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Cardiff City Footballer Feared Missing after aircraft disappeared near Channel Island

Old 28th Jan 2019, 11:34
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NAROBS No, it's not saying that - but there is a mingling of what is illegal, and what people might not like but is legal.

Like lumping weed and tobacco in together, I suppose...

Some sharing is shady business, some is not.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 11:37
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Originally Posted by Aireps View Post
N264DB is in the Airframes dot org database with a Mode S Hex code: A28E26 (ICAO24). This strongly suggests that it was Mode S equipped.
None of the tracking sites have Mode S data though, while most have good coverage in the area. Mode S not switched on / unserviceable?
Not necessarily. The UK CAA and possibly other authorities issued mode S Hex codes to to all aircraft about 10 years ago whether they were fitted or not.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 12:23
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Maybe it should be mandatory that all aircraft are trackable on sites like FR24 and Radarbox etc.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 12:29
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Originally Posted by ATC Watcher View Post
unlikely to take off and/or enter class D airspace without a working transponder I would say , especially at night ., not to mention entering UK airspace afterwards... Only possibility is it went u/s or inadvertently turned to SBY in flight ( still happens ) But you would at least notice its departure from NTS on FR24 then.

N264DB hasn’t ever been tracked by ADS-B Exchange, who don’t filter anything.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 12:50
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Originally Posted by Air Soul View Post
N264DB hasn’t ever been tracked by ADS-B Exchange, who don’t filter anything.
Then it must have had old ModeA/C transponder with probably a derogation to fly IFR with it in both France and the UK. Easy to check by the Accident investigators.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 12:52
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I wonder whether there will now be a crack down on the operation of 'flag of convenience' registered aircraft based in the UK, in order for the regulator to have better oversight of their activity?
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 13:07
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Originally Posted by BEagle View Post
I wonder whether there will now be a crack down on the operation of 'flag of convenience' registered aircraft based in the UK, in order for the regulator to have better oversight of their activity?
Not without a substantial increase in the number of Flt Ops Inspectors to conduct widespread and regular ramp checks. The CAA will simply slope it's teflon shoulders a little more and say their budget does not permit...
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 14:21
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Originally Posted by meleagertoo View Post
Not without a substantial increase in the number of Flt Ops Inspectors to conduct widespread and regular ramp checks. The CAA will simply slope it's teflon shoulders a little more and say their budget does not permit...
No change there then in 30 years.










And in 30 years time we will be saying exactly the same......
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 15:12
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Media breifing on the BBC from the private search people.
Just said they are searching underwater as the AAIB have already decided not to do so, 'as there would be little to learn from finding it...'
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 15:20
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Originally Posted by Flap40 View Post
The UK CAA and possibly other authorities issued mode S Hex codes to to all aircraft about 10 years ago whether they were fitted or not.
Yes, and in the case of the FAA the ICAO24 address is determined by the N-number in a fixed relationship.

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Old 28th Jan 2019, 16:00
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Originally Posted by Luc Lion View Post
I started following this thread because I couldn't understand why this plane was cruising at 5000 ft in Monday's meteorological conditions and, if a problem prevented the climb out, why the pilot didn't declare an emergency and land in Jersey.
These questions still remain open, even though there is now a hypothesis that the cruising altitude choice was deliberate and dictated by licencing issues.
If the deliberate choice is confirmed, to me this is akin to reckless flying.
A French newspaper, Ouest-France, claims to have had access to the flight plan and that is was a VFR flight plan.
https://www.ouest-france.fr/sport/fo...on-vol-6198438
Hence the 5000 ft cruise altitude.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 16:13
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......was a VFR flight plan. ..... hence the 5000 ft cruise altitude.
In North America, VFR is +500 feet, is it not the same in Europe?
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 16:23
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Latest from local French media:

In a press conference on Monday, Neil Warnock, the Cardiff City manager, mentioned Dave Ibbotson, the pilot who disappeared with Emiliano Sala: "I have flown with him, he was a fabulous pilot, so I do not understand what happened. "

In its edition of this Monday, Ouest-France has published some of the content of the flight plans filed last week. These documents reveal "the total unpreparedness" of the pilot, who had written 'completely fanciful indications' and was 'even mistaken in noting the registration of his aircraft'. Changed at the last minute, for 'reasons that remain unknown', the second flight plan reveals 'that David Ibbotson flew by sight, that is to say without any reference other than what he saw around him which is not much in these weather conditions and in any case, normally prohibited for this type of flying'. Finally, we learn that the 'private pilot license he had did not allow him to fly this type of aircraft'
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 16:39
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It is a pity that this "local French media" (Ouest-France) hides 80% of the article content unless you take out a paying subscription.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 16:53
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We are dealing with media reports here so nothing is certain. However it is possible that the level of negligence passes the threshold into criminal acts. Responsibility for those criminal acts could include individuals/companies involved in making the arrangements if they knowingly hired a pilot without the necessary qualifications, or even worse, hired a pilot who would pretend to be someone else to use their qualifications. Note, I have said IF, because nothing is known for certain at this stage.

I have to say that I am absolutely astonished that the Cardiff Manager has admitted to being flown by the pilot. I’d like to know the circumstances of that flight.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 16:55
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Yes, VFR cruising altitudes are the same as US (semicircular rule)
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 16:57
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The full article basically claims:

A local commercial pilot has said the conditions were definitely IMC on the night in question.and the pilot was only VFR rated
The pilot had an FAA licence with no type-rating for the aircraft used which was of a complex type..
There were mistakes in the flight plan - ie, wrong registration entered.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 16:59
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Originally Posted by Pilot DAR View Post
I nearly never click to accept cookies. Unless it's a website I really want to visit, and trust, seeing the "accept cookies" inset will usually cause me to leave the website. As I believe they track everything else, hopefully they also track the number of people who get to the first page, then choose to not visit further into their website! Perhaps they'll realize that some people would like to preserve their privacy to at least some degree.



Ah, no. You can't track me when I ride my bicycle, you can't track me when I drive my car, so why would I allow you to track me when I fly my plane? I don't accept that cookie either!

If I am willing to be tracked, I'll turn on my SPOT, my transponder, file a flight plan, and tell people where I'm going - sometimes, I won't!
and when you go missing, no-one will have a clue where you are. the above case in point.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 16:59
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Originally Posted by Luc Lion View Post
A French newspaper, Ouest-France, claims to have had access to the flight plan and that is was a VFR flight plan.
https://www.ouest-france.fr/sport/fo...on-vol-6198438
Hence the 5000 ft cruise altitude.
Appaling
Is night VFR permitted in France now?
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 17:16
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Originally Posted by Downwind Lander View Post
Does anyone know what happened to Tomnod, the people who acquired satellite images and asked the community to examine them for tell tale signs of anything useful? (No sign at tomnod.com)
I'm just preparing a note from the Tomnod forum...

There is and has been interest in this incident, but not surprisingly no requests for the service...
Several people have come onto the forum and suggested something be done and they have been directed to the
appropriate channels... but there are limits to the possibilities...

I'm going to bring a posting over with permission from that site moderator...

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Post by the Tomnod Forum Moderator. 2019/01/26 14/29
(Reposted here with their permission.)
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Imaging costs are pretty expensive, plus it requires a re-tasking of where to image.
The way things have been explained before, satellites continuously image in long strips and send those when it “phones home”. These are pre-set routes over areas, or per paid customers’ needs.
HOWEVER, remember last year when Melissa (Staff) told us that the satellites typically do NOT do pre-set routes over bodies of water, because water is NOT what customers usually want.
So, sometimes, like Hurricane Maria, Tomnod must REQUEST a re-tasking and they get it in during short pauses in other tasking. This request has a cost, which DG must absorb (now Maxar). Then, they still must process the strips, stitch them together and make them as if bent around a globe shape, and cut out most of the excess water scenes, etc-- all of which costs money for Staff to do, They also must make sure they have pre images in the archives (or the campaign could be useless for Nodders).
All of these tidbits go into their review of requests, plus what ground / water / air authorities say about the viability of a campaign— plus their own knowledge of what works. With no intention of being mean, I repeat that the chances of finding a private plane that crashed over // into water (even a small area) where local authorities have called off SAR, is so slim.
It’s sad, like when the sub went missing. It’s tough to try to explain why DG might not be able to do what we want, even though everyone feels the pain of friends, family, loved ones.
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Check out the Platform. Come join us in the Forum!
Platform: www dot tomnod dot com
Forum: forum dot tomnod dot com
Forum topic: forum dot tomnod dot com/t/plane-crash-soccer-player-emiliano-sala/5907

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That is what the situation is... Timing is a lot of the problem... and we can't see underwater or through heavy clouds
I think a lot of that has been done and done well in the first part of the field search.
there are more comments in the forums there... in that 5907 thread above.
I see that I'm not allowed active links yet... OK... Just use cut and paste it seems... works. correct for the dots. old school.
Several of us are watching here... a few feel that they are not likely to sign in... I told them it wasn't a closed board, for pilots,
I got to do it because I used to be... eyes degraded so no more PIC.... Also long time SAR so I have a bit of insight into things... I will be back.
Will look for visitors over there... last two of my user name will hint at who I am there... ha.
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