ATR 72 Royal Maroc at Valência...Oppsss
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ATR 72 Royal Maroc at Valência...Oppsss
Wowwwwww...that NLG really suffered a lot 🙄
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I was flying an ATR with a well educated FO, that when phoning home, sang in a voice from a different universe. His fingers danced on the FMC and generally he seemed proficient. However, one day, at the last moments of an approach, the concrete came at me as though the planet had exploded. I grabbed the yoke and pulled. All three points landed half an inch under the surface. So hard to explain.
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I was flying an ATR with a well educated FO, that when phoning home, sang in a voice from a different universe. His fingers danced on the FMC and generally he seemed proficient. However, one day, at the last moments of an approach, the concrete came at me as though the planet had exploded. I grabbed the yoke and pulled. All three points landed half an inch under the surface. So hard to explain.
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Many many years ago I worked for a large central England flight training school. I was asked to come in on the weekend to finish off a couple of students because they were short of hours and their type rating training was starting on the Monday. I duly complied, but on the return approach was asked by the student to take the landing because he wasn’t happy landing with a crosswind. This I did (effortlessly) but was left thinking hmm, passed all his training, passed all his tests, got a job with major airline but errr can’t fly for a toffee!
Never forgotten that, stayed with me ever since.
Never forgotten that, stayed with me ever since.
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Harsh times for ATR's it seems.
Same country, different airport, different operator
https://youtu.be/-j8wm6draWk
Same country, different airport, different operator
https://youtu.be/-j8wm6draWk
Jesus Christ...that last one was nasty...what happened really there!!???
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Many many years ago I worked for a large central England flight training school. I was asked to come in on the weekend to finish off a couple of students because they were short of hours and their type rating training was starting on the Monday. I duly complied, but on the return approach was asked by the student to take the landing because he wasn’t happy landing with a crosswind. This I did (effortlessly) but was left thinking hmm, passed all his training, passed all his tests, got a job with major airline but errr can’t fly for a toffee!
Never forgotten that, stayed with me ever since.
Never forgotten that, stayed with me ever since.
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After seeing this type of event beginning to develop while I was type training pilots, I developed a training technique to prevent this. I would pre brief that I would talk the trainee through the flare. I would brief that I would be using one of only two words, or, we'd be going around. They were to do as I spoke in very small increments, and immediately but gently change to the other action as I spoke it. The words are "pull" and "pause". So, as the flare begun, I would speak: "pull, pull, pull, pull, pause, pause, pull, pull, pause, pull pull...." until the hull (or main wheels) touched. I never raised my voice, nor made it sound urgent (that would have been a go around already, if I let it get that far out of hand). Doing this showed the trainee that "push" is never a part of a good landing in a tricycle wheel gear or hull type airplane. Once the trainee learned that "pause" while in the flare is an okay thing to do, push to overcome pulling too much was no longer needed, and landings became acceptable.
Any training pilot who allows a trainee pilot to push in the flare is doing the trainee a dis service in learning.
Any training pilot who allows a trainee pilot to push in the flare is doing the trainee a dis service in learning.
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