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AF356 tailstrike in yyz

Old 22nd Jan 2024, 08:09
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AF356 tailstrike in yyz

Air France 356

That’ll buff right out
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 11:40
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(Picture from Reddit, which came from @saiters_photography on Instagram)

Why was the PF pulling back on the stick so much? The deflection is quite large here. Also, it sounds like the engines didn't go in TOGA straightaway, but rather into reverse initially?
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 12:53
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Weekly Air France incident - tailstrike in Toronto

https://aviationsourcenews.com/incid...ng-in-toronto/
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 13:19
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Was the copilot landing while the pilot was taking off? What a stuff up.
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 13:48
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Does that Reddit photo show deformation above and infront of the THS?
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 14:20
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Ah! In YYZ was it! Now some know but probably 95% of the readership haven't a clue. And why should they?
How about using real names instead of esoteric codes to show how clever (not) and 'insider' you are.

Has it not occurred that people who don't operate in that area will have no idea where that is, and that many here are not pilots or exposed in any way to IATA codes either?
Not all of us have a global list of IATA codes in our heads, and suggestions to use google are just smug smartarsery.

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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 14:32
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They are very easy to find. Anyway, any Rush fan knows where YYZ is. 😁
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 14:38
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AF 356 schedules CDG Paris France to YYZ Toronto, that is in Canada.
Tail strike on L1011 back in late 70's (aircraft has tail a strut), PANAM adviser says "not much damage", I open aft access door~frames buckled~ work party from HKG (Hong Kong) took a good week to repair.
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 14:53
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Originally Posted by TURIN
They are very easy to find. Anyway, any Rush fan knows where YYZ is. 😁
You've made my day TURIN...hope we can hear the ATC tapes here about this AF incident in "The Spirit of Radio"
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 14:56
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Will be interesting to repair a carbon fiber hull with that amount of damage. Why on earth are such gross errors are made in a computer ladden A350? WB wrong from the loadmaster?
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 15:01
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Will be interesting to repair a carbon fiber hull with that amount of damage. Why on earth are such gross errors are made in a computer ladden A350? WB wrong from the loadmaster?
It occured during a Go Around (baulked landing methinks).
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 15:01
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In YYZ was it! Now some know and the rest of us haven't a clue
Yeah, some of us in Canada get a little puzzled, and have to refer to Google, with the use of four letter codes on the other side of the Atlantic.

All large Canadian airports have "Y" as the first of three characters, or "CY" as the first of four. Usually the last two characters seem random, though for some of the newer Canadian airports, there is some apparent logic. Apparently the seemingly random last two characters on the "original" airports originated with weather station designation at those locations - before my time!

YYZ was home base for me for years - back in the "Terminal 2" days!
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 15:14
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First observations :
The landing occurred just past the 600m mark. That may be a reason for go around.. And it was confirmed by people talking about hearing it on liveATC. I'm looking out for the recording.
The thrust reversers appears to have been selected, before the thrust was increased again. This is against operating rules.
I don't know if the 350 behaves weirdly in a balked landing ? At least, the 320 does, with huge pitch down input on the stick which incurs a lot of force.
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 15:15
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Which reminds me of a Canadian pilot we once hired:

"How the hell do you get Luton out of EGGW?"

"Same way that you get Gander out of CYQX!"
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 15:54
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Obviously bounced first then tail strike on GA. Will be a flight home at 10,000ft
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 16:27
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I don't see any bounce. To me it was a completely normal landing.
My bet is the reverse were deployed, so the thrust was much longer than usual to come.
The pilot pulled too hard. Maybe used to the 320 where you need to pull very hard.
The absence of thrust didn't help the aircraft climb and gain some tail clearance.
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 17:27
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At least from the passenger window, looks like a perfectly normal landing past touchdown. What would have caused them to go around? Yes, engines are slow to develop thrust, but once she is fully in the air, notice how fast she climbs?
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 17:30
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Runway incursion?

I was on the flight. Once the flight was stabilised after the go around, the pilot announced that the reason for the go around was that the runway was occupied…. How can we know what was on the runway?
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 18:07
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I was on the flight. Once the flight was stabilised after the go around, the pilot announced that the reason for the go around was that the runway was occupied…. How can we know what was on the runway?
There was a Canadair Global Express business jet in front. Impossible to say accurately with FR24 but it could well have been a tad late vacating the runway.
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 20:26
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There was a Canadair Global Express business jet in front. Impossible to say accurately with FR24 but it could well have been a tad late vacating the runway.
I'd hope the decision to go around due to an occupied runway would come a bit before touchdown on a seemingly severe CAVOK day with great visibility to see this other traffic occupying the runway... No need to put it down first and then second guess if the guy in front has vacated yet or not.

Sounds a bit strange to me, but let's see if any reports come out later. I'm inclined to believe the FR24 data which has the preceding traffic already moving in the opposite direction on the taxiway after vacating.
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