 years for two others.
Eight members of Moto's so-called government in exile in the Spanish capital, Madrid, also being tried in absentia, each faced terms of 102 years.
Defence lawyers for the South Africans, Moto and his exiled government, the Armenians and the Equatorial Guineans were due to make their pleas on Thursday afternoon.
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South African Nick du Toit has been sentenced by a court in Equatorial Guinea to 63 years in jail for playing a key role in a plot to oust President Teodoro Obiang Nguema.
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34 years I read on http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/af...eut/index.html
and 3 South Africans freed, others got 17 years.
6 Armenians in prison as well, wonder if there´s a Lebanese connection there (many Armenians in Lebanon).
and 3 South Africans freed, others got 17 years.
6 Armenians in prison as well, wonder if there´s a Lebanese connection there (many Armenians in Lebanon).
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Sorry mate - this was a News 24 "Breaking News Alert" that I copied.
I saw later that the sentence was "not as harsh"
Absolute crazy !
I saw later that the sentence was "not as harsh"
Absolute crazy !
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Zim 64 set to appeal sentences
News24:
Zim 64 set to appeal sentences
14/12/2004
Harare - A group of 64 alleged mercenaries being held in Harare's Chikurubi Prison could appeal their sentences to Zimbabwe's High Court this week, their lawyers said on Tuesday.
A spokesperson for a Harare legal firm, Byron Venturas, said the company was waiting for the return to Zimbabwe of lawyer Jonathan Samkange. He was out of the country.
"The matter is due to be heard in the Supreme Court this week, that's all I can say," the spokesperson said.
The 64 men, who were convicted on minor immigration and aviation laws for landing illegally in Zimbabwe, were allegedly en route to Equatorial Guinea to carry out a coup to oust President Teodoro Obiang Nguema.
All 64 denied any knowledge of the mission, claiming they were going to the Democratic Republic of Congo to guard mining operations.
Meanwhile, the spokesperson for Byron Venturas said the alleged mercenaries thought their sentences were "too harsh" when the law provided for small fines for their offences.
British-born Simon Mann was convicted for illegally purchasing firearms and sentenced to seven years in prison.
There has been no word as to whether he will appeal his sentence.
14/12/2004
Harare - A group of 64 alleged mercenaries being held in Harare's Chikurubi Prison could appeal their sentences to Zimbabwe's High Court this week, their lawyers said on Tuesday.
A spokesperson for a Harare legal firm, Byron Venturas, said the company was waiting for the return to Zimbabwe of lawyer Jonathan Samkange. He was out of the country.
"The matter is due to be heard in the Supreme Court this week, that's all I can say," the spokesperson said.
The 64 men, who were convicted on minor immigration and aviation laws for landing illegally in Zimbabwe, were allegedly en route to Equatorial Guinea to carry out a coup to oust President Teodoro Obiang Nguema.
All 64 denied any knowledge of the mission, claiming they were going to the Democratic Republic of Congo to guard mining operations.
Meanwhile, the spokesperson for Byron Venturas said the alleged mercenaries thought their sentences were "too harsh" when the law provided for small fines for their offences.
British-born Simon Mann was convicted for illegally purchasing firearms and sentenced to seven years in prison.
There has been no word as to whether he will appeal his sentence.
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Hi all. I just read this article in the Bussines Day and thought it was interesting
Thatcher tested copter
A claim that Mark Thatcher tested a helicopter with the
knowledge that it would be used in the coup plot in Equatorial
Guinea has emerged. "The allegations come from pilot Crause
Steyl, who pleaded guilty under a plea-bargain deal to his role in
the coup attempt in November 2004 under the Foreign Military
Assistance Act."
A claim that Mark Thatcher tested a helicopter with the
knowledge that it would be used in the coup plot in Equatorial
Guinea has emerged. "The allegations come from pilot Crause
Steyl, who pleaded guilty under a plea-bargain deal to his role in
the coup attempt in November 2004 under the Foreign Military
Assistance Act."
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Sounds Like BS to me. Im betting someone offered Mark a chance to log some time in a Helicopter, which 99% of all Pilots would jump on a chance like that..
"Crause Steyl" is probably trying to save his ass and would give up Nuclear Secrets to get off the hook.
Tell me Im wrong.......and why.
"Crause Steyl" is probably trying to save his ass and would give up Nuclear Secrets to get off the hook.
Tell me Im wrong.......and why.
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Hi "B"
Maybe the wording of "Thatcher tested" should have read "Thatcher had a heli tested". Similar but not exactly the same meaning.
I do know of an Alo 3 with a hardened floor (get the message) which was tested for this event.
Anyway my good wishes are still with those behind bars. Can't be nice. Did send them a Christmas parcel - who knows if they received it?
Keep up the good posts.
Thanx
Maybe the wording of "Thatcher tested" should have read "Thatcher had a heli tested". Similar but not exactly the same meaning.
I do know of an Alo 3 with a hardened floor (get the message) which was tested for this event.
Anyway my good wishes are still with those behind bars. Can't be nice. Did send them a Christmas parcel - who knows if they received it?
Keep up the good posts.
Thanx
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AND in the Pretoria News Today!
Here today is another interesting article.
Highlights quote
Oh Dear Mark.
Highlights quote
Fingers point at Thatcher
Three South African mercenaries have agreed to be prosecution
witnesses in the trial of Mark Thatcher. They allege that Thatcher
was involved in the plot to overthrow the president of Equatorial
Guinea.
Three South African mercenaries have agreed to be prosecution
witnesses in the trial of Mark Thatcher. They allege that Thatcher
was involved in the plot to overthrow the president of Equatorial
Guinea.
Captain Pheremone
Anyway my good wishes are still with those behind bars. Can't be nice. Did send them a Christmas parcel - who knows if they received it?
Thanks for your efforts
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"Three South African mercenaries have agreed to be prosecution
witnesses in the trial of Mark Thatcher."
I think if I was in jail in Zimboonland, I would agree that Mother Goose was telling the truth, that there was a Fairy God Mother, and always a Pot of Gold at the end of a Rainbow.............AND anything else they wanted to hear.
witnesses in the trial of Mark Thatcher."
I think if I was in jail in Zimboonland, I would agree that Mother Goose was telling the truth, that there was a Fairy God Mother, and always a Pot of Gold at the end of a Rainbow.............AND anything else they wanted to hear.
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Hello all
Also just heard that Mark Thatcher will plead guilty for unwittingly bankrolling the plot to overthrow the government of EG.
Will post more as it becomes available.
One question though, I wonder wether the whole plot will now be thrown open?
Also just heard that Mark Thatcher will plead guilty for unwittingly bankrolling the plot to overthrow the government of EG.
Will post more as it becomes available.
One question though, I wonder wether the whole plot will now be thrown open?
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And the latest
According to sabc TV, Mark Thatcher has reached and agreement with the SA government, whereby he will plead guilty to unwittingly bankrolling the failed coup attempt in EG. According to the deal he will be fined three million rand and handed down a five year suspended sentence. He will also not be extradited to EG and he will be allowed to leave the country and join his family in the United States.
Nice one. Unfortunately the guys in the foreign jails were never given the chance to negotiate a deal with the SA government.
Enjoy the states SIR MARK.
Nice one. Unfortunately the guys in the foreign jails were never given the chance to negotiate a deal with the SA government.
Enjoy the states SIR MARK.
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Looks like Thabo's taking lessons from Mad Bob. First the attack on the judiciary to remind them who's boss and now a soft negotiated settlement for some rich bloke so they can point at him when they let Shaik off and say "Fair's fair!". Suppose Zuma won't even see the inside of a court... 
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Makes me think..?
This post may be controversial and the mods must and have to act as they see fit. As for the line of fire and the crossfire I am getting myself into...let rip. Please note...this is not a pro-Boeremag posting, I'm only using it argumentatively.
A couple of cases in SA for transgressing the "Foreign Military Assistance Act"...including that of Scratch, sorry, Sir Mark Thatcher.
A case in Zimbabwe for attempting to purchase firearms without authority or for attempting to purchase firearams to illegally support a coup in another African country...
A case in Zimbabwe for transgressing aviation and immigation laws...
A case in Equatorial Guinnea for plotting a coup...
A case in SA (for or against, depends on where you stand) about the foreign arms deal...
A rapist, murderer, armed robber (with aggrivating circumstances) gets bail in SA, the Boeremag members don't (and make no mistake, I think these Boeremag groupies needs help, badly..!)...
The moral of the story...in EG they are "found" guilty and sentenced, in Zimbabwe they are "found" guilty and sentenced, the rapists, murderers etc in SA get bail. Out of sight...out of mind...and no threat to the SA Government, or SA Government officials. The Government officials have enough bodyguards to keep rapists, murderers etc at bay, not like the SA man in the street.
The plea bargains in SA is interesting...no court case...no facts. The same for the Boeremag, no bail. Why I ask???
Because the SA Government (and it's officials) may see the Boeremag as a threat? Maybe the possible transgression of the Foreign Military Assistance Act by some SA citizens may also pose a threat to the SA Government, should the accused talk...? That's what all the plea bargains in SA seems to be telling me.
Is there something the SA Government knows (hides?) that we don't know? Just asking.
A couple of cases in SA for transgressing the "Foreign Military Assistance Act"...including that of Scratch, sorry, Sir Mark Thatcher.
A case in Zimbabwe for attempting to purchase firearms without authority or for attempting to purchase firearams to illegally support a coup in another African country...
A case in Zimbabwe for transgressing aviation and immigation laws...
A case in Equatorial Guinnea for plotting a coup...
A case in SA (for or against, depends on where you stand) about the foreign arms deal...
A rapist, murderer, armed robber (with aggrivating circumstances) gets bail in SA, the Boeremag members don't (and make no mistake, I think these Boeremag groupies needs help, badly..!)...
The moral of the story...in EG they are "found" guilty and sentenced, in Zimbabwe they are "found" guilty and sentenced, the rapists, murderers etc in SA get bail. Out of sight...out of mind...and no threat to the SA Government, or SA Government officials. The Government officials have enough bodyguards to keep rapists, murderers etc at bay, not like the SA man in the street.
The plea bargains in SA is interesting...no court case...no facts. The same for the Boeremag, no bail. Why I ask???
Because the SA Government (and it's officials) may see the Boeremag as a threat? Maybe the possible transgression of the Foreign Military Assistance Act by some SA citizens may also pose a threat to the SA Government, should the accused talk...? That's what all the plea bargains in SA seems to be telling me.
Is there something the SA Government knows (hides?) that we don't know? Just asking.