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Courchevel Savoie France. Crash on landing

Old 19th Feb 2024, 13:35
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Originally Posted by punkalouver
When I looked at the picture, the first thought I had was to wonder if the wingtip hit a somewhat solid snowbank.
My thoughts too, if one could analyze better the skid marks in front of the fire truck. . Wind gust , or a tyre burst, any slight deviation at high speed and if the snowbank is higher than the wings and iced hard... ,
For me the 18 deg up slope is not the issue , but let's wait for the first crew interviews.
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Old 19th Feb 2024, 14:02
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Supposedly a short landing that resulted in a bounce and then the a/c veered of the RWY.
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Old 20th Feb 2024, 10:57
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As a matter of interest how can an airline legally operate a "charter" flight - ie public transport into an airfield with no go-around possible?
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Old 20th Feb 2024, 14:38
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Originally Posted by meleagertoo
As a matter of interest how can an airline legally operate a "charter" flight - ie public transport into an airfield with no go-around possible?
A go around is possible , there is just no procedures for it . This not unusual for altiports.. In practice, only below a certain decision height on short finals you cannot safely go around. due to the slope That's it.
BTW, in addition to a mountain qualification, you need a special approval to be allowed there if you are a public transport aircraft :
LFLJ : Public transport operations with airplanes is subject to:

- obtaining necessary approvals issued by the civil aviation authority in charge of monitoring the operator and,

- obtaining an authorization issued by the DSAC Centre Est based on a case file including approvals as referred above, operating instructions, operational limitations, TKOF and LDG procedures and engine failure procedures at TKOF related to each type of airplane concerned with the operations on this altiport.
-. Users are asked to join the DSAC Centre-Est to obtain any other information enabling them to set their operating instructions for this altiport and associated limitations, and submit their requests and case files
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Old 20th Feb 2024, 14:44
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Originally Posted by meleagertoo
As a matter of interest how can an airline legally operate a "charter" flight - ie public transport into an airfield with no go-around possible?
If my memory serves me well EAPC has no AOC//OL in CAT, so I really doubt if we can call it a charter or public transport... But of course I respect your point of view.
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Old 20th Feb 2024, 22:50
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Originally Posted by meleagertoo
As a matter of interest how can an airline legally operate a "charter" flight - ie public transport into an airfield with no go-around possible?
There is no particular risk for a competent pilot. 70kt is a very slow speed, it's the same as some recreational airplanes.
This speed converts to 200ft of altitude, in terms of kinetical vs potential energy.
So, even with a complete braking failure and tyres rolling perfectly without friction, the airplane could land at courchevel and still stop within the runway.
There is no particular risk except if the throttle gets stuck to full power during the flare...
The speed is of course to be checked during the entire final.
Go around is feasible until a very late stage (but not during the flare indeed).
If you correctly aim the correct spot on the runway at the correct speed, from the moment you power back, there is no possibility of long landing.
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Old 21st Feb 2024, 12:51
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https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid...96336950378249

This looks like a normal trailer-crane to me: would it be usual to need specialists to do this ? The other thing is that this photo was taken on Sat Feb 17th which would be one of the three busiest days of the year for traffic into Courchevel : probalby 10 hours of heavy traffic - including 6-7 hours of nose-to-tail traffic - in both directions and utterly impossible to insert something like that . Maybe they waited for night ( if the driver was still within his hours ! )

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Old 21st Feb 2024, 20:09
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Have been rated for Courchevel for years and have been there numerous times. Have seen at least a demolished PC12, a King Air Super 90 and a Turbo Twin Commander. Successfully landing there is just a matter of training and knowledge of the speeds of your A/C.

Fun fact: on take off after getting airborne your VSI shows initially 500 ft/min rate of descent...

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Old 22nd Feb 2024, 08:06
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Tartiflette Fan, canít see your FB page. As far as I can work out from the local paper they had fuel contamination to deal with so the runway was unusable. The crane appeared on the runway late afternoon and the whole operation seemed to take less than an hour. You can see it all on the altiport webcam time lapse function.

https://m.webcam-hd.com/courchevel-mairie/altiport
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