Tui runway excursion at Leeds Bradford 20/10/23
It looks like the wind was 070/17 gusting 30 and wet. They landed on Runway 14.
I remember when the Airtours Tristar went off the end of runway 14 in May 1985. I flew into LBA the following day in a Fokker F27 and had to land on the cross runway 28 which I see no longer exists. We had to do a water methanol takeoff to get airborne on 28.
The following is just a possibility. The Tui landed with autobrake selected. The far end was coming up a little faster than they would have liked and the handling pilot took out the autobrake to apply max manual braking. He would have needed quite a lot of right rudder to avoid weathercocking into wind. It is hard to apply full braking evenly when you have a boot full of rudder applied, especially on the pedal furthest away from you.
I remember when the Airtours Tristar went off the end of runway 14 in May 1985. I flew into LBA the following day in a Fokker F27 and had to land on the cross runway 28 which I see no longer exists. We had to do a water methanol takeoff to get airborne on 28.
The following is just a possibility. The Tui landed with autobrake selected. The far end was coming up a little faster than they would have liked and the handling pilot took out the autobrake to apply max manual braking. He would have needed quite a lot of right rudder to avoid weathercocking into wind. It is hard to apply full braking evenly when you have a boot full of rudder applied, especially on the pedal furthest away from you.
The Tristar overrun in 1985
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Well done to Leeds Airport for getting the airport back up and running when they did, in obviously very challenging conditions. And also well done for clearing the site. When I landed there at 1515Z (the airfield re-opened at 1300Z), there was very little sign that there had even been an incident there which will be very good for the "clueless customers" or SLF!.(Unlike LHR where the wheel tracks of that B777 short of 27L were still clearly there quite some time later.)
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It's just taken some digging out, but there was another, similar incident in 2005, which I witnessed (I think my description is the second post in the thread).
A320 off the runway at LBA
A320 off the runway at LBA
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It's just taken some digging out, but there was another, similar incident in 2005, which I witnessed (I think my description is the second post in the thread).
A320 off the runway at LBA
A320 off the runway at LBA
(It landed directly after us.)
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Well done to Leeds Airport for getting the airport back up and running when they did, in obviously very challenging conditions. And also well done for clearing the site. When I landed there at 1515Z (the airfield re-opened at 1300Z), there was very little sign that there had even been an incident there which will be very good for the "clueless customers" or SLF!.(Unlike LHR where the wheel tracks of that B777 short of 27L were still clearly there quite some time later.)
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They put boards down infront of it and 3 HGV recovery trucks pulled it out of the mud on to the boards then on to the runway and then a tug took it away.
The road HGV recovery contractors are past masters at how to pull heavy trucks out of all sorts of unfortunate positions in extremely short time - overturned across a motorway, down an embankment, etc. Just stuck in the mud would be one of the easier recoveries. Big-engined truck to do the pulling, ancillary truck carrying the cables, boards, tools etc. All they need is a strong point to attach to. Did the vehicles actually pull, or did they use their winches ?
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The road HGV recovery contractors are past masters at how to pull heavy trucks out of all sorts of unfortunate positions in extremely short time - overturned across a motorway, down an embankment, etc. Just stuck in the mud would be one of the easier recoveries. Big-engined truck to do the pulling, ancillary truck carrying the cables, boards, tools etc. All they need is a strong point to attach to. Did the vehicles actually pull, or did they use their winches ?
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As an aside, from a passenger point of view, LBA is my least favourite in U.K. Dreadful journey to even get there. DSA was my favourite and closest so it’s one extreme to the other.
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I love the ‘holier than thou’ comments from one or two professional colleagues.
In 8000 hrs of airline flying, the roughest approach I have ever had - anywhere on the planet - was into LBA. We were the last crew daft enough to land that day, and it’s right up there with Kabul & Kathmandu as a place I never, ever want to go back to.
It doesn’t matter how good you are: LBA on a nasty day could catch out the world’s greatest SkyGod.
In 8000 hrs of airline flying, the roughest approach I have ever had - anywhere on the planet - was into LBA. We were the last crew daft enough to land that day, and it’s right up there with Kabul & Kathmandu as a place I never, ever want to go back to.
It doesn’t matter how good you are: LBA on a nasty day could catch out the world’s greatest SkyGod.
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I love the ‘holier than thou’ comments from one or two professional colleagues.
In 8000 hrs of airline flying, the roughest approach I have ever had - anywhere on the planet - was into LBA. We were the last crew daft enough to land that day, and it’s right up there with Kabul & Kathmandu as a place I never, ever want to go back to.
It doesn’t matter how good you are: LBA on a nasty day could catch out the world’s greatest SkyGod.
In 8000 hrs of airline flying, the roughest approach I have ever had - anywhere on the planet - was into LBA. We were the last crew daft enough to land that day, and it’s right up there with Kabul & Kathmandu as a place I never, ever want to go back to.
It doesn’t matter how good you are: LBA on a nasty day could catch out the world’s greatest SkyGod.
Easy for us to sit in our armchairs and assume this and suggest that.
They probably had a matter of a few seconds to try and make the best of the situation that unfolded in front of them. And they did just that.
I'm not a pilot but have used LBA for 35 years, and in the autumn/winter it's an absolute bugger as a passenger. I don't recall how many go-arounds or diversions I have been subject to but it's a shocking airport for weather due to location... highest in England.
I'm glad all are okay but slightly miffed that I'm supposed to be on the 7:45 to Faro in the morning and now I guess Brum or Manchester beckon...
I'm glad all are okay but slightly miffed that I'm supposed to be on the 7:45 to Faro in the morning and now I guess Brum or Manchester beckon...
Somewhere like Doncaster or Sheffield perhaps !