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treadigraph 7th Jul 2023 09:55

Aztec crash near Bagby 6 July'23.
 
What sadly looks like a fatal light aircraft crash near Bagby.
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/316539


SWBKCB 7th Jul 2023 10:19

There's very little about the Bagby incident but this link has some drone (?) pictures - doesn't look great.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-66130906

treadigraph 7th Jul 2023 12:43

BBC confirms one fatality, very sad...

ETOPS 7th Jul 2023 13:57

Flightaware shows an aircraft approaching Bagby at 19.45 BST - the type tallies with the shape of the tail visible in the photo....:(

DaveReidUK 7th Jul 2023 16:05


Originally Posted by ETOPS (Post 11463513)
Flightaware shows an aircraft approaching Bagby at 19.45 BST - the type tallies with the shape of the tail visible in the photo....:(

1971 White Waltham-based Aztec G-BKJW.

Bksmithca 7th Jul 2023 21:16

According to the news reports pilot didn't make it and looking at the picture I can understand why.

GeeRam 7th Jul 2023 21:26


Originally Posted by Bksmithca (Post 11463691)
According to the news reports pilot didn't make it and looking at the picture I can understand why.

Which news reports are those?

Expressflight 8th Jul 2023 11:54


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 11463557)
1971 White Waltham-based Aztec G-BKJW.

Very sad to see it's that aircraft. It was owned by Alan Williams of the Rubettes from 1978 until 2019 and I operated it on air taxi work for a number of years in the early 1980s.

Bksmithca 8th Jul 2023 13:12


Originally Posted by GeeRam (Post 11463695)
Which news reports are those?

This one https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-66130906

treadigraph 8th Jul 2023 14:14

North Yorks Aztec crash was fatal - aircraft appears to have dived in while returning to Bagby from Ireland, last ADSB signal showed ROD of nearly 3000 fpm and 238kts! Catastrophic mechanical or medical problem perhaps? No idea what the weather was like.


Midland 331 9th Jul 2023 19:47


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 11464030)
North Yorks Aztec crash was fatal - aircraft appears to have dived in while returning to Bagby from Ireland, last ADSB signal showed ROD of nearly 3000 fpm and 238kts! Catastrophic mechanical or medical problem perhaps? No idea what the weather was like.

I was driving past Bagby up the A19 around the time of the incident, and the weather was benign..

7AC 16th Jul 2023 09:48

Aztec crash near Bagby 6 July'23.
 
On the evening of the 6th. of July a PA 27 Aztec crashed as it neared Bagby. The sole occupant in his twenties was killed.
There appears to be little mention of this accident, except for a brief note of it in the post above.
Does anybody know more ?
I find it sad that a young pilot probably starting out could die so anonymously.

ETOPS 16th Jul 2023 10:18

Have to say I was very surprised (and sad of course) at this news. I’ve extensive experience on most marks of the Aztec family including a single engine landing with pumping the gear down. Never felt unsafe and always enjoyed it’s no nonsense handling. I do wonder what the AAIB will find?

treadigraph 17th Jul 2023 08:12

Certainly await AAIB's findings with interest, the aircraft had flown quite a long day down to northern France, thence to the Irish Republic and back to Bagby.

(Thanks for the tidy up! :ok:)

DaveReidUK 17th Jul 2023 08:47

I'm not 100% convinced by that tour shown on the flight trackers.

SWBKCB 17th Jul 2023 09:06


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 11468847)
I'm not 100% convinced by that tour shown on the flight trackers.

Why not?

DaveReidUK 17th Jul 2023 20:32

My scepticism is based on having recorded it on Mode S for a period on the day of the accident. If the Aztec had been where the flight trackers put it at the time in question, I shouldn't have been able to pick it up.

Could have been freak reception, I suppose, but I'm always a bit dubious about tracks constructed wholly using multilateration.

ETOPS 17th Jul 2023 22:02

This looks like a pretty clear track...


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/GBKJW

treadigraph 19th Jul 2023 16:46


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 11469162)
My scepticism is based on having recorded it on Mode S for a period on the day of the accident. If the Aztec had been where the flight trackers put it at the time in question, I shouldn't have been able to pick it up.

Could have been freak reception, I suppose, but I'm always a bit dubious about tracks constructed wholly using multilateration.

ADSB can be a bit odd too - RC-135 ZZ665 apparently stooging around over Croydon at 2 or 3000' at present - it isn't, I think it's probably in the Waddington vicinity after a hard day's monitoring in SE Europe!

7AC 19th Jul 2023 18:09

The aircraft did indeed go to France, back to Ireland and then towards Bagby.
I have been told that the heater did not work on the previous flight and at least one
passenger complained of a strong smell of fumes on arrival in Ireland.
One of the four owners was not impressed with the lack of door seal.
The four owners are all involved in the racing industry.


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