Force landing, and they all walked away.
 

Forced landing at Salford, Manchester Plane crashes yards from M62 just after take-off from City Airport in Salford - Manchester Evening News

with three passengers on board ?

I'm certain everyone here is relieved that this accident only resulted in bent metal and hopefully light injuries........

But.... Take a look at this advert...

Flight Share ? Shares for sale | City Airport and Heliport

Then notice the registered owner on "G-INFO"

The Turks and Caicos Islands ?? A bit exotic for Eccles and Salford :rolleyes:

Very sad that the operator is now two Cherokees down in 4 years.

More like 4!
Airfield was closed yesterday due to being waterlogged, Glad to hear every one is ok.

"Airfield was closed yesterday due to being waterlogged, "
The Newspaper did say the plane "ditched" in the field.

A long time ago, an instructor transformed my attitude towards forced-landings when he told me:

Plus a 100+ litres of fuel that leaked in to a field.
From a WET grass runway.

Clicking that link, just now(09:30z 10/09) states that the advert is 'Pending, prior to approval' (or very similar). That suggests it has been pulled by someone, given the a/c in question is now u/s!

Doesn't appear to be archived but from memory yesterday it asked for a chunk of money up front (£2K ish) then you could fly X (20 ish) hours.

The name of the person involved would perhaps be familiar to people in the north-west.

Robert Murgatroyd is the owner of the Pa-28 involved in the Barton incident.

Google 'G-BBBK' and 'G-BBEF' for details of two previous fatal accidents to aircraft owned by Murgatroyd - he doesn't come across as a particularly responsible operator.

The name of the person involved would perhaps be familiar to people in the north-west.

Who I understand was also the pilot !

And familiar to the CAA too.

The next sentence will contain the words 'book' and 'throw'.

Some people are made of teflon !

wkipedia have this, note the date it ceased operating airline services! and is this the same company?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britis...hWest_Airlines

Non-locals might have missed seeing this:-
Man arrested following plane crash in Salford - Manchester Evening News

Jesus Excepted
 

Unless it is a literal ditching.;)

My only (partial) engine failure was in a floatplane :ok:

The Daily Mail says cost sharing the pilot must not be the owner of the plane. Is that right? I think if not the owner then the normal hire fee can also be shared. If the owner only direct costs can be shared.

R v. Murgatroyd
 

I can't find an AAIB report either - can't think that publication would have been delayed?

Quote: "Murgatroyd will be sentenced on March 15, and was granted bail".

Ah, so obviously no risk of flight, then.

He is a serial offender and in this case has been found guilty on all counts. From the CPS website:

https://www.cps.gov.uk/north-west/ne...mercial-flight

Notes to editors

• Robert Murgatroyd (DOB: 19 May 1966) was convicted of the following charges:
  • Endangering the safety of an aircraft
  • Endangering the safety of a person
  • Illegal public Transport
  • Flying otherwise than in accordance with a licence
  • Flying otherwise than in accordance with any conditions/limitations contained in the aircraft flight manual
  • Failure to comply with the insurance regulation
  • Flying without the aircraft flight manual

Most of the AAIB's investigations (other than high-profile ones that involve on-site presence) do not come into the public domain until the report is published, usually in one of their monthly bulletins.

While this one has taken longer to emerge than most, that's probably a by-product of the police involvement and the court case.

Hands up if you think the current application of "cost sharing" rules will shortly be taken out, dusted down and subjected to the same sort of compliance standards that are de rigueur in many other industries.

:ok:

Quite how it has been allowed to get to this position is beyond me. Or maybe certain "influencers" with their hands in the honey pot? But then I'm a confirmed cynic! ;)

Was this a Wingly flight?

I don't think so???

Plenty of info in the PF forum on another thread. Point is with two flights now splashed all over the media re "cost sharing", I suspect the CAA will have no choice but to wake up and get real. Once they have sorted out brexit, that is.

Quite. Although, I think I would be looking at the archaic relationship between flying clubs and flying schools, added to the commercial need for bucket-loads of lo-cost pilots, were I to be researching the current regulatory mish mash.

Does the CAA have any responsibility for the current cost-sharing rules? I thought they were EASA rules.

EASA creates the rules with all the stakeholders like the NAA's and other parties that want to have a say like AOPA, unions, etc. The delegated authority, reads in this case the UK CAA, is responsible for enforcement.

EASA are also supposed to do a financial impact analysis - try and get a copy of that - whilst you're there ask for a list of the AOC Holders, flying clubs and insurers that thought that "cost sharing", in it's current form, was a good idea.

The consultation was flawed in many ways - I didn't respond to the consultation because the "cost sharing" rule change was proposed to allow fellow pilots, club members and friends to share costs (nothing wrong with that I thought). The CAA wrote a great deal during the consultation and even well after the law was passed emphasising the "cost sharing" rules that I've just mentioned (I've got screenshots of all) - Suddenly, third party agents such as Wingly etc appeared employing PPLs to fly the general public who had bought flights and gift cards from their website - Gift cards can also be bought and given to people/third parties who had no idea (probably the same as the purchaser) what Cost sharing, PPLs etc etc all means. So like SALA they were unable to assess the safety aspects of the flight accurately for themselves i.e. whether they wished to take the risk associated with flying with someone who has 55 hours total time or with a commercially licensed AOC operation.

Sadly, it wasn't long before the CAA did a complete 180 by removing the advised restrictions and towing the EASA party line.

There are no EASA Rules. All Regulations came from the EC now the EU. Whilst changes to the rules can be acheived through the NPA process, the time taken to do so is excessive with 3-5 years being fairly normal and the end product often bears no resemblance to the initial proposal. DTOs being just one example.

Norman Stanley Murgatroyd, you have been found guilty of the charges brought by this court, and it is now my duty to pass sentence. You are an habitual criminal, who accepts crashing an aircraft as an occupational hazard, and presumably accepts imprisonment in the same casual manner. We therefore feel constrained to commit you for the maximum term allowed for these offences. You will go to prison for......(fill in the blank tomorrow)

Murgatroyd
 

Sentenced today for 3 1/2 years