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Aztec crash near Bagby 6 July'23.

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Aztec crash near Bagby 6 July'23.

What sadly looks like a fatal light aircraft crash near Bagby.
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/316539

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There's very little about the Bagby incident but this link has some drone (?) pictures - doesn't look great.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-66130906
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BBC confirms one fatality, very sad...
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Flightaware shows an aircraft approaching Bagby at 19.45 BST - the type tallies with the shape of the tail visible in the photo....
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Flightaware shows an aircraft approaching Bagby at 19.45 BST - the type tallies with the shape of the tail visible in the photo....
1971 White Waltham-based Aztec G-BKJW.
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According to the news reports pilot didn't make it and looking at the picture I can understand why.
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According to the news reports pilot didn't make it and looking at the picture I can understand why.
Which news reports are those?
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
1971 White Waltham-based Aztec G-BKJW.
Very sad to see it's that aircraft. It was owned by Alan Williams of the Rubettes from 1978 until 2019 and I operated it on air taxi work for a number of years in the early 1980s.
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Originally Posted by GeeRam
Which news reports are those?
This one https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-66130906
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North Yorks Aztec crash was fatal - aircraft appears to have dived in while returning to Bagby from Ireland, last ADSB signal showed ROD of nearly 3000 fpm and 238kts! Catastrophic mechanical or medical problem perhaps? No idea what the weather was like.

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Originally Posted by treadigraph
North Yorks Aztec crash was fatal - aircraft appears to have dived in while returning to Bagby from Ireland, last ADSB signal showed ROD of nearly 3000 fpm and 238kts! Catastrophic mechanical or medical problem perhaps? No idea what the weather was like.
I was driving past Bagby up the A19 around the time of the incident, and the weather was benign..
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Aztec crash near Bagby 6 July'23.

On the evening of the 6th. of July a PA 27 Aztec crashed as it neared Bagby. The sole occupant in his twenties was killed.
There appears to be little mention of this accident, except for a brief note of it in the post above.
Does anybody know more ?
I find it sad that a young pilot probably starting out could die so anonymously.
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Have to say I was very surprised (and sad of course) at this news. Iíve extensive experience on most marks of the Aztec family including a single engine landing with pumping the gear down. Never felt unsafe and always enjoyed itís no nonsense handling. I do wonder what the AAIB will find?
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Certainly await AAIB's findings with interest, the aircraft had flown quite a long day down to northern France, thence to the Irish Republic and back to Bagby.

(Thanks for the tidy up! )
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I'm not 100% convinced by that tour shown on the flight trackers.
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
I'm not 100% convinced by that tour shown on the flight trackers.
Why not?
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My scepticism is based on having recorded it on Mode S for a period on the day of the accident. If the Aztec had been where the flight trackers put it at the time in question, I shouldn't have been able to pick it up.

Could have been freak reception, I suppose, but I'm always a bit dubious about tracks constructed wholly using multilateration.
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This looks like a pretty clear track...


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/GBKJW
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
My scepticism is based on having recorded it on Mode S for a period on the day of the accident. If the Aztec had been where the flight trackers put it at the time in question, I shouldn't have been able to pick it up.

Could have been freak reception, I suppose, but I'm always a bit dubious about tracks constructed wholly using multilateration.
ADSB can be a bit odd too - RC-135 ZZ665 apparently stooging around over Croydon at 2 or 3000' at present - it isn't, I think it's probably in the Waddington vicinity after a hard day's monitoring in SE Europe!
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The aircraft did indeed go to France, back to Ireland and then towards Bagby.
I have been told that the heater did not work on the previous flight and at least one
passenger complained of a strong smell of fumes on arrival in Ireland.
One of the four owners was not impressed with the lack of door seal.
The four owners are all involved in the racing industry.
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