I can't find an AAIB report either - can't think that publication would have been delayed?
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Originally Posted by treadigraph
(Post 10396275)
I can't find an AAIB report either - can't think that publication would have been delayed?
Is it possible the AAIB were never informed? Where no one is hurt it is usually down to the pilot to submit a report by post. |
Originally Posted by Mike Flynn
(Post 10396276)
Is it possible the AAIB were never informed?
Where no one is hurt it is usually down to the pilot to submit a report by post. Injuries were sustained, including broken ribs - see the link in your earlier post - and the accident is the subject of both AAIB and CAA investigations. |
Quote: "Murgatroyd will be sentenced on March 15, and was granted bail".
Ah, so obviously no risk of flight, then. |
Originally Posted by jolihokistix
(Post 10396310)
Quote: "Murgatroyd will be sentenced on March 15, and was granted bail".
Ah, so obviously no risk of flight, then. ....prohibited from piloting or co-piloting any aircraft. He was also ordered to live and sleep at his given address. |
He is a serial offender and in this case has been found guilty on all counts. From the CPS website:
https://www.cps.gov.uk/north-west/ne...mercial-flight |
The lack of any obvious AAIB involvement in this crash landing is somewhat strange given the non fatal injuries sustained. Perhaps RM did notify the AAIB? Police & CAA according to reports carried out the investigation & interviews. AAIB behind the scenes must be a distinct possibility? No doubt once the dust has settled after 15 March, an explanation will be provided by the authorities and an AAIB report will be published. The dots will eventually be joined up.... |
Originally Posted by uncle dickie
(Post 10396404)
The lack of any obvious AAIB involvement in this crash landing is somewhat strange given the non fatal injuries sustained. Perhaps RM did notify the AAIB? Police & CAA according to reports carried out the investigation & interviews. AAIB behind the scenes must be a distinct possibility? No doubt once the dust has settled after 15 March, an explanation will be provided by the authorities and an AAIB report will be published. The dots will eventually be joined up.... There are quite a few rogues in GA! |
Originally Posted by uncle dickie
(Post 10396404)
The lack of any obvious AAIB involvement in this crash landing is somewhat strange given the non fatal injuries sustained.
While this one has taken longer to emerge than most, that's probably a by-product of the police involvement and the court case. |
Hands up if you think the current application of "cost sharing" rules will shortly be taken out, dusted down and subjected to the same sort of compliance standards that are de rigueur in many other industries.
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Originally Posted by The Old Fat One
(Post 10396954)
Hands up if you think the current application of "cost sharing" rules will shortly be taken out, dusted down and subjected to the same sort of compliance standards that are de rigueur in many other industries.
Quite how it has been allowed to get to this position is beyond me. Or maybe certain "influencers" with their hands in the honey pot? But then I'm a confirmed cynic! ;) |
Was this a Wingly flight?
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Was this a Wingly flight? Plenty of info in the PF forum on another thread. Point is with two flights now splashed all over the media re "cost sharing", I suspect the CAA will have no choice but to wake up and get real. Once they have sorted out brexit, that is. Quite how it has been allowed to get to this position is beyond me. |
Does the CAA have any responsibility for the current cost-sharing rules? I thought they were EASA rules.
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Originally Posted by Maoraigh1
(Post 10397834)
Does the CAA have any responsibility for the current cost-sharing rules? I thought they were EASA rules.
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Originally Posted by Global_Global
(Post 10398336)
EASA creates the rules with all the stakeholders like the NAA's and other parties that want to have a say like AOPA, unions, etc. The delegated authority, reads in this case the UK CAA, is responsible for enforcement.
The consultation was flawed in many ways - I didn't respond to the consultation because the "cost sharing" rule change was proposed to allow fellow pilots, club members and friends to share costs (nothing wrong with that I thought). The CAA wrote a great deal during the consultation and even well after the law was passed emphasising the "cost sharing" rules that I've just mentioned (I've got screenshots of all) - Suddenly, third party agents such as Wingly etc appeared employing PPLs to fly the general public who had bought flights and gift cards from their website - Gift cards can also be bought and given to people/third parties who had no idea (probably the same as the purchaser) what Cost sharing, PPLs etc etc all means. So like SALA they were unable to assess the safety aspects of the flight accurately for themselves i.e. whether they wished to take the risk associated with flying with someone who has 55 hours total time or with a commercially licensed AOC operation. Sadly, it wasn't long before the CAA did a complete 180 by removing the advised restrictions and towing the EASA party line. |
Originally Posted by snchater
(Post 9887532)
Robert Murgatroyd is the owner of the Pa-28 involved in the Barton incident.
Google 'G-BBBK' and 'G-BBEF' for details of two previous fatal accidents to aircraft owned by Murgatroyd - he doesn't come across as a particularly responsible operator. Be lucky David |
I thought they were EASA rules. |
Norman Stanley Murgatroyd, you have been found guilty of the charges brought by this court, and it is now my duty to pass sentence. You are an habitual criminal, who accepts crashing an aircraft as an occupational hazard, and presumably accepts imprisonment in the same casual manner. We therefore feel constrained to commit you for the maximum term allowed for these offences. You will go to prison for......(fill in the blank tomorrow)
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Murgatroyd
Sentenced today for 3 1/2 years
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