Severe turbulence LHR-SIN. One dead.
Let us not keep blaming everything on global warming. The incident seems to have happened afternoon local time over the Bay of Bengal, where there are, as ever there at this time of year, substantial storms currently in progress. Accounts of old day flying in the ITCZ, right back to the 1930s flying boats, describe incidents of substantial turbulence there almost as standard.
I’m not so sure this was just CAT or turbulence alone,.that may be how it started.
it is from a media report..
After 11 hours of flying time from take-off in London, the aircraft sharply dropped from an altitude of around 11,300 metres to 9,500 metres within just five minutes as it finished crossing the Andaman Sea and neared Thailand, FlightRadar 24 data showed.
Dzafran Azmir, a 28-year-old student on board the flight, told Reuters the aircraft started "tilting up and there was shaking".
"So I started bracing for what was happening, and very suddenly there was a very dramatic drop," he said.
it is from a media report..
After 11 hours of flying time from take-off in London, the aircraft sharply dropped from an altitude of around 11,300 metres to 9,500 metres within just five minutes as it finished crossing the Andaman Sea and neared Thailand, FlightRadar 24 data showed.
Dzafran Azmir, a 28-year-old student on board the flight, told Reuters the aircraft started "tilting up and there was shaking".
"So I started bracing for what was happening, and very suddenly there was a very dramatic drop," he said.
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I’m not so sure this was just CAT….that may be how it started.
it is from a media report..
After 11 hours of flying time from take-off in London, the aircraft sharply dropped from an altitude of around 11,300 metres to 9,500 metres within just five minutes as it finished crossing the Andaman Sea and neared Thailand, FlightRadar 24 data showed.
Dzafran Azmir, a 28-year-old student on board the flight, told Reuters the aircraft started "tilting up and there was shaking".
"So I started bracing for what was happening, and very suddenly there was a very dramatic drop," he said.
it is from a media report..
After 11 hours of flying time from take-off in London, the aircraft sharply dropped from an altitude of around 11,300 metres to 9,500 metres within just five minutes as it finished crossing the Andaman Sea and neared Thailand, FlightRadar 24 data showed.
Dzafran Azmir, a 28-year-old student on board the flight, told Reuters the aircraft started "tilting up and there was shaking".
"So I started bracing for what was happening, and very suddenly there was a very dramatic drop," he said.
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Many times over the years I have wondered what aviation would look like if clear air turbulence was frequently unsurvivable. It seems an extraordinary coincidence that the worst CAT normally encountered lies within human tolerance.
Had CAT been worse than that historically, would aviation have ever developed? Are these increasingly dangerous incidents the new norm with global warming? Could aviation become so dangerous as to become unviable?
Greta might be rubbing her hands with glee. Not at the fatalities and injuries, obviously, but at the prospect of an aviation industry where people are too frightened to fly.
Of course, this incident might simply have been caused by pilots inadvertently flying into a detectable CB. Let's wait and see.
Had CAT been worse than that historically, would aviation have ever developed? Are these increasingly dangerous incidents the new norm with global warming? Could aviation become so dangerous as to become unviable?
Greta might be rubbing her hands with glee. Not at the fatalities and injuries, obviously, but at the prospect of an aviation industry where people are too frightened to fly.
Of course, this incident might simply have been caused by pilots inadvertently flying into a detectable CB. Let's wait and see.
I must admit this was one of my first thoughts when my wife read it out from an online news feed. Afaik, severe weather in the ICZ is normally associated with the Monsoon season which according to the Nat Geo website is from April to September so I guess that could be so.
This time of year it drifts further north.
Aside from the toilet visit considerations, try keeping an excitable/agitated infant in their seat for long durations...
They just don't seem that receptive to 'It's for your safety' arguments, surprisingly
They just don't seem that receptive to 'It's for your safety' arguments, surprisingly
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One of the generally fairly unreliable independent radio reports I heard just a few minutes ago said the aircraft "plunged" 6,000 feet in three minutes which doesn't seem that much of a "plunge". Then they also said that ambulances met the aircraft on "the runway" so possibly just the sort of rubbish you hear when aviation incidents are being (mis)reported.
Perhaps they have their units confused and it was 6,000m in three minutes, or 6,000ft in three seconds.
Perhaps they have their units confused and it was 6,000m in three minutes, or 6,000ft in three seconds.
I’m not so sure this was just CAT or turbulence alone,.that may be how it started.
it is from a media report..
After 11 hours of flying time from take-off in London, the aircraft sharply dropped from an altitude of around 11,300 metres to 9,500 metres within just five minutes as it finished crossing the Andaman Sea and neared Thailand, FlightRadar 24 data showed.
it is from a media report..
After 11 hours of flying time from take-off in London, the aircraft sharply dropped from an altitude of around 11,300 metres to 9,500 metres within just five minutes as it finished crossing the Andaman Sea and neared Thailand, FlightRadar 24 data showed.
-5400 feet in 5 minutes makes ~ -1000 fpm , doesnt make a ATC happy, but otherwise nothing out of SOP regime?
(just criticising the writing style of media report on that specific detail)
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This was probably after the fact. If you look at their flightpath in FR24, there are some altitude fluctuations at around 7.50UTC when the flight is at FL370 and still flying towards Singapore, just over Myanmar when they are about to go over the bay of Bengal. Flight is stable at 37000, then there is one datapoint at 37275, a few datapoints later they are at 36975. 10 minutes later, the flight changes it's heading towards Bangkok and descends to FL310 (which is the reported 6k feet "drop" which doesn't seem any more than a regular descent, after they decided to divert to BKK. After a couple of minutes at FL310, they continue their descent on approach into BKK. Squawk is changed to 7700 halfway into their descent.
https://avherald.com/h?article=518e5d47&opt=0
You can clearly see who were not wearing their seatbelts by the holes in the ceiling (and the blood on the head)...
You can clearly see who were not wearing their seatbelts by the holes in the ceiling (and the blood on the head)...
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Many times over the years I have wondered what aviation would look like if clear air turbulence was frequently unsurvivable. It seems an extraordinary coincidence that the worst CAT normally encountered lies within human tolerance.
Had CAT been worse than that historically, would aviation have ever developed? Are these increasingly dangerous incidents the new norm with global warming? Could aviation become so dangerous as to become unviable?
Greta might be rubbing her hands with glee. Not at the fatalities and injuries, obviously, but at the prospect of an aviation industry where people are too frightened to fly.
Of course, this incident might simply have been caused by pilots inadvertently flying into a detectable CB. Let's wait and see.
Had CAT been worse than that historically, would aviation have ever developed? Are these increasingly dangerous incidents the new norm with global warming? Could aviation become so dangerous as to become unviable?
Greta might be rubbing her hands with glee. Not at the fatalities and injuries, obviously, but at the prospect of an aviation industry where people are too frightened to fly.
Of course, this incident might simply have been caused by pilots inadvertently flying into a detectable CB. Let's wait and see.
I flew on an SQ B737 between Aus and SIN once. Daylight flight and gin clear. Then there was a bit of a ripple and “ding”: on came the signs. And stayed on. Forty five minutes later they were still on. And smooth as. Well, all except for my bladder, that is. The cabin crew, of course, were still moving up and down the aisle (not doing hot drinks, of course). I caught the eye of one and gestured at the signs. She asked: “Do you need the bathroom?”, to which I nodded. She continued up to the front galley and a moment later: “ding”. Signs went off.
I unstrapped and headed forward to the galley and the bathroom. And there in the galley was the Skipper, having a cuppa with one of the stewardesses…..
I unstrapped and headed forward to the galley and the bathroom. And there in the galley was the Skipper, having a cuppa with one of the stewardesses…..
You're not going to get any meaningful information on that from the flight tracker logs.
I’m not so sure this was just CAT or turbulence alone,.that may be how it started.
it is from a media report..
After 11 hours of flying time from take-off in London, the aircraft sharply dropped from an altitude of around 11,300 metres to 9,500 metres within just five minutes as it finished crossing the Andaman Sea and neared Thailand, FlightRadar 24 data showed.
Dzafran Azmir, a 28-year-old student on board the flight, told Reuters the aircraft started "tilting up and there was shaking".
"So I started bracing for what was happening, and very suddenly there was a very dramatic drop," he said.
it is from a media report..
After 11 hours of flying time from take-off in London, the aircraft sharply dropped from an altitude of around 11,300 metres to 9,500 metres within just five minutes as it finished crossing the Andaman Sea and neared Thailand, FlightRadar 24 data showed.
Dzafran Azmir, a 28-year-old student on board the flight, told Reuters the aircraft started "tilting up and there was shaking".
"So I started bracing for what was happening, and very suddenly there was a very dramatic drop," he said.
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https://avherald.com/h?article=518e5d47&opt=0
You can clearly see who were not wearing their seatbelts by the holes in the sealing (and the blood on the head)...
You can clearly see who were not wearing their seatbelts by the holes in the sealing (and the blood on the head)...
No, you can't. A person sitting securely fastened could have been hit by flying debris, or another passenger, or simply hitting the seatback in front. It's just as possible that one of the pilots could have been injured going to the toilet before TOD. (If it really was CAT, the flight crew would not have been prepared.). Are the seatbelt prosetrylizers suggesting the pilots should hold it in too?
Also my theory is that standing in the aisle, you are are much better able to brace yourself than sitting in a seat as you can grab on the the baggage rail. Also you will not be able to gain as much speed before you hit the ceiling.