Tui runway excursion at Leeds Bradford 20/10/23
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That was an assumption based on the line engineer we handed our aircraft over to in the early hours of Saturday morning saying he thought it was now going to Luton (I think he said) rather than Poland. Perhaps they decided it was safe to to raise the gear and take it that far after all.
Plenty of spare CFM56s knocking around, I doubt they had any problem sourcing a pair.
To reply to EmmaMac and her query regarding the ramifications to the two pilots involved.
Putting aside for a moment this particular incident, it very much depends upon the culture of the airline involved. There is an old adage of ‘guilty until proved innocent’ in the airline industry and it is common practice to suspend pilots whilst enquiries are made and interviews carried out. When pilots simply get caught out by a combination of circumstances, they will be back on line pretty quickly with maybe a quick session in the sim. If it is a matter of flagrant abuse of rules then things become more difficult with possible disciplinary proceedings at which point Union/Legal representation may be required. Obviously there are myriad situations between these two quoted examples. I once worked for an airline which had a very robust safety culture bordering on fear which after a merger became more relaxed and more productive for management and pilots alike.
Anyone who has operated into LBA will know that weather conditions can make it one of the more challenging airfields in the UK. Other than what I have read elsewhere regarding the weather on the day, I have no idea as to the exact circumstances and as such I will not speculate as to the cause of the incident.
Putting aside for a moment this particular incident, it very much depends upon the culture of the airline involved. There is an old adage of ‘guilty until proved innocent’ in the airline industry and it is common practice to suspend pilots whilst enquiries are made and interviews carried out. When pilots simply get caught out by a combination of circumstances, they will be back on line pretty quickly with maybe a quick session in the sim. If it is a matter of flagrant abuse of rules then things become more difficult with possible disciplinary proceedings at which point Union/Legal representation may be required. Obviously there are myriad situations between these two quoted examples. I once worked for an airline which had a very robust safety culture bordering on fear which after a merger became more relaxed and more productive for management and pilots alike.
Anyone who has operated into LBA will know that weather conditions can make it one of the more challenging airfields in the UK. Other than what I have read elsewhere regarding the weather on the day, I have no idea as to the exact circumstances and as such I will not speculate as to the cause of the incident.
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I'm not sure the "guilty until proven innocent" applies in the UK - suspension isn't about guilt or otherwise, it's to ensure there's a proper investigation to establish what happened & why, & to ensure they have time to recover from the shock & trauma of it, & are fit to return to duty. If there are failings in the way the crew operated the aircraft, that may be addressed with retraining; if it's a technical issue, then that's no reflection on them, anyway.
I'm not sure the "guilty until proven innocent" applies in the UK - suspension isn't about guilt or otherwise, it's to ensure there's a proper investigation to establish what happened & why, & to ensure they have time to recover from the shock & trauma of it, & are fit to return to duty. If there are failings in the way the crew operated the aircraft, that may be addressed with retraining; if it's a technical issue, then that's no reflection on them, anyway.
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So what happens to the incident engines after something like this? Are they cleaned out and overhauled and put back into service? Or will they be scrapped?
Given the amount of stuff, gravel or what, that went in with the engines running, there must be lots of damage / nicks to fan blades and things.
That second photo of the wheel well (Post 143) looks like some post-apocalyptic art of abandoned equipment that's been left for decades!
Given the amount of stuff, gravel or what, that went in with the engines running, there must be lots of damage / nicks to fan blades and things.
That second photo of the wheel well (Post 143) looks like some post-apocalyptic art of abandoned equipment that's been left for decades!
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Scrapped? Extremely unlikely.
Like any other piece of equipment; dismantled to its constituent parts, each one cleaned, inspected to established criteria, repaired or replaced as necessary. Then rebuild.
With the amount of dirt and rubbish seen on the photos there is a high probabiity of damage to the later compressor stages, and contamination of primary and secondary air paths.
Like any other piece of equipment; dismantled to its constituent parts, each one cleaned, inspected to established criteria, repaired or replaced as necessary. Then rebuild.
With the amount of dirt and rubbish seen on the photos there is a high probabiity of damage to the later compressor stages, and contamination of primary and secondary air paths.
Scrapped? Extremely unlikely.
Like any other piece of equipment; dismantled to its constituent parts, each one cleaned, inspected to established criteria, repaired or replaced as necessary. Then rebuild.
With the amount of dirt and rubbish seen on the photos there is a high probabiity of damage to the later compressor stages, and contamination of primary and secondary air paths.
Like any other piece of equipment; dismantled to its constituent parts, each one cleaned, inspected to established criteria, repaired or replaced as necessary. Then rebuild.
With the amount of dirt and rubbish seen on the photos there is a high probabiity of damage to the later compressor stages, and contamination of primary and secondary air paths.
My understanding is that the engines were replaced, and I responded to YRP's question on that basis. In which case, however bad the engine damage, it's in a container on its way to an overhaul shop and becomes someone else's problem.
Replacement engines were fitted along with wheels/tyres and probably brakes. There are pictures on LBA enthusiasts pages of the work being carried out including the engines under wrappings.
Once they're back at the workshop then there will be a process of examination and replacement of damaged parts. Engines around the world suffer foreign object damage on a daily basis and the drill for dealing with them will be well rehearsed.
Once they're back at the workshop then there will be a process of examination and replacement of damaged parts. Engines around the world suffer foreign object damage on a daily basis and the drill for dealing with them will be well rehearsed.
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Because Peel didn't ever intend to make Doncaster work as an airport. They only bought it as a cheap piece of land, got a local grant to build a nice new access link to the motorway and suppressed any chance of commercial aviation success by charging over the odds for any airline operators that tried it. Then they could 'justify' closing it and turning it into a nice profitable business park.
One thing that has not been mentioned anywhere in the thread [that I've noticed anyway] is that the 'crash recovery team' of ground engineers that facilitated getting this aircraft out at LBA were a British Airways team of crash recovery engineers that had travelled up from London on the day of the incident by road with the required equipment to get the aircraft out.
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One thing that has not been mentioned anywhere in the thread [that I've noticed anyway] is that the 'crash recovery team' of ground engineers that facilitated getting this aircraft out at LBA were a British Airways team of crash recovery engineers that had travelled up from London on the day of the incident by road with the required equipment to get the aircraft out.
] an insult...a nomination for a 'bronze' in house award....bronze being the lowest category and to put it into perspective, if you get nominated for such bronze awards you can choose a bronze level 'prize' an example in that category being a mobile phone charging lead!Yes, BA highly regard their engineers
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