Antonov 2 crash in Sweden with full Video
According with swedish local media only with minor injuries for both pilot and pax.
Sweden reg SE-KCE, private ops. An hell of a clip indeed... https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=20230708-0 |
Honestly, what were they thinking...
It is one thing that the An-200 needs about 200m to get airborne, and another thing to clear 50ft trees at the end of that 200m. |
Is it my hearing but does the power reduce at 0.12?
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It apears to but I think that's just doppler effect.
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Originally Posted by VictorGolf
(Post 11464951)
Is it my hearing but does the power reduce at 0.12?
With only five on board I would have thought it should have been off the ground in yards, that looked quite protracted. |
Grass looks a bit long........
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Comments are missing some basic flying skills stuff here.
Lifted the tail, propeller theory dictates precession induced yaw, propeller theory dictates asymmetrical downward force and therefore drag on the main undercarriage more yaw and at this stage may be below Vmcg and Vmca so flying controls are not effective and putting any control movements just increases drag exacerbating the problem. Getting airborne too slow with big control inputs and flying sideways will never work as the a/c is below Vmca with extra drag from flying sideways and large control deflections it just gets worse with every attempt to correct. Basic error may have been that he drifted left, could not control it so decided to get airborne and fly to the right which was never going to work because of what I have written above. |
No expertise here but is this the full extent of flaps on the AN-2 ?
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Originally Posted by andrasz
(Post 11464793)
Honestly, what were they thinking...
It is one thing that the An-200 needs about 200m to get airborne, and another thing to clear 50ft trees at the end of that 200m. |
This seems to be the place in the video:
google.com/maps/@58.0500258,12.818985,3a,52y,319.34h,83.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sH1VZOkLx2Y6JQlU-xjx-Vw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=sv-SE&entry=ttu |
Originally Posted by denka
(Post 11465083)
This seems to be the place in the video:
google.com/maps/@58.0500258,12.818985,3a,52y,319.34h,83.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sH1VZOkLx2Y6JQlU-xjx-Vw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=sv-SE&entry=ttu |
Originally Posted by denka
(Post 11465083)
This seems to be the place in the video:
google.com/maps/@58.0500258,12.818985,3a,52y,319.34h,83.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sH1VZOkLx2Y6JQlU-xjx-Vw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=sv-SE&entry=ttu https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3d04b36d61.jpg |
The video looks to be filmed from the gravel parking area near "181" in the above image. On Google Street View it looks like the field ramps up before descending after the rectangular road sign.
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Involved Pilot/Plane owner seems to own the very small so called "Kattleberg Airport".
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Originally Posted by denka
(Post 11465135)
Involved Pilot/Plane owner seems to own the very small so called "Kattleberg Airport".
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Looks a lot like adverse yaw - tried to bank hard to the right, but the additional drag on the left wing steered left, followed probably by more desperate aileron input and the ever appealing "Pull back to go up" attempt. The rudder never compensated for the yaw.
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Originally Posted by Miles Magister
(Post 11465033)
Comments are missing some basic flying skills stuff here.
Lifted the tail, propeller theory dictates precession induced yaw, propeller theory dictates asymmetrical downward force and therefore drag on the main undercarriage more yaw and at this stage may be below Vmcg and Vmca so flying controls are not effective and putting any control movements just increases drag exacerbating the problem. Getting airborne too slow with big control inputs and flying sideways will never work as the a/c is below Vmca with extra drag from flying sideways and large control deflections it just gets worse with every attempt to correct. Basic error may have been that he drifted left, could not control it so decided to get airborne and fly to the right which was never going to work because of what I have written above. |
Originally Posted by roundsounds
(Post 11465805)
very impressive explanation, however Vmca and Vmcg are only applicable to multi-engine airplanes.
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some single engine aircraft are not controllable at full power on the ground below a certain speed due to limited rudder authority |
Originally Posted by EXDAC
(Post 11465861)
I was going to make the same comment and to include that the engines had to be mounted off center line. I stopped myself because some single engine aircraft are not controllable at full power on the ground below a certain speed due to limited rudder authority. I didn't know what V speed (if any) defined that. Anyone know?
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