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Old 10th Jul 2023, 02:03
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Antonov 2 crash in Sweden with full Video

According with swedish local media only with minor injuries for both pilot and pax.

Sweden reg SE-KCE, private ops.

An hell of a clip indeed...



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Honestly, what were they thinking...
It is one thing that the An-200 needs about 200m to get airborne, and another thing to clear 50ft trees at the end of that 200m.
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Is it my hearing but does the power reduce at 0.12?
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It apears to but I think that's just doppler effect.
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Originally Posted by VictorGolf
Is it my hearing but does the power reduce at 0.12?
Sounds like a fairly typical recording to me, no noticeable power drop that I can detect.

With only five on board I would have thought it should have been off the ground in yards, that looked quite protracted.
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Grass looks a bit long........
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Comments are missing some basic flying skills stuff here.
Lifted the tail, propeller theory dictates precession induced yaw, propeller theory dictates asymmetrical downward force and therefore drag on the main undercarriage more yaw and at this stage may be below Vmcg and Vmca so flying controls are not effective and putting any control movements just increases drag exacerbating the problem. Getting airborne too slow with big control inputs and flying sideways will never work as the a/c is below Vmca with extra drag from flying sideways and large control deflections it just gets worse with every attempt to correct. Basic error may have been that he drifted left, could not control it so decided to get airborne and fly to the right which was never going to work because of what I have written above.
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No expertise here but is this the full extent of flaps on the AN-2 ?
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Originally Posted by andrasz
Honestly, what were they thinking...
It is one thing that the An-200 needs about 200m to get airborne, and another thing to clear 50ft trees at the end of that 200m.
Were the tall trees at the end of the airstrip or at the side of the airstrip My impression was that the aircraft drifted left into trees at the side. Anyone here know that strip?
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This seems to be the place in the video:
google.com/maps/@58.0500258,12.818985,3a,52y,319.34h,83.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sH1VZOkLx2Y6JQlU-xjx-Vw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=sv-SE&entry=ttu
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Originally Posted by denka
This seems to be the place in the video:
google.com/maps/@58.0500258,12.818985,3a,52y,319.34h,83.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sH1VZOkLx2Y6JQlU-xjx-Vw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=sv-SE&entry=ttu
It certainly seems to be. So why were they trying to take off from a random field which is at best 400m long, and not the nice smooth tarmac of the airport 1km away?
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Originally Posted by denka
This seems to be the place in the video:
google.com/maps/@58.0500258,12.818985,3a,52y,319.34h,83.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sH1VZOkLx2Y6JQlU-xjx-Vw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=sv-SE&entry=ttu
Thanks. I extracted the lat long and looked at the area in GE with an image time that may be similar vegetation:





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The video looks to be filmed from the gravel parking area near "181" in the above image. On Google Street View it looks like the field ramps up before descending after the rectangular road sign.
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Involved Pilot/Plane owner seems to own the very small so called "Kattleberg Airport".
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Originally Posted by denka
Involved Pilot/Plane owner seems to own the very small so called "Kattleberg Airport".
Ok, but, that's not where the accident is reported to have happened. AG4850 is about 41 km WSW of the assumed accident site. The Antonov may be parked on the ramp in the GE 10/2021 image.
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Looks a lot like adverse yaw - tried to bank hard to the right, but the additional drag on the left wing steered left, followed probably by more desperate aileron input and the ever appealing "Pull back to go up" attempt. The rudder never compensated for the yaw.
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Originally Posted by Miles Magister
Comments are missing some basic flying skills stuff here.
Lifted the tail, propeller theory dictates precession induced yaw, propeller theory dictates asymmetrical downward force and therefore drag on the main undercarriage more yaw and at this stage may be below Vmcg and Vmca so flying controls are not effective and putting any control movements just increases drag exacerbating the problem. Getting airborne too slow with big control inputs and flying sideways will never work as the a/c is below Vmca with extra drag from flying sideways and large control deflections it just gets worse with every attempt to correct. Basic error may have been that he drifted left, could not control it so decided to get airborne and fly to the right which was never going to work because of what I have written above.
very impressive explanation, however Vmca and Vmcg are only applicable to multi-engine airplanes.
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Originally Posted by roundsounds
very impressive explanation, however Vmca and Vmcg are only applicable to multi-engine airplanes.
I was going to make the same comment and to include that the engines had to be mounted off center line. I stopped myself because some single engine aircraft are not controllable at full power on the ground below a certain speed due to limited rudder authority. I didn't know what V speed (if any) defined that. Anyone know?
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some single engine aircraft are not controllable at full power on the ground below a certain speed due to limited rudder authority
The higher powered Spitfires were one such (Mk. XIV and XIX), unable to use full power for take off as the yaw had the ability to roll the tyres off the rims, even if you didn't go that far it caused severe tyre wear due to scrub, max recommended take off boost was 58% of that available.
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Originally Posted by EXDAC
I was going to make the same comment and to include that the engines had to be mounted off center line. I stopped myself because some single engine aircraft are not controllable at full power on the ground below a certain speed due to limited rudder authority. I didn't know what V speed (if any) defined that. Anyone know?
I used th multi engine terms to illustrate what you have said. The basic information indicates that flight was attempted before there was sufficient airspeed for effective use of controls. The terms refer to multi engine aircraft but hew principles apply to al aircraft.
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